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Russia only attacked its neighboring states in the post-Soviet era such as Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine, where Russia's vital interests were at stake. Nobody complained about Russia's aggression against these small and insignificant states until Ukraine was invaded to protect Crimea and Russian-speaking populations in the east.
What most people are not aware of, is that the Russian intention to place nukes onto Cuba was in reaction to the USA having stationed nuke missiles in Turkey. Therefore Kennedy was forced to pull out those nukes in Turkey.I agree with that but the chips were on the table regarding the Cuba Missile Crisis and no one was sure about “the other guy”. Krustjev had the advantage. First of all, he was in the right plus he was more likely to push the button than Kennedy. 2 – 0 to Nikita who had every right to strike first if he wanted to.
Kennedy only pulled out those nuke missiles from Turkey - he never pulled out those e.g. Matadors from Germany and Britain. Turkey was the sole issue for the USSR/US/Cuba crisis - nothing else.It was not about being right or wrong. It was about the delivering all SS-5s they needed for their counterforce strike in addition to all those SS-4s. They delivered only four SS-5 (of 16 necessary) and when Kennedy suggested mutually acceptable treaty (Russia withdraw missiles from Cuba and the USA withdraw their missiles from Turkey and the rest of Europe) he preferred it, because attacking the USA with SS-4 only (and may be without bombers and submarines either) would be a real gamble.
Total garbage - from an obvious brainless Trump supporter.NATO are mostly useless parasites. They are decreasing our wealth and safety instead of increasing it. And I believe that American people should not be endangered because of a bunch of East European (including Baltic) nationalists, who failed to understood what does the words "democracy", "equal rights", "tolerance" or even "fair pay for the safety" mean.
That is precisely correct.What most people are not aware of, is that the Russian intention to place nukes onto Cuba was in reaction to the USA having stationed nuke missiles in Turkey. Therefore Kennedy was forced to pull out those nukes in Turkey.
Well said!As such Kennedy didn't simply "prevent" a nuclear war - (as the Media keeps propagating), but he (the USA) had factually caused the pretext for one.
Also of interest:That is precisely correct.
Well said!
And I am equally irritated when people say "war broke out" as if war itself is plotting against humanity of its own accord.
Maybe - but Jelzin and the Russian Federation - accepted/acknowledged - a sovereign Ukraine that also beheld Crimea in 1990.Crimea is as Russian as Scotland is in the UK, and Ukraine has centuries of history with Russia
THIS I can understand and I have no serious criticism against the idea of buffering post-WW II concerns about the enormous gap between East and the West – Capitalism vs. Socialism. Stalin didn’t exactly put Communism’s best foot forward.Also of interest:
When the USSR was considered to be a threat by NATO, - the USA had stationed in e.g. 1989, approx. 320,000 troops in Europe
THAT I cannot understand. The Warsaw Pact and the USSR were dissolved. The imperialistic USA is not doing a good job of disguising its “the world is not enough” attitude.Now that Russia is considered to be a threat (even attacked the NATO neighbor&applicant Ukraine) - the USA has in 2024 around 65,000 troops stationed in Europe.
I think you are aware that I am Swedish, although I have traveled and resided in many nations around the world “on my own steam”. I lived 20 years in the US and I am a Vietnam War Veteran. None of that is important right now but the point is that I am Swedish. Now … I can sympathize with Finland leaning toward NATO membership due to the unresolved issue with Karelian. Finland has every right to be sour against Russia for that reason. But Sweden, that pisses me off. My country is fucking us and hasn’t even tried to make sense of the totally un-Democratic way it has ignored the population by joining the ranks of Satanic NATO.Whilst the European NATO members in 2024, have increased their troop strength by approx. 280,000 since 2022. (mostly due to Sweden's and Finland's membership).
That is an interesting point, one I do not really understand. It looks that you are right … that Americans (both the government and its citizenry) are focused on paying NATO membership fees. What is that all about? It stinks of Mafia-like extortion in the form of “protection money”. Of course, that’s exactly what it is but I am bewildered by how openly Washington expresses itself. Do Americans not realize that NATO members are bent over, hands on their ankles with their buttocks bared for perpetual, American hip-thrust? Russia is no threat to Europe and allowing American troops and weaponry on European soil ought to be considered payment enough. I do not welcome NATO military inside of my country, particularly from the US.Obviously it is the USA that is not supporting the European NATO as they had done previously. But spreading bull about paying for Europe's defense.
Indeed,war mongering traiter Ike put the missiles in Turkey and kennedy inherited the Cuban missile crisis thanks to that bastard who was a servant to the deep state.thank god kennedy was fir world peace because he agreed with kruchev to remove the missiles from Turkey in exchange for them to get theirs out of cuba,our history books never mention that it was traiter Ike who git us into the cuban missile crisis and because kennedy listened to his advisors instead of the military he got us out of the crisis,had war monger dick Nixon been potus,he would have done what the military wanted kennedy to do go in and bomb them which would have started ww3 so thank god Nixon was not elected.What most people are not aware of, is that the Russian intention to place nukes onto Cuba was in reaction to the USA having stationed nuke missiles in Turkey. Therefore Kennedy was forced to pull out those nukes in Turkey.
