If science discovers that Israeli Jews are not the Jews of the Bible

[Challenger]

Except the people here who recognize your hate - not that you try to hide it - aren't necessarily Jewish.

No, but I'll bet everyone who claims to is either a Zionist, Right-wing Christian fundo, or closet (or overt) Judeophile (aka Useful Idiot) or paid Hasbarist.

Why cant they be normal decent and intelligent people who don't subscribe to the lies and propaganda coming from islam and neo marism

Because normal decent and intelligent people usually see through the lies and propaganda coming from the Zionist Hasbara machine.

 

[Roudy]

how many jews are related to the jews is really the question

Honestly where the Jews are from is irrelevant, they are there now and they are there to stay.

Yes, as my friend in Italy says "exaPely". He can't say exactly without a strong accent.

the study has not been debunked no matter how many all caps you use or how big a wikki cut and paste you post..the study has been disputed...there is a big difference...and FYI...you are really starting to sound like a crazy person with your strawmen and ad hominem
you are sounding like someone who has lost a debate and all objective reasoning

Hah? The study has been peer reviewed by the world's top geneticists and found to be riddled with errors and laughed by the scientific community, and the geneticist himself has been found to be a mental case. The fact that you hold on to this antisemite's favorite "Jews are not really Jews" theory shows you are just a desperate Jew hater.

Don't hog the joint, and, stop frequenting these Neo Nazi websites where you found this "damning article". Ha ha ha.

 

[Coyote]

how many jews are related to the jews is really the question

Honestly where the Jews are from is irrelevant, they are there now and they are there to stay.

bingo....and the same is true of the Palestinians.is it not so ?

Then why'd you start this thread, and then pursued the antisemetic theory that today's Jews are fake, bad bingo? It's all a part of delegitimizing the Jewish rights to the łand of Israel, where their ancestors lived..

Pretty much any argument attempting to use genetics comes down to that and genetics grants no rights in the modern world. It's just an interesting diversion. It's utterly irrelevant in trying to resolve today's situation. Millions of people live there now that have lived there for generations if not longer. No one is going anywhere and insisting that millions of people be foreceably moved as some kind of "justice" is neither justice nor humane.

 

[Roudy]

how many jews are related to the jews is really the question

Honestly where the Jews are from is irrelevant, they are there now and they are there to stay.

bingo....and the same is true of the Palestinians.is it not so ?

Then why'd you start this thread, and then pursued the antisemetic theory that today's Jews are fake, bad bingo? It's all a part of delegitimizing the Jewish rights to the łand of Israel, where their ancestors lived..

No its about being here now...its about cutting through the rhetoric

Cutting through the rhetoric? Seems like you're piling on the shit with this fraudulent study.

 

[Roudy]

how many jews are related to the jews is really the question

Honestly where the Jews are from is irrelevant, they are there now and they are there to stay.

bingo....and the same is true of the Palestinians.is it not so ?

Then why'd you start this thread, and then pursued the antisemetic theory that today's Jews are fake, bad bingo? It's all a part of delegitimizing the Jewish rights to the łand of Israel, where their ancestors lived..

Pretty much any argument attempting to use genetics comes down to that and genetics grants no rights in the modern world. It's just an interesting diversion. It's utterly irrelevant in trying to resolve today's situation. Millions of people live there now that have lived there for generations if not longer. No one is going anywhere and insisting that millions of people be foreceably moved as some kind of "justice" is neither justice nor humane.

Agreed.

 

[Roudy]

bibi is toast man..it is a new era...time to move forward

off topic.

 

[eots]

how many jews are related to the jews is really the question

Honestly where the Jews are from is irrelevant, they are there now and they are there to stay.

bingo....and the same is true of the Palestinians.is it not so ?

Then why'd you start this thread, and then pursued the antisemetic theory that today's Jews are fake, bad bingo? It's all a part of delegitimizing the Jewish rights to the łand of Israel, where their ancestors lived..

No its about being here now...its about cutting through the rhetoric

Cutting through the rhetoric? Seems like you're piling on the shit with this fraudulent study.

perhaps it does to those old school bibi types circa 1968
but in 2015...I think people are starting to get it..don't be scared homie..change is good

 

[eots]

bibi is toast man..it is a new era...time to move forward

off topic.

Not if you are smart enough to understand the premise of my op...question

 

[Challenger]

'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins


Read more: Jews a Race Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert Forward.com

This is what happens when an antisemitic pothead smokes acid laced weed, and then goes on an Internet expedition to support his lunacy.

Researchers locate Jewish genetic linkage
A new study, the largest of its kind ever conducted, reveals that the Jewish people shares clear genomic significance. Apparently, the genetic similarity between a Jewish Italian and a Jewish Pole is larger than the similarity between Jewish Pole and a Christian Pole, for instance.

"The Jewish communities share much more (genetic information) between Jews rather than non-Jews in the same geographic area," Dr. Gil Atzmon, co-author of the study and professor of genetics at the Albert Einstein College of Genetics, told the New York Post.

Some 237 Jews of representing the three major Diaspora communities, including Ashkenazi Jews from throughout Europe, Sephardim, and Mizrahim from Syria, Iran, and Iraq, participated in the study.

