If someone has advice on how to break through to trump fans I'm all ears.

[Papageorgio]

Yes, free to lie. BUT, if I see a website and it's harming society, I think I would try to do something about it. What I don't know. Maybe I would tax companies that spread lies. Nothing unconstitutional about that.

Didn't Biden allow X to be a place where racists can spew racism?

Spreading lies during a pandemic is dangerous to our society. So you're saying a company or person should be able to say anything even if it's harmful to our society/citizens?

Yes, BUT is right.

Again, you want to give your rights to the government, I am not willing to do that, because once they take away a tight they keep pushing. Look what happened after 911, we got the Patriot Act and those restrictions are still in effect and even expounded with the blessing of Democrats and Republicans.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

 

[jc456]

Exactly. You're no Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Rand Paul, etc. You're too loyal. You're more like Goebbels, Goring or Hess

I am loyal to know man. I am loyal to my maker. You're just a sheep or mockingbird. go sing your narrative to someone who fking follows you.

 

[jc456]

I suggested no such thing, I am saying there is a danger of letting government decide what a lie is.

It is not our government's role to determine truths.

 

[jc456]

It is not our government's role to determine truths.

BTW, neither is it of the media.

 

[whitehall]

Where the hell were you when all we could get out of Biden was a silly grin and one word answers while he was patting some woman on the ass? Lefties and their minions in the media kept telling us that Biden was at the top of his game when he was nothing but a stooge for a phantom government who used the auto-pen. They couldn't get Biden to sit for a press conference for more than ten minutes in four years and Trump does a dozen of them every month. What more do you want from the majority of Americans who happen to be his "fans"?

 

[jc456]

Where the hell were you when all we could get out of Biden was a silly grin and one word answers while he was patting some woman on the ass? Lefties and their minions in the media kept telling us that Biden was at the top of his game when he was nothing but a stooge for a phantom government who used the auto-pen. They couldn't get Biden to sit for a press conference for more than ten minutes in four years and Trump does a dozen of them every month. What more do you want from the majority of Americans who happen to be his "fans"?

instead, someone had a hand up his ass and working his lips.

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton borrowed from one arm of the government to pay the other arm of government. The alleged 'surplus' was a metric, it was never real. Hence the increase in the debt.

You seem to know all the details when it's a Democrat but don't care about those same details when it's a Republican. Why is that?

The surplus was regarding the deficit not the debt. But you don't know the difference now do you?

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton borrowed from one arm of the government to pay the other arm of government. The alleged 'surplus' was a metric, it was never real. Hence the increase in the debt.

For example you guys love to point out that Clinton rode the dot.com bubble but you don't care that Trump's doing that right now with the tech bubble we are currently in. Hmmm?

 

[sealybobo]

I had the same things in opposite. A former manger used to trash talk Trump in meetings. As the sole Trump voter there i would hold my tongue as no good would come speaking up.

Not sure why you think/hope she will work it out in her own head and come to the obvious conclusion that she voted for the wrong person. Why do you care who she votes for? I don't care who that manger prefers. We got along very well as long as the topic wasn't politics.

Oh yeah I forgot. Orange Man Bad. Resist We Much.

Why do I care who people vote for? Because every time a Republican is in the White House, the middle class gets screwed. Been happening since Reagan.

U.S. economy is worse than thought with 1.2 million fewer jobs​

Time to lower interest rates to compensate for what Trump has done.

Job growth revised down by 911,000 through March, signaling economy on shakier footing than realized​

Important inflation reports this week expected to show prices still on the rise​

• The New York Fed’s monthly Survey of Consumer Expectations indicated a 44.9% probability of finding another job after losing their current one, the lowest in the survey’s history.
• Expectations that the unemployment rate will be higher a year from now rose to 39.1%, up 1.7 percentage points from July.

Payroll only rose 22,000 in August. Horrible

None of this would be happening if it weren't for the bad orange man. Have you seen the bad orange man has driven North Korea, India, Iran, China and Russia all into an alliance? ****, even Japan is buying from China rather than from Trump. **** Trump they say. Europe, Canada, Mexico too.

How can you ask such a dumb ******* question?

How can you vote for someone who's in the Epstein file?

 

[jc456]

For example you guys love to point out that Clinton rode the dot.com bubble

he did. I'm proud of him for doing so.

but you don't care that Trump's doing that right now with the tech bubble we are currently in. Hmmm?

What is that bubble exactly? Apples to oranges as always with a demofk.

 

[sealybobo]

he did. I'm proud of him for doing so.

What is that bubble exactly? Apples to oranges as always with a demofk.

In other words what Republicans are trying to say is that like Clinton, Trump is just lucky he's riding the tech boom. Like they claimed Clinton rode the dot.com boom.

You Republicans love to point out the slight differences and ignore the similarities.

