If someone has advice on how to break through to trump fans I'm all ears.

[sealybobo]

O'm not Joe Rogan. Go talk to him.

Exactly. You're no Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Rand Paul, etc. You're too loyal. You're more like Goebbels, Goring or Hess

 

[sealybobo]

If Clinton had a surplus why did debt go up every year under him?

To ask that means you don't know the difference between debt and deficit. Budget surplus. Look it up. And it was projected. Assuming no idiot lies/gets us into 2 wars and gives rich people tax breaks.

Do you understand that stupid? Clinton didn't forsee those 2 wars Bush would get us into. How much did that hurt the DEBT? And how much did tax breaks he gave to the rich add to the debt? You see? You are really ******* stupid. Or rich. I mean super rich because my brother is rich and even he voted for Obama after 4 years of that clown.

 

[Nostra]

Prove the 2020 election was stolen.

Quote me saying it was stolen sealybobo

Bring a quote or you have admitted you are a lying sack of vermin shit.

GO!

 

[Nostra]

To ask that means you don't know the difference between debt and deficit. Budget surplus. Look it up. And it was projected. Assuming no idiot lies/gets us into 2 wars and gives rich people tax breaks.

Do you understand that stupid? Clinton didn't forsee those 2 wars Bush would get us into. How much did that hurt the DEBT? And how much did tax breaks he gave to the rich add to the debt? You see? You are really ******* stupid. Or rich. I mean super rich because my brother is rich and even he voted for Obama after 4 years of that clown.

So there was no surplus.

Got it.

I know the difference between debt and deficit, Simp. Our yearly deficits created the debt, so common sense dictates that a surplus would lower the debt. It went up every year Clinton was in office. Which, by the way, was years before any war the guy after him got us into.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Here's some advice for Stalinberg:
Try SELF IMMOLATION

 

[sealybobo]

So there was no surplus.

Got it.

I know the difference between debt and deficit, Simp. Our yearly deficits created the debt, so common sense dictates that a surplus would lower the debt. It went up every year Clinton was in office. Which, by the way, was years before any war the guy after him got us into.

There would have been if Bush didn't squander it.

It's like you starting to pay off your credit cards and you have a plan. In 5 years you will be debt free. At least you are working towards being debt free. Assuming your roof doesn't collapse or you lose your job and come down with a sickness that bankrupts you. Then one day your wife buys a Corvette

Remember what Bush said. He said that surplus was the people's money so he was returning it. How irresponsible of him huh? He did a lot of shit like that. Remember right before the banking collapse that stupid son of a ***** deregulated the banks to allow them to loan out the money they were supposed to keep on hand in case of an emergency? Of course you don't. And remember he wanted to give Wall Street the money no questions asked and Obama stepped in and said hold on a ******* minute here.

 

[Nostra]

There would have been if Bush didn't squander it.

It's like you starting to pay off your credit cards and you have a plan. In 5 years you will be debt free. At least you are working towards being debt free. Assuming your roof doesn't collapse or you lose your job and come down with a sickness that bankrupts you. Then one day your wife buys a Corvette

Remember what Bush said. He said that surplus was the people's money so he was returning it. How irresponsible of him huh? He did a lot of shit like that. Remember right before the banking collapse that stupid son of a ***** deregulated the banks to allow them to loan out the money they were supposed to keep on hand in case of an emergency? Of course you don't. And remember he wanted to give Wall Street the money no questions asked and Obama stepped in and said hold on a ******* minute here.

So you admit there was no surplus.

 

[sealybobo]

So you admit there was no surplus.

Let's put it this way. If Trump did what Bill Clinton did, you'd see more clearly.

In fact, I believe you guys have suggested Trump's tariffs are going to achieve what Bill Clinton achieved.

In recent speeches and media scrums, President Donald Trump has lauded the federal budget surplus for the month of June

Furthermore, while Trump has attributed the surplus in June to “good management and tariffs,” the latter of which have produced record revenue, the Congressional Budget Office said there would have been a budget deficit last month if the government had not made billions of dollars in payments in May that are usually paid in June.

