If States Decide to Secede From The Country, Which Side Secedes?

[TNHarley]

Go ask the Supreme Court.

Exactly. They just made that shit up.

 

[Unkotare]

Exactly. They just made that shit up.

Who did?

 

[struth]

Do you know better than Supreme Court judges?

To settle the matter once and for all, the 14th amendment made secession explicitly unconstitutional.

So, yes, there is something in the constitution which will not allow for any more secessions.

You're welcome.

Yes, the Court ruled on this soon after the Dems Civil War for their slaves

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)

Texas v. White: States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation.

supreme.justia.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'm a weirdo...

I believe that a State can secede.

Problem is they can't do it unilaterally, they would need to concurrence of the other States through Congress.

Then you fall into defining:

• Return of mobile federal property (Including DOD assets)
• Transfer of fixed asset federal property to the new country
• Loss of US citizenship as people gain citizenship in the new country
• The new country establishing their own currency
• The assumption of a proportional amount of the Federal debt they will take with them
• The need to establish trade relationships with the US and other foreign countries

While it could be done, it would be messy and the people really need to think about it. Think of how BREXIT impacted the UK, now multiply that by many factors.

WW

 

[struth]

I'm a weirdo...

I believe that a State can secede.

Problem is they can't do it unilaterally, they would need to concurrence of the other States through Congress.

Then you fall into defining:

• Return of mobile federal property (Including DOD assets)
• Transfer of fixed asset federal property to the new country
• Loss of US citizenship as people gain citizenship in the new country
• The new country establishing their own currency
• The assumption of a proportional amount of the Federal debt they will take with them
• The need to establish trade relationships with the US and other foreign countries

While it could be done, it would be messy and the people really need to think about it. Think of how BREXIT impacted the UK, now multiply that by many factors.

WW

I agree with you here. A state can leave the Union, but only with the consent of the Union.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

It's pretty obvious with what the Govt of Cali is doing now that the blue states will attempt to....again.

They do not respect or agree with a Democratic-Republic system.

Says the MAGA traitor that applauds Jan 6.

Hence, you have no credibility to speak on such matters.

 

[TNHarley]

Do you know better than Supreme Court judges?

To settle the matter once and for all, the 14th amendment made secession explicitly unconstitutional.

So, yes, there is something in the constitution which will not allow for any more secessions.

You're welcome.

Well, I can fucking read.
No, it doesnt.

 

[Contumacious]

The red states need the blue states because they leech off the blue states' federal revenues.

Newsom asks for federal funding ahead of President-elect Trump’s inauguration​

Newsom asks for federal funding ahead of President-elect Trump’s inauguration

The Governor spent the first half of the week in Washington, D.C. to meet with the Biden Administration and the California Congressional Delegation over outstanding funds and pending approvals.

www.capradio.org

 

[Unkotare]

Well, I can fucking read.
No, it doesnt.

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)​

Argued:February 5, 1869
Argued:February 8, 1869
Argued:February 9, 1869
Decided:April 12, 1869
Annotation
Primary Holding
States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation.

 

[Billiejeens]

Democrats don't want to secede. That would mean giving up their control of other people.

There are plenty of low level Democrats for the leaders in their Cult to control.

No resistance
That would be their dream goal.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

I remember when Biden was president there was talk about some red states possibly wanting to secede from the country. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot and democrats hate the Trump presidency so much and so badly it makes me wonder if blue states would consider seceding from the country. So, this thread assumes that at some point in the future, at least one state, if not more, will have finally hit their limit and want to secede. So, which side will hit the breaking point first, red or blue?

Also, Republicans, while not 100% in lockstep with each other, seem to have their party more together than the democrat infighting, who only have a 25% approval rating and Progressives fighting everyone else for control of the party. If Progressives break off from the party, dooming the left permanently, does that mean it's more likely that blue states would secede first? Dust off your crystal balls and report here what they are telling you.

California is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. CA pays by far the most taxes to the U.S. Treasury.

The U.S. is no longer the most powerful country in the world if CA leaves the Union.

 

[g5000]

Well, I can fucking read.
No, it doesnt.

You might be able to read, but you can't comprehend.

I'll make it simple for you.

You are a citizen of the United States.

The 14th amendment says no state can take that away from you, including your state.

By seceding, your state would be taking your US citizenship away from you. Therefore, unconstitutional.

You're welcome.

 

[Unkotare]

"the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States. On the contrary, it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States and the maintenance of their governments are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States."

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)

Texas v. White: States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation.

supreme.justia.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

I agree with you here. A state can leave the Union, but only with the consent of the Union.

OK, I had to check to see if hell just froze over.



WW

 

[Zincwarrior]

Texas v. White

If they do, maybe our fascist govt will let them this time. There is NOTHING in the constitution that gives the fed gov the authority to stop them.

 

[Unkotare]

"Authority to suppress rebellion is found in the power to suppress insurrection and carry on war, and authority to provide for the restoration of State governments, under the Constitution, when subverted and overthrown, is derived from the obligation of the United States to guarantee to every State in the Union a republican form of government. "

 

[HikerGuy83]

They aren't, so it's a moot point.

Oh, if CA decided to go, I'd be on board......They don't get to keep the central valley. But they can have the dumps of LA and SF

 

[candycorn]

The huge ghettos in the cities are self-sufficient then.

Most red states are state-wide ghettoes and they are far from self-sufficent. Let that be a lesson to you junior.

 

[struth]

Says the MAGA traitor that applauds Jan 6.

Hence, you have no credibility to speak on such matters.

Not sure where you are getting your first point, making things up again?

 

[g5000]

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There sure were a lot of Confederate battle flags being flown by Trump's insurrectionists at the Capitol.

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