I posted like 5 headlines saying Trump's economy sucks. Jobs, consumer confidence, inflation, cost of living. It's all bad news.

You want an example of the tech bubble Trump's riding?

Oracle stock booms 40%, on pace for best day since 1992​

Great news for rich people you elitist. What about people who can't pay for groceries or rent? You hear Trump is going to call a housing emergency? Things are getting worse.

U.S. economy is worse than thought with 1.2 million fewer jobs​

Shouldn't there be more jobs? When are they moving back to America dumb ass?

 

[Eman623]

Why do I care who people vote for? Because every time a Republican is in the White House, the middle class gets screwed. Been happening since Reagan.

U.S. economy is worse than thought with 1.2 million fewer jobs​

Time to lower interest rates to compensate for what Trump has done.

Job growth revised down by 911,000 through March, signaling economy on shakier footing than realized​

Important inflation reports this week expected to show prices still on the rise​

• The New York Fed’s monthly Survey of Consumer Expectations indicated a 44.9% probability of finding another job after losing their current one, the lowest in the survey’s history.
• Expectations that the unemployment rate will be higher a year from now rose to 39.1%, up 1.7 percentage points from July.

Payroll only rose 22,000 in August. Horrible

None of this would be happening if it weren't for the bad orange man. Have you seen the bad orange man has driven North Korea, India, Iran, China and Russia all into an alliance? ****, even Japan is buying from China rather than from Trump. **** Trump they say. Europe, Canada, Mexico too.

How can you ask such a dumb ******* question?

Do you use this tone and language when you talk to your coworker? If so, I can see why she might get defensive.

Also, why are you arguing with yourself?

How can you vote for someone who's in the Epstein file?

I thought you wanted people to think it out for themselves and then realize how brilliant you are and how everyone should be just like you. Now you demand in the rudest way possible that I should explain my vote to you.

It's not like I demand you explain why you voted for a dead man in 2020 and a dope and a knucklehead in 2024. I don't care if you thought 4 more years of the Biden train wreck would be good for America.

You go vote for whoever you like, and I and your coworker will do the same.

Lastly, what files?

 

[jc456]

In other words what Republicans are trying to say is that like Clinton, Trump is just lucky he's riding the tech boom. Like they claimed Clinton rode the dot.com boom.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

 

[jc456]

How can you vote for someone who's in the Epstein file?

like who?

 

[sartre play]

With MONEY controlling everything, ALL politicians are bought & paid for.
Matters not what party is running it. Most of us regulars are not doing that great.
But the list of billionaires & multi multi millionaires keeps growing.
If you had to cry over the cost of eggs, how well could you be doing????

 

[Dirk the Daring]

For example you guys love to point out that Clinton rode the dot.com bubble but you don't care that Trump's doing that right now with the tech bubble we are currently in. Hmmm?

Clinton absolutely rode the dot.com bubble and used it to his advantage, this is unmistakably true. What is also true is that I believe is Trump is doing MUCH worse things to the economy than Clinton did. You see, this is the type of nuanced thinking that Dim zealots are simply incapable of. Dims must protect the Party at all costs.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

You seem to know all the details when it's a Democrat but don't care about those same details when it's a Republican. Why is that?

The surplus was regarding the deficit not the debt. But you don't know the difference now do you?

You seem to know very little about any of this, but I don't blame you, you have simply been brainwashed. For example, can you explain to all of us here what 'intergovernment obligations' are? No worries, I didn't think so. Here, I'll help you out, please educate yourself so that we don't have to go thru this again...

The Clinton Surplus Myth

It is obvious that during elections in which the economy is the most important issue to voters, the candidate deemed to be “strongest” on the economy will get elected. As it happens, one of the arguments I most often hear in support of the Obama presidency is citing the budget surplus under the...

sbstatesman.com

The fact of the matter is, by looking at publicly available data from the Treasury department, the federal budget under the Clinton years operated at a deficit of $100-200 billion for most years, reaching a low point of $18 billion during 2000, but leaving a deficit budget of $130 billion during Clinton’s departing year, in 2001.

By definition, there could not have been a budget surplus; deficit spending defies the idea of the existence of a budget surplus or balanced budget. However, the lie isn’t so obvious that Clinton wasn’t able to use political maneuvering and clever accounting to sell the surplus idea; it’s probable that Clinton was even fooled himself into believing that he was able to produce a surplus without cutting spending or significantly raising taxes. So where did the surplus myth come from?

While government spending was in a deficit, the U.S. public debt, better known as the national debt, was being paid off. The national debt accounts for money that the federal government owes to states, corporations, individuals, and foreign governments but not what is owed to intragovernment obligations, such as the Social Security trust fund.

So while the public debt was being paid off, the debt from intragovernment holdings skyrocketed while general federal spending was relatively unchanged. Clinton pointed to the national debt as being paid off, but neglected to mention that the source of this money was debt owed to Social Security.