Also, as of June, the U.S. still had an overall budget deficit of more than $1.3 trillion through the first nine months of fiscal year 2025, according to Treasury Department data. That’s about $64 billion more than the deficit during the same period in fiscal year 2024.

I repeat the CBO said there was another major reason that there was a June surplus instead of a deficit: the shifting of certain federal expenditures from June to May.

“If not for those [timing] shifts, the government would have recorded a deficit of $71 billion in June 2025,” the CBO said, emphasizing the word deficit.

US budget deficit has widened by $109B from a year ago despite influx of tariff revenue​

Federal deficit reaches $1.6T in first 10 months despite 112% jump in customs duties​

US budget deficit has widened by $109B from a year ago despite influx of tariff revenue

The federal budget deficit increased by $109 billion in first 10 months of fiscal year 2025 despite a $70 billion boost from the Trump administration's tariffs on imported goods.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[sealybobo]

Again, you fail to respond rationally to what I posted, you word vomit. As far as the 1st and 2nd amendment you again, you know nothing what I think, just word vomit your hate and bigotry against those that disagree with you. Thanks, you keep proving my point.

Look at the Trump administration pressuring the USTA. Not very pro first amendment huh? Reminds me of when Biden "pressured" facebook to censor fake news.

Censoring boos? So this administration will put pressure on any news media or network that reports negative news about this President?

The crowd response came after the U.S. Tennis Association faced accusations of censorship after reportedly directing broadcasters to “refrain from showcasing any reactions to the president’s attendance in any capacity.”

ABC and ESPN, however, were among those that continued to air the jeers and heckling that occurred, refusing to bow to requests to filter dissent.

Oh no. I wonder what Trump is going to do to ABC or ESPN for their right to free speech?

 

[Papageorgio]

Look at the Trump administration pressuring the USTA. Not very pro first amendment huh? Reminds me of when Biden "pressured" facebook to censor fake news.

Censoring boos? So this administration will put pressure on any news media or network that reports negative news about this President?

The crowd response came after the U.S. Tennis Association faced accusations of censorship after reportedly directing broadcasters to “refrain from showcasing any reactions to the president’s attendance in any capacity.”

ABC and ESPN, however, were among those that continued to air the jeers and heckling that occurred, refusing to bow to requests to filter dissent.

Oh no. I wonder what Trump is going to do to ABC or ESPN for their right to free speech?

Just as wrong as Biden, no debate here. Was what Biden did wrong?

 

[sealybobo]

Just as wrong as Biden, no debate here. Was what Biden did wrong?

To me it seems like Trump is taking it up to a whole new level. Ghestapo type shit. Holding up the sale of a major corporation if they don't give him millions of dollars and fire a host who is critical of him.

 

[Papageorgio]

To me it seems like Trump is taking it up to a whole new level. Ghestapo type shit. Holding up the sale of a major corporation if they don't give him millions of dollars and fire a host who is critical of him.

So you avoid the question, interesting.

 

[sealybobo]

So you avoid the question, interesting.

Well I guess there's probably never been a perfect president. Can you name one? If I find one attack on the 1st amendment, you'll say that gives Trump a pass to do everything he's doing?

What are you a member of the Constitutional Party or something? Libertarian? What party is perfect?

I guess I would put a little pressure on a company too if they were allowing Russian trolls to dumb endless amounts of misinformation. I'd ask him what the ****. I'd say you get government funding so I suggest you take the fake shit down as much as possible. Like, pretend it's a picture of a nude person. Ever notice you can't post a dick pick on facebook? Well they shouldn't allow misinformation either. Of someone turns it in and it's deemed fake news, it should be deleted. If it turns out to be a russian troll, delete their profile.

I don't know all the specifics. I imagine you were a die hard Democrat before Biden crossed this line and now you are strictly neutral. You just don't care if Trump burns the country down. Drives our enemies into each others arms. Nothing scary about North Korea, Russia, China, India and Iran all getting together.

And you won't blame Trump. You'll never admit we would have been better off with Kamala. Because you learn right my friend. All's I'm saying.

 

[Papageorgio]

Well I guess there's probably never been a perfect president. Can you name one? If I find one attack on the 1st amendment, you'll say that gives Trump a pass to do everything he's doing?

