If reparations are paid to black Americans, they should come from the democrat party......obviously.

[scruffy]

I'm a registered Independent after a lifetime membership in the GOP.

I am a classical liberal. The organization formerly known as the Republican Party no longer exists. The current cult of personality has no fealty to any conservative/classical liberal principles whatsoever.

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Horsepucky.

How can you be a classical liberal and not understand this?

There are things that are more important than being penny wise.

Like, equal application of the law.

Social control is absolutely anathema to classical liberalism. So is PC. Freedom of conscience is the MOST important thing for classical liberals, and they respect it in others.

In today's world, if you're a classical liberal, you're most likely a right leaning libertarian.

And you don't talk about "cults" because you get it, you understand what those people want.

 

[Moonglow]

The democrat party has never been in power in the USA.

 

[pyetro]

Republican abolitionists were far right christians....see the difference is the democrat party....they were the slave owners.


Sure......after the democrat party pays up....

That's correct. Racist white conservatives from the south used to be represented by the democrats. Today, white conservatives from the south vote Republican because the racist party is not the Democratic party anymore. Why conservatives from the south follow racism. Wanna show me an electoral map for Republican versus Democrats the last 20 years? I don't think you want to go there

 

[scruffy]

You watch too many movies.

And you're a lying leftard.

 

[2aguy]

You watch too many movies.

You don't understand the history of indians.....

Just one example....

Comanche war party activity...

‘Her head, arms and face were full of bruises and sores,’ wrote one witness, Mary Maverick. ‘And her nose was actually burnt off to the bone. Both nostrils were wide open and denuded of flesh.’

Once handed over, Matilda Lockhart broke down as she described the horrors she had endured — the rape, the relentless sexual humiliation and the way Comanche women had tortured her with fire. It wasn’t just her nose, her thin body was hideously scarred all over with burns.

When she mentioned she thought there were 15 other white captives at the Indians’ camp, all of them being subjected to a similar fate, the Texan lawmakers and officials said they were detaining the Comanche chiefs while they rescued the others.

It was a decision that prompted one of the most brutal slaughters in the history of the Wild West — and showed just how bloodthirsty the Comanche could be in revenge.
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He refers to the ‘demonic immorality’ of Comanche attacks on white settlers, the way in which torture, killings and gang-rapes were routine. ‘The logic of Comanche raids was straightforward,’ he explains.
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‘All the men were killed, and any men who were captured alive were tortured; the captive women were gang raped. Babies were invariably killed.’
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One by one, the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire,’ according to a contemporary account. ‘They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonised bodies. Matilda Lockhart’s six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon.’

Not only were the Comanche specialists in torture, they were also the most ferocious and successful warriors — indeed, they become known as ‘Lords of the Plains’.

They were as imperialist and genocidal as the white settlers who eventually vanquished them.





The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide about the real-life Tontos: How Comanche Indians butchered babies, roasted enemies alive and would ride 1,000 miles to wipe out one family









On what the raid on the Parker fort was like
"This is what Indians did to Indians and this just happened to be Indians meeting whites. But the automatic thing in battle is that all the adult males would be killed. That was automatic. That was one of the reasons that Indians fought to the death. The white men were astonished by it but they were assumed that they would be killed. Small children were killed. Very small children were killed. A lot of the children in say, the 3-10 range were often taken as captives. The women were often raped and often killed. And all of the people in those settlements back in those years knew what a Comanche raid was — knew what a Comanche raid meant. ... And it's an interesting kind of moral question as a historian about Plains Indians or American Indians in general. You have to come to terms with this — with torture, which they practiced all across the West — and these kind of grisly practices that scared white people to death."
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On rewriting history to leave out Native American atrocities


"There was even an attempt at one point to deny that Indians were warlike. Comanches were incredibly warlike. They swept everyone off the Southern plains. They nearly exterminated the Apaches. And you know, if you look at the Comanches and you look back in history at Goths and Vikings or Mongols or Celts — old Celts are actually a very good parallel. In a lot of ways, I think we're looking back at earlier versions of ourselves. We — being white European — did all of those things. Not only that but torture was institutionalized during things like the Counter-Reformation and the Spanish Inquisition