The dot-com bubble provided a temporary economic stimulus during the Clinton era, which allowed the Social Security Administration (SSA) to increase revenue through Social Security taxes, leaving Social Security with a surplus.

The Social Security Administration is legally required to purchase government securities with surplus funds, which results from having more funds than required to pay out Social Security checks. This results in a transfer of funds from Social Security, intragovernment holdings, to the Treasury Deparment, which Clinton used to pay down the national debt.

You may wonder what the problem is. If there is a surplus of funds, does it really matter where it comes from?

There is a difference between debt and surplus, no matter where the funds are coming from. The government doesn’t have unique sources of production, and must rely on external sources from which to extract capital. Therefore, a true surplus can only arise by reducing spending.

Even by raising taxes, this only represents debt owed to the public. Clinton relied on the dot-com bubble by funneling funds through the SSA, which allowed him to mimic a surplus by obscuring the source of his funds. This is a clever accounting game, but it is not a surplus.
So when the dot-com bubble burst, and Social Security was left in debt, the federal government couldn’t give the SSA its surplus back. The money had been put towards the public debt already. By that time, Clinton was already out of office, so the effects of the dot-com crash could be blamed on the Republican George Bush anyway.
The bubble itself, which was caused by overspeculation in Internet-based start-up companies, was, in itself, funded by low interest rates set by the Federal Reserve, giving investors a surplus of capital which to invest in the overvalued Internet companies. Government policy contributed to the unsustainable dot-com bubble which the government took advantage of to temporarily reshuffle its debt to give the appearance of a budget surplus to win political favor.

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

www.craigsteiner.us

Understanding what happened requires understanding two concepts of what makes up the national debt. The national debt is made up of public debt and intragovernmental holdings. The public debt is debt held by the public, normally including things such as treasury bills, savings bonds, and other instruments the public can purchase from the government. Intragovernmental holdings, on the other hand, is when the government borrows money from itself--mostly borrowing money from social security.
Notice that while the public debt went down in each of those four years, the intragovernmental holdings went up each year by a far greater amount--and, in turn, the total national debt (which is public debt + intragovernmental holdings) went up. Therein lies the discrepancy.
When it is claimed that Clinton paid down the national debt, that is patently false--as can be seen, the national debt went up every single year. What Clinton did do was pay down the public debt--notice that the claimed surplus is relatively close to the decrease in the public debt for those years. But he paid down the public debt by borrowing far more money in the form of intragovernmental holdings (mostly Social Security).
Interestingly, this most likely was not even a conscious decision by Clinton. The Social Security Administration is legally required to take all its surpluses and buy U.S. Government securities, and the U.S. Government readily sells those securities--which automatically and immediately becomes intragovernmental holdings. The economy was doing well due to the dot-com bubble and people were earning a lot of money and paying a lot into Social Security. Since Social Security had more money coming in than it had to pay in benefits to retired persons, all that extra money was immediately used to buy U.S. Government securities. The government was still running deficits, but since there was so much money coming from excess Social Security contributions there was no need to borrow more money directly from the public. As such, the public debt went down while intragovernmental holdings continued to skyrocket.

The net effect was that the national debt most definitely did not get paid down because we did not have a surplus. The government just covered its deficit by borrowing money from Social Security rather than the public.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

Posts that were spreading misinformation dangerous to the public's health.

"Misinformation?" You mean like;

Keeping 6' apart will stop the spread of covid?
Cloth masks will stop the spread of covid?
Ivermectin is nothing but a horse pill?
If you get the vaccine the virus will in its tracks at you?
That one-way aisles in grocery stores will stop the spread of covid?
That Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? <-- oops sorry, don't know how that got in there...?

 

[sealybobo]

Again, you want to give your rights to the government, I am not willing to do that, because once they take away a tight they keep pushing. Look what happened after 911, we got the Patriot Act and those restrictions are still in effect and even expounded with the blessing of Democrats and Republicans.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

I get it now. Because Biden wasn't perfect, I guess it's okay that a guy on the Epstein file is the president. You probably deep down believe Trump is better for the economy, for the middle class. So you guys don't care if he tried to steal the election, or did all the other horrible things he did.

Because gosh darn it, Biden made Facebook take down fake news about covid. And Russian misinformation. Knowing it's russian trolls trying to, no, scratch that, knowing they are effectively swaying our elections. I guess Russia is using our freedoms against us. Russian American trolls can do their worse. Go for it guys! Russia, if you are listening!

Now we have RFK Jr. running the CDC. If you don't see the problem with that, then maybe you are actually a Trump supporter just too ashamed to admit it. Or you at least prefer Trump to Democrats. That's for sure.

 

[jc456]

Because gosh darn it, Biden made Facebook take down fake news about covid.

what was fake?