What are you a member of the Constitutional Party or something? Libertarian? What party is perfect?

I guess I would put a little pressure on a company too if they were allowing Russian trolls to dumb endless amounts of misinformation. I'd ask him what the ****. I'd say you get government funding so I suggest you take the fake shit down as much as possible. Like, pretend it's a picture of a nude person. Ever notice you can't post a dick pick on facebook? Well they shouldn't allow misinformation either. Of someone turns it in and it's deemed fake news, it should be deleted. If it turns out to be a russian troll, delete their profile.

I don't know all the specifics. I imagine you were a die hard Democrat before Biden crossed this line and now you are strictly neutral. You just don't care if Trump burns the country down. Drives our enemies into each others arms. Nothing scary about North Korea, Russia, China, India and Iran all getting together.

And you won't blame Trump. You'll never admit we would have been better off with Kamala. Because you learn right my friend. All's I'm saying.

That’s the difference between you and me, on the first amendment Trump should not have tried to pressure ABC to not show any negative about Trump. Biden should not have pressured social media to suppress opposition. You on the other hand believe Biden was correct in suppressing Americans 1st amendment rights.

 

[sealybobo]

That’s the difference between you and me, on the first amendment Trump should not have tried to pressure ABC to not show any negative about Trump. Biden should not have pressured social media to suppress opposition. You on the other hand believe Biden was correct in suppressing Americans 1st amendment rights.

Whether the Biden administration went against the First Amendment was the subject of the Supreme Court case Murthy v. Missouri, which the court dismissed in June 2024. The lawsuit alleged that federal officials violated the First Amendment by coercing social media companies to remove posts about COVID-19 and election fraud.
By dismissing the case on the technicality of standing, the court left open the question of what specific actions might cross the constitutional line between government encouragement and unlawful coercion of private companies.
Zuckaberg said Biden administration officials had pressured his company to censor certain COVID-19 content. He added that Meta would be more outspoken in pushing back against such demands in the future.

The Biden administration has argued that officials were attempting to mitigate the dangers of online misinformation, including false information about vaccines during the pandemic, by alerting social media companies to content that violated their own policies. They maintained that these were requests, not coercion.

• The Supreme Court has recognized certain categories of speech that receive less or no First Amendment protection, such as defamation, fraud, or speech inciting imminent lawless action.
• The debate highlights the complex challenges of balancing freedom of speech with concerns about the spread of misinformation and disinformation, particularly on social media platforms.

 

[Papageorgio]

Whether the Biden administration went against the First Amendment was the subject of the Supreme Court case Murthy v. Missouri, which the court dismissed in June 2024. The lawsuit alleged that federal officials violated the First Amendment by coercing social media companies to remove posts about COVID-19 and election fraud.
By dismissing the case on the technicality of standing, the court left open the question of what specific actions might cross the constitutional line between government encouragement and unlawful coercion of private companies.
Zuckaberg said Biden administration officials had pressured his company to censor certain COVID-19 content. He added that Meta would be more outspoken in pushing back against such demands in the future.

The Biden administration has argued that officials were attempting to mitigate the dangers of online misinformation, including false information about vaccines during the pandemic, by alerting social media companies to content that violated their own policies. They maintained that these were requests, not coercion.

• The Supreme Court has recognized certain categories of speech that receive less or no First Amendment protection, such as defamation, fraud, or speech inciting imminent lawless action.
• The debate highlights the complex challenges of balancing freedom of speech with concerns about the spread of misinformation and disinformation, particularly on social media platforms.

Like I said, I can tell you that what Trump did with trying to pressure ABC to ignore the negative towards him was wrong, Biden using his power to suppress social media was wrong but you will only say one side is wrong and not the other. The court doesn’t need to tell me they are wrong. That you can’t see they are the same is just pathetic and shows your bigotry.

 

[debbiedowner]

it was illegally implemented. Country never used mail in ballots. We had absentee ballots, completely different thing.

no mail in balloting used. Sorry. Absenteee only.

absentee. Not mail in. Different things.

Yea, they were just looked it up as many states had mail in long before 2016. I tried to copy and paste it but the year they were approved didn't show when transferred over.