As such Kennedy didn't simply "prevent" a nuclear war - (as the Media keeps propagating), but he (the USA) had factually caused the pretext for one.
It was not about being right or wrong. It was about the delivering all SS-5s they needed for their counterforce strike in addition to all those SS-4s. They delivered only four SS-5 (of 16 necessary) and when Kennedy suggested mutually acceptable treaty (Russia withdraw missiles from Cuba and the USA withdraw their missiles from Turkey and the rest of Europe) he preferred it, because attacking the USA with SS-4 only (and may be without bombers and submarines either) would be a real gamble.
You think wrong.
NATO are mostly useless parasites. They are decreasing our wealth and safety instead of increasing it. And I believe that American people should not be endangered because of a bunch of East European (including Baltic) nationalists, who failed to understood what does the words "democracy", "equal rights", "tolerance" or even "fair pay for the safety" mean.
NATO is indeed a bunch of useless parasites,they are an evil war mongering organization same as the CIA and FBI,all three need to be abolished.all three of them are the reason the world is in the mess it is.
Yes ..... and?if you are Swedish .....
Who said I live in Finland? I could live in Finland (of course) but I don't.and live in Finland
As I said, I lived 20 years in the US spanning the 1960s. I served 3 years in the American Army, one of which was in the Central Highlands of Vietnam.hiw did you happen to become a Vietnam vet?
I always consider Eisenhower a sort of hero because of his warning about the Military-Industrial Complex but I suppose if you focus on how (and who) placed the missiles in Turkey then I guess I have to agree with at least part of your statement. To tell you the truth I never really thought about who and when those missles got there. I think I need to do some reading.Indeed,war mongering traiter Ike put the missiles in Turkey and kennedy inherited the Cuban missile crisis thanks to that bastard
I must disagree with you here. Krustjev "forced" Kennedy to remove those missiles by threat of nuclear war. Russia didn't implement the blockade on itself, you know?... thank god kennedy was fir world peace because he agreed with kruchev to remove the missiles from Turkey
That's true, for sure. What about today? Are American pupils being taught the truth now?... our history books never mention that ...
Was it necessary for you to mention Nixon? I'm just now going to have my breakfast and I don't want to throw it up..... had war monger dick Nixon been potus ....
Okay - greatTHIS I can understand and I have no serious criticism against the idea of buffering post-WW II concerns about the enormous gap between East and the West – Capitalism vs. Socialism. Stalin didn’t exactly put Communism’s best foot forward.
According to the latest Media and political hype in Europe and the USA - Russia (Russian Federation) is clearly being propagated as a threat towards NATO. Just as before the USSR. (or what am I missing?).THAT I cannot understand. The Warsaw Pact and the USSR were dissolved. The imperialistic USA is not doing a good job of disguising its “the world is not enough” attitude.
I hadn't realized that you are Swedish - thought more of you being a former German, gone American.I think you are aware that I am Swedish, although I have traveled and resided in many nations around the world “on my own steam”. I lived 20 years in the US and I am a Vietnam War Veteran. None of that is important right now but the point is that I am Swedish. Now … I can sympathize with Finland leaning toward NATO membership due to the unresolved issue with Karelian. Finland has every right to be sour against Russia for that reason. But Sweden, that pisses me off. My country is fucking us and hasn’t even tried to make sense of the totally un-Democratic way it has ignored the population by joining the ranks of Satanic NATO.
AFAIK the US defense budget GDP% in e.g. 2022 was around 3%, and for 2024 it is projected at around 2.8% till 2033That is an interesting point, one I do not really understand. It looks that you are right … that Americans (both the government and its citizenry) are focused on paying NATO membership fees. What is that all about? It stinks of Mafia-like extortion in the form of “protection money”. Of course, that’s exactly what it is but I am bewildered by how openly Washington expresses itself. Do Americans not realize that NATO members are bent over, hands on their ankles with their buttocks bared for perpetual, American hip-thrust? Russia is no threat to Europe and allowing American troops and weaponry on European soil ought to be considered payment enough. I do not welcome NATO military inside of my country, particularly from the US.
You are probably confusing Sweden and Finland.As for Finland - I think they did not do themselves a favor - since their neutrality has always been respected by the USSR as well as Russia. However even Russia's ill equipped and led forces - could be capable to initially and partially occupy Finish territory. As such a NATO membership certainly adds to Finland's security and secure feeling.
As for Sweden; Sweden's defense doctrine/setup poses an "uncrackaple" nut towards Russia, and any other country getting funny ideas. Therefore in regards to "security issues" pertaining solely to Sweden, it doesn't gain anything IMO - only "ill-feelings" by Russia.
cant speak for him but that is what I was doing,my bad,i meant to say do you live in sweden? and looks l guess i missed the part where you mentioned you once lived in the states. you live in sweden correct am i right? if not,where DO you live?You are probably confusing Sweden and Finland.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Huh?cant speak for him but that is what I was doing,my bad,i meant to say do you live in sweden? and looks l guess i missed the part where you mentioned you once lived in the states. you live in sweden correct am i right? if not,where DO you live?
Republic pols will claim credit for finally winning a war.….. it will attack more other countries ….
i fear ……
Which war are you talking about?Republic pols will claim credit for finally winning a war.
You ask tough questions! That's not fair! 
