Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

[DonGlock26]

"Does God exist? Modern science shows he must, bestseller argues



A book by two French authors that challenges a longstanding academic consensus is being published in Britain next week


In a striking challenge to the academic consensus, two French authors, Michel-Yves Bolloré and Olivier Bonnassies, argue that the latest scientific theories lead to only one logical conclusion: an all-powerful deity created the universe and all life within it.


The materialist narrative for the beginnings of the universe and life on earth is so full of holes, he and Bonnassies argue, that every modern scientific advance increases the strength of the case that a “creator” is the only rational explanation."

Does God exist? Modern science shows he must, bestseller argues

A book by two French authors that challenges a longstanding academic consensus is being published in Britain next week

www.thetimes.com

This is an interesting article about a new book. The authors are not the only people seeing evidnce in a creator in the Big Bang and DNA and the complexity of cellular bio-machines.
Back in the 19th century, materialists had Darwin's theory of evolution and a static universe model to support their beliefs.
But today, we have an expanding universe coming from a singularity and DNA storing complex data which points to a creator.

 

[Dante]

“If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”​

You appear a bit confused here. This gets addressed often and there are lots of Youtube videos on this that you could view in order to educate yourself on the issue.​

 

[pknopp]

Both arguments are full of holes and unanswered questions.

 

[Dante]

So if time has not always existed?

 

[Dante]

But today, we have an expanding universe coming from a singularity and DNA storing complex data which points to a creator.

Nonsense. Calling nonsense.

 

[DonGlock26]

You appear a bit confused here. This gets addressed often and there are lots of Youtube videos on this that you could view in order to educate yourself on the issue.​

Give me your summary.

 

[DonGlock26]

Both arguments are full of holes and unanswered questions.

Explain.

 

[DonGlock26]

So if time has not always existed?

Go on. Please finish your thought.

 

[DonGlock26]

Nonsense. Calling nonsense.

What is nonsense? The expansion of the universe or DNA?

 

[Dante]

Give me your summary.

I've already told you that there are lots of Youtube videos on this that you could view in order to educate yourself on the issue.

Unlike many loons here, Dante does not pretend to possess a more profound understanding of things that experts in any given field posses. Of course there exist a few examples that prove a rule, but...

 

[Dante]

Go on. Please finish your thought.

Worm holes, black holes, quantum physics?

Science. Theories put forth

 

[pknopp]

Explain.

Explain what? Neither can be outright proven.

 

[Dante]

What is nonsense? The expansion of the universe or DNA?

People ask "Is The Universe Infinite?"



Brian Cox:

So we say the universe began 13.8 billion years ago but actually all we know really was the universe was very hot and very dense at that time

and we have some theories that the universe was in existence before that and perhaps some sort of circumstantial evidence and that means that actually the universe could have always been there eternal when i talk to people sometimes they get a bit some people get upset about that some people would rather it had a beginning the idea that it might have been around forever is more frightening

somehow than the fact that it began now it's interesting the way that people's minds work

 

[DonGlock26]

I've already told you that there are lots of Youtube videos on this that you could view in order to educate yourself on the issue.

Unlike many loons here, Dante does not pretend to possess a more profound understanding of things that experts in any given field posses. Of course there exist a few examples that prove a rule, but...

So nothing. Okay.

 

[DonGlock26]

Worm holes, black holes, quantum physics?

Science. Theories put forth

What is your list supposed to mean?

 

[DonGlock26]

People ask "Is The Universe Infinite?"



Brian Cox:

So we say the universe began 13.8 billion years ago but actually all we know really was the universe was very hot and very dense at that time

and we have some theories that the universe was in existence before that and perhaps some sort of circumstantial evidence and that means that actually the universe could have always been there eternal when i talk to people sometimes they get a bit some people get upset about that some people would rather it had a beginning the idea that it might have been around forever is more frightening

somehow than the fact that it began now it's interesting the way that people's minds work

So they have theories. The Big Bang is one of them.

 

[Dante]

So nothing. Okay.

Just science

 

[DonGlock26]

Just science

The Big Bang and DNA are science.

 

[toobfreak]

"Does God exist? Modern science shows he must, bestseller argues

Well, as a scientist who started out in life an atheist until I had God proven to and shown to me, and since I understand the linked article doesn't really offer their proof (have to buy the book), let me say this in a way easy to follow:

1. Nothing in the universe is eternal. Even light suffers entropy.
2. Anything that has an ending had a beginning.
3. If everything in the universe has an ending, then the universe had to have a beginning.
4. Nothing exists without a cause. Something caused everything in the universe that exists, to be there.
5. The universe is full of mind, consciousness and intelligence, as proven by mankind.
6. There is no known process whereby consciousness comes from unconsciousness, and intelligence comes from mindlessness, therefore, all finite qualities in the universe (including mind, consciousness and intelligence) had to have been caused/created/begun by some unlimited fount for these qualities.
7. The cause of anything is deemed to have created it. Since the universe was created, it too had to have some cause. Since the universe is intelligent, then the supreme cause of the universe must have been supremely intelligent too.
8. Take away the mind, the consciousness, the wisdom, and the cause of the universe could be some inert action--- a hiccup in the branes between two different dimensions--- but when you add in the MIND, you now have a mindful creator with a purpose--- ie: God.

• The cause of the universe is God.
• God must be a supreme personality with an unlimited mind since he has given a very finite piece of his personality and consciousness to us.

 

[Dante]

So they have theories. The Big Bang is one of them.

Are you even capable of what a scientific theory is and isn't?

How to explain scientific theory to a child?

A scientific theory explains something that's been noticed in nature. Scientists make observations that lead to a hypothesis about what is causing the observed behavior. Then they do many experiments, or tests, to see if their theory is correct.

A search engine could be your best friend:

A scientific theory is a well-supported explanation for a natural phenomenon, formed from a broad body of evidence, repeated testing, and consistent observation. Unlike a guess or hypothesis, a theory provides a framework for understanding a wide range of facts, laws, and observations, making reliable predictions about the natural world. Theories are dynamic and can be modified or replaced as new evidence emerges.