 

[sealybobo]

That’s the difference between you and me, on the first amendment Trump should not have tried to pressure ABC to not show any negative about Trump. Biden should not have pressured social media to suppress opposition. You on the other hand believe Biden was correct in suppressing Americans 1st amendment rights.

I'm going to say this about you. You are like my dad. He always has an excuse. It may not be a good one. Like your 1st amendment argument against Biden, or Democrats in general. You sure are holding them up to a much higher standard than you do Republicans. You sure do seem real upset about this one incident between Biden and Facebook. You sure did JUMP at that reason not to vote for Democrats.

My dad says he stopped taking his pill because it made him drowsy. So I tell him to take them at night. You say you can't sleep at night. So if they pills make you drowsy, take them at night. But the bottle says take them in the morning. I say it doesn't matter. Take them at night. But then he says they cause side affects, then he insists on reading the side affects. At the end of the warning it says if experiencing any of these symptoms call your doctor. So I said did you call your doctor? Then why did you stop taking the pill? Because it was making me drousy. He's a ******* idiot too.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm going to say this about you. You are like my dad. He always has an excuse. It may not be a good one. Like your 1st amendment argument against Biden, or Democrats in general. You sure are holding them up to a much higher standard than you do Republicans. You sure do seem real upset about this one incident between Biden and Facebook. You sure did JUMP at that reason not to vote for Democrats.

My dad says he stopped taking his pill because it made him drowsy. So I tell him to take them at night. You say you can't sleep at night. So if they pills make you drowsy, take them at night. But the bottle says take them in the morning. I say it doesn't matter. Take them at night. But then he says they cause side affects, then he insists on reading the side affects. At the end of the warning it says if experiencing any of these symptoms call your doctor. So I said did you call your doctor? Then why did you stop taking the pill? Because it was making me drousy. He's a ******* idiot too.

I’m not making any ******* excuses, you are dumbshit! Both sides are wrong when they attack the 1st Amendment and you can’t even say it, you are the one making excuses, not me. Now you try to lie and twist.

What is the difference between Trump asking ABC to suppress boos in one broadcast and Biden asking social media to suppress any negative press against him? Tell me what the ******* difference is and why Trump is wrong and Biden was right.

Now remember “No ******* excuses”, like your dad.

 

[sealybobo]

I’m not making any ******* excuses, you are dumbshit! Both sides are wrong when they attack the 1st Amendment and you can’t even say it, you are the one making excuses, not me. Now you try to lie and twist.

What is the difference between Trump asking ABC to suppress boos in one broadcast and Biden asking social media to suppress any negative press against him? Tell me what the ******* difference is and why Trump is wrong and Biden was right.

Now remember “No ******* excuses”, like your dad.

We had a pandemic. And trolls were spreading fake news that was costing lives. You don't think the administration should have tried to get Facebook to stop? And what did Biden threaten them with? Zuckadickberg is a *****. He even said next time he would stand up to an administration that "pressured" him to do it again. Yea right. Did you see him kissing Trump's ass this weekend?

In the short time that US president Donald Trump has held power, his administration has weaponised the federal government to suppress speech and punish his adversaries. In what many experts have challenged as a violation of First Amendment rights, a cornerstone of US democracy, President Trump has threatened protestors, banned news outlets from covering White House events and used executive orders to sanction law firms who he believes attacked him unfairly in the past. Subsequent court cases will test America’s most fundamental checks and balances on executive power.

You don't think Trump is telling Elon and other CEO's what to say? At least Biden wasn't telling them to lie for him.

Like the moment when Zuckerberg, seated directly to Trump’ right, was asked by the president how much Meta would be spending in the U.S. over the next few years.

“Oh, gosh,” Zuckerberg began, hesitating. “I mean, I think it’s probably going to be something like, I don’t know, at least $600 billion through ’28 in the U.S., yeah.”

Moments later a hot mic caught Zuckerburg “Sorry, I wasn’t ready to do a — a big announcement. I wasn’t — I wasn’t sure what number you wanted.”

And with that, the veil had been lifted

You should be afraid of lies. Jobs numbers, election results, etc. Trump is pro free speech too. Pro lies.