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If the U.N grants any kind of member status to the palestinians they say to the world that they recognize them as a viable state with a ruleing body. Thus if this happens the verry next time a rocket, bullet,or bomber comes out of Gaza or the west bank the Israelis should consider it an act of war and declare war on the palestinians. And pound them back to the stone age and claim all lands as spoils of war. Without interference from the U.N or anyother world entity. As for any palestinians left after the battle? Let Turkey send another floatila this time to take their muslim brothers back home with them.
 

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If the U.N grants any kind of member status to the palestinians they say to the world that they recognize them as a viable state with a ruleing body. Thus if this happens the verry next time a rocket, bullet,or bomber comes out of Gaza or the west bank the Israelis should consider it an act of war and declare war on the palestinians. And pound them back to the stone age and claim all lands as spoils of war. Without interference from the U.N or anyother world entity. As for any palestinians left after the battle? Let Turkey send another floatila this time to take their muslim brothers back home with them.

Why wait ?
 

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Obama has correctly tried to convince the Palestinians not to ask this, and if they do, he has correctly ordered his people to veto it in the UN. Perry's navite on this issue has been mind boggling.
 

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If the U.N grants any kind of member status to the palestinians they say to the world that they recognize them as a viable state with a ruleing body. Thus if this happens the verry next time a rocket, bullet,or bomber comes out of Gaza or the west bank the Israelis should consider it an act of war and declare war on the palestinians. And pound them back to the stone age and claim all lands as spoils of war. Without interference from the U.N or anyother world entity. As for any palestinians left after the battle? Let Turkey send another floatila this time to take their muslim brothers back home with them.

No they would be justified as long as Israel continues to occupy Palestinian territory.
 

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Why doesn't Palestine just issue a proclamation of statehood like Israel did ?
 

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If the U.N grants any kind of member status to the palestinians they say to the world that they recognize them as a viable state with a ruleing body. Thus if this happens the verry next time a rocket, bullet,or bomber comes out of Gaza or the west bank the Israelis should consider it an act of war and declare war on the palestinians. And pound them back to the stone age and claim all lands as spoils of war. Without interference from the U.N or anyother world entity. As for any palestinians left after the battle? Let Turkey send another floatila this time to take their muslim brothers back home with them.
They could use Zyklon B, But thats only good for delousing, How about Sarin?
In 1998 it was publicly revealed that 190 liters of dimethyl methylphosphonate, a CWC schedule 2 chemical which, among many other uses, can be used for the synthesis of Sarin nerve gas,
El Al Flight 1862 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dimethyl methylphosphonate
http://eoars.avrnlive.com/welcome-t...light-was-and-is-similar-to-911-in-many-ways/
 
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Why doesn't Palestine just issue a proclamation of statehood like Israel did ?

They did and they are recognized by 127 countries, but not the UN. They are not seeking statehood. They are seeking recognition.
 

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The existence of two states has been in the planning stage since before the 48 war.

Apparently neither group of hardons is prepared to give us what must be given up for that to happen.
 

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If the U.N grants member status to palestinians.
That freedom hater obama will veto their bid.
 

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The existence of two states has been in the planning stage since before the 48 war.

Apparently neither group of hardons is prepared to give us what must be given up for that to happen.

The two state solution has been on the table since 1937 and they are farther away from that solution than they were then.

The problem is that the Palestinians would have to give most of their country to Israel.

And people wonder why, after more than 70 years, it has not happened.
 

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The existence of two states has been in the planning stage since before the 48 war.

Apparently neither group of hardons is prepared to give us what must be given up for that to happen.

The two state solution has been on the table since 1937 and they are farther away from that solution than they were then.

The problem is that the Palestinians would have to give most of their country to Israel.

And people wonder why, after more than 70 years, it has not happened.

Cambridge University Press
In Ottoman times, no political entity called Palestine existed. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the First World War, European boundary makers began to take greater interest in defining territorial limits for Palestine. Only since the 1920s has Palestine had formally delimited boundaries, though these have remained subject to repeated change and a source of bitter dispute.
Palestine Boundaries 1833–1947 - Cambridge Archive Editions

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...
The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1948]

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews
The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel...
PBS - Heritage

University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia
Visitors will get a rare look at one of the most important geographic regions in the ancient Near East beginning January 29 with the opening of "Empires in the Fertile Crescent: Ancient Assyria, Anatolia and Israel," the newest galleries at the Museum of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.