Shared genetic history
The study found that Ashkenazim share genetic density that could suggest that most of them are ancestors of a small number of original mothers. The researchers noted that the level of relatedness among Ashkenazi Jews is similar to the level of relatedness between fifth-degree cousins. This is not the first study attempting to isolate a genetic thread among Jews. However, it is the first to show clear and unequivocal genetic significance. The study, titled "The Children of Abraham in the Genome Era," was recently published in the American Journal of Human Genetics. "We found that Jewish communities created their own genetic clusters," said Atzmon. Genetic analysis from the study showed that two major groups of Jews, Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews, diverged nearly 2500 years ago. "The study supports the idea of a Jewish people linked by a shared genetic history," explained the study's senior author, Prof. Harry Ostrer of New York University. "The goal of the study was to determine a genomic baseline,” said lead author Gil Atzmon, Ph.D., assistant professor of medicine and of genetics at Einstein. “With this established, we’ll be able to more easily identify genes associated with complex disorders like diabetes that are determined by multiple variants across the genome. Armed with this information, we will be better positioned to treat patients.”

Yet another out of date study, plagiarised from this aticle. Researchers locate Jewish genetic linkage - Israel Jewish Scene Ynetnews

 

[koshergrl]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

What a patently stupid comment.

 

[Phoenall]

Poor eots, can't spam the board with his stupid, irrelevant youtube clips that no one clicks on any longer.

poor roudy is so narcissistic and delusional he feels he is....everyone...lol

And this is why Eots tries to only spam the board with youtube crap, and prefers not to write much. He shows what an illiterate, ignorant moron he truly is.

Take the premise of this OP, the ignoramus is assuming that Jewish ancestry hasn't been proven a million times before. Must be all those neo Nazi sites he frequents. Oh but he' s got Jewish friends! Ha ha ha.

if I was an illiterate I would not be able to read your inane postings..moron...the study referenced was done at john hopkins university and the geneticist was jewish...your neo nazi shtick is getting old and actually I have no close personal Jewish friends..but there are many I admire and I have never had a jewish person do me any personal wrong...no wait I take that back
My buddy hue is Jewish...he drops by fairly regular to smoke some herb and play chess..nice guy..very gracious winner...loser..not so much

You can still be an illiterate if you are able to read you know, but your drug habit points to the problem. You are paranoid and a manic depressive from using weed, explains everything.

 

[Phoenall]

ya geneticist are pretty heavy on the bong and saying dude at john hopkins university....stop being so stupid

You are proving the point that drug use causes mental problems

 

[eots]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

What a patently stupid comment.

it is not a comment..it is a question...but what is a stupid comment is saying Palestinians should go back to where they came from because of the claim they are not genetically linked to area

 

[koshergrl]

ya geneticist are pretty heavy on the bong and saying dude at john hopkins university....stop being so stupid

You are proving the point that drug use causes mental problems

Or the converse..that mental health problems lead to drug abuse.

 

[koshergrl]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

What a patently stupid comment.

it is not acomment

"There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today" is a comment, dear. Although irrelevant is misspelled.

 

[Challenger]

'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins


Read more: Jews a Race Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert Forward.com

And oh one more thing. Your DNA expert has been exposed as a FRAUD. now run along Nazi boy.

Israeli Researcher Challenges Jewish DNA links to Israel Calls Those Who Disagree Nazi Sympathizers - Forbes

Khazarian myth

The Khazarian theory–which historians and scientists now believe should more accurately be called a myth—was more recently recycled (to great applause by anti-Israeli activists and some pro-Palestinian groups) in no less convincing form by Israeli French historian Shlomo Sand in The Invention of the Jewish People, published in 2008—a book panned by both historians and geneticists.

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While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

The rebuke of Elhaik’s study apparently has irked the beleaguered and brash researcher. He’s launched a new offensive—the double entendre is intentional—as chronicled in the Jewish Forward. Elhaik is now calling the world’s top geneticists “liars” and “frauds.” When I weighed in on the magazine’s discussion board, Elhaik responded with academic restraint, claiming my reporting was no better than the geneticists he trashed, saying it shared “common ground with the Nazism (sic) ideology.”

Judaism’s tribal roots

Unlike Christianity and Islam, Judaism is not solely a faith-based religion. Its origins, as is the case with the other prominent surviving ancient religion, Zoroastrianism, are tribal. The blood connections mentioned endlessly in the Hebrew Bible are not just symbolic; the Jews of ancient Israel were a clan of connected tribes who coalesced over hundreds of years. While Jesus and later Mohammad transformed the notion of “blood” into “faith”—one could become a Christian or Muslim through faith alone—Judaism has always retained an ancestral component.

Forbes Magazine, that well respected Journal of Genetic Science....not.

 

[eots]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

What a patently stupid comment.

it is not acomment

"There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today" is a comment, dear. Although irrelevant is misspelled.

they why use the argument in regards to Palestinians does the same not hold true ?

 

[Daniyel]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

What a patently stupid comment.

it is not acomment

"There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today" is a comment, dear. Although irrelevant is misspelled.

they why use the argument in regards to Palestinians does the same not hold true ?

Thing is you try to settle a religious debate with science, see the difference?

 

[Daniyel]

Oh and additionally to that, science proved the Jews are the biblical Jews, did anyone ever cared much for that on the other side?

 

[eots]

ya geneticist are pretty heavy on the bong and saying dude at john hopkins university....stop being so stupid

You are proving the point that drug use causes mental problems

Or the converse..that mental health problems lead to drug abuse.

or that those who feel disadvantaged in a debate resort to straw man and ad hominem