The galleries showcase artifacts that illustrate the power of these ancient civilizations, including sculptural representations of tributes demanded by kings of ancient Assyria, and some sources of continual fascination, such as a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls--one of the few examples in the United States.

"Visitors begin in Assyria, move across Anatolia and down the Mediterranean coast to the land of ancient Israel. The galleries also trace the conquests of the Assyrian empire across the Middle East and follow their trail to Israel."

The Israelites, who emerged as the dominant people of that region in about 975 B.C. are documented by many objects of daily life, a large stamp engraved with a biblical text and an ossuary (box for bones) inscribed in Hebrew.
Probably the most spectacular portion of the Megiddo gallery, however, is the Megiddo ivories. These exquisitely carved pieces of elephant tusks were inlays in furniture, and a particularly large piece was made into a game board.


Oriental Institute | Museum

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel
In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth. In the end, however, Israel was no match for expansionist Assyria. Samaria, the Israelite capital, fell to the Assyrians in 722 B.C.E.

The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel
The first major North American exhibition dedicated to the archaeology of ancient Israel and neighboring lands, "Canaan and Ancient Israel" features more than 350 rare artifacts from about 3,000 to 586 B.C.E., excavated by University of Pennsylvania Museum archaeologists in Israel,
Artcom Museums Tour: University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, Philadelphia PA

Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt
This Article provides an overview of the land regimes that the peoples of Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Israel created by law and custom between 3000 B.C. and 500 B.C

A look at land regimes in the earliest periods of human history can illuminate debate over the extent to which human institutions can be expected to vary from time to time and place to place.
"Ancient Land Law: Mesopotamia, Egypt, Israel" by Robert C. Ellickson and Charles DiA. Thorland

Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel
In this groundbreaking new book, distinguished biblical scholar James L. Crenshaw investigates both the pragmatic hows and the philosophical whys of education in ancient Israel and its surroundings. Asking questions as basic as "Who were the teachers and students and from what segment of Israelite society did they come?" and "How did instructors interest young people in the things they had to say?" Crenshaw explores the institutions and practices of education in ancient Israel. The results are often surprising and more complicated than one would expect.

Education in Ancient Israel - Crenshaw, James L - Yale University Press

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

PBS Nova...
In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.
 
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If the U.N grants member status to palestinians. That hebrew mullah Barry Obamawicz will veto the pals bid.

I'm embarrassed to be an American sometimes.
 

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Susan M. Michael
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International Christian Embassy Jerusalem

America’s Best Friend
We support Israel because we are Americans and we believe all Americans should support Israel. Israel is a democracy, and the only democracy in a region of totalitarian and repressive governments. Israel is a strong and loyal ally of the USA in a region where the word “ally” is a relative term. In America’s war against terrorism and in her stance for freedom from tyranny, she will never have a stronger more vital ally than Israel.
Israel may need America’s support, but we know America needs Israel.

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: Why We Support Israel
 

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Sorry again doucher, you're wrong, the US has way more muzzy allies than they do the lone izzy one. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Jordan... are all US allies in the region. Christians support izzyrael because they need armageddon in the Middle East so that jesus can come back. Now you know.
 

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Sorry again doucher, you're wrong, the US has way more muzzy allies than they do the lone izzy one. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Jordan... are all US allies in the region. Christians support izzyrael because they need armageddon in the Middle East so that jesus can come back. Now you know.

Buh bye :clap2:
 

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Why doesn't Palestine just issue a proclamation of statehood like Israel did ?

They did and they are recognized by 127 countries, but not the UN. They are not seeking statehood. They are seeking recognition.

And that really is all Israel wants...they've already said if the palestinians will honestly state that Israel deserves to be recognized as a state, they will talk borders. Hamas won't recognize Israel for anything, so why should Israel give in to them on anything?? Every country around Israel has said they need to be wiped off the map...what's keeping them from doing it?
 

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Why doesn't Palestine just issue a proclamation of statehood like Israel did ?

They did and they are recognized by 127 countries, but not the UN. They are not seeking statehood. They are seeking recognition.

And that really is all Israel wants...they've already said if the palestinians will honestly state that Israel deserves to be recognized as a state, they will talk borders. Hamas won't recognize Israel for anything, so why should Israel give in to them on anything?? Every country around Israel has said they need to be wiped off the map...what's keeping them from doing it?

Palestine has had borders since 1922. Israel has none. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders. The talk about borders for a Palestinian state is to change Palestine's borders to make room for Israel.
 

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They did and they are recognized by 127 countries, but not the UN. They are not seeking statehood. They are seeking recognition.

And that really is all Israel wants...they've already said if the palestinians will honestly state that Israel deserves to be recognized as a state, they will talk borders. Hamas won't recognize Israel for anything, so why should Israel give in to them on anything?? Every country around Israel has said they need to be wiped off the map...what's keeping them from doing it?

Palestine has had borders since 1922. Israel has none. Israel sits inside Palestine's borders. The talk about borders for a Palestinian state is to change Palestine's borders to make room for Israel.

Cambridge University Press
In Ottoman times, no political entity called Palestine existed. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the First World War, European boundary makers began to take greater interest in defining territorial limits for Palestine. Only since the 1920s has Palestine had formally delimited boundaries, though these have remained subject to repeated change and a source of bitter dispute.
Palestine Boundaries 1833–1947 - Cambridge Archive Editions


Eminent Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...
The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the British Mandate.and Israeli statehood in 1948

Can you find "Palestine" on this UN map? http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf
:lol:

Bernard Lewis...
The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1948]

American Library Association
For more than four decades, Bernard Lewis has been one of the most respected scholars and prolific writers on the history and politics of the Middle East. In this compilation of more than 50 journal articles and essays, he displays the full range of his eloquence, knowledge, and insight regarding this pivotal and volatile region."
Oxford University Press: Faith and Power:

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews
The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel...
PBS - Heritage

University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia
Visitors will get a rare look at one of the most important geographic regions in the ancient Near East beginning January 29 with the opening of "Empires in the Fertile Crescent: Ancient Assyria, Anatolia and Israel," the newest galleries at the Museum of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.

The galleries showcase artifacts that illustrate the power of these ancient civilizations, including sculptural representations of tributes demanded by kings of ancient Assyria, and some sources of continual fascination, such as a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls--one of the few examples in the United States.

"Visitors begin in Assyria, move across Anatolia and down the Mediterranean coast to the land of ancient Israel. The galleries also trace the conquests of the Assyrian empire across the Middle East and follow their trail to Israel."

The Israelites, who emerged as the dominant people of that region in about 975 B.C. are documented by many objects of daily life, a large stamp engraved with a biblical text and an ossuary (box for bones) inscribed in Hebrew.
Probably the most spectacular portion of the Megiddo gallery, however, is the Megiddo ivories. These exquisitely carved pieces of elephant tusks were inlays in furniture, and a particularly large piece was made into a game board.


Oriental Institute | Museum

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel
In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth. In the end, however, Israel was no match for expansionist Assyria. Samaria, the Israelite capital, fell to the Assyrians in 722 B.C.E.

The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel
The first major North American exhibition dedicated to the archaeology of ancient Israel and neighboring lands, "Canaan and Ancient Israel" features more than 350 rare artifacts from about 3,000 to 586 B.C.E., excavated by University of Pennsylvania Museum archaeologists in Israel,
Artcom Museums Tour: University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, Philadelphia PA

Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt
This Article provides an overview of the land regimes that the peoples of Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Israel created by law and custom between 3000 B.C. and 500 B.C

A look at land regimes in the earliest periods of human history can illuminate debate over the extent to which human institutions can be expected to vary from time to time and place to place.
"Ancient Land Law: Mesopotamia, Egypt, Israel" by Robert C. Ellickson and Charles DiA. Thorland

Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel
In this groundbreaking new book, distinguished biblical scholar James L. Crenshaw investigates both the pragmatic hows and the philosophical whys of education in ancient Israel and its surroundings. Asking questions as basic as "Who were the teachers and students and from what segment of Israelite society did they come?" and "How did instructors interest young people in the things they had to say?" Crenshaw explores the institutions and practices of education in ancient Israel. The results are often surprising and more complicated than one would expect.

Education in Ancient Israel - Crenshaw, James L - Yale University Press

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

PBS Nova...
In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Obama has correctly tried to convince the Palestinians not to ask this, and if they do, he has correctly ordered his people to veto it in the UN. Perry's navite on this issue has been mind boggling.

correctly? You mean Obama is correct to show American Hypocrisy.

Take your lies elsewhere, Truthseeker. Obama is correct on this and you are not. End of story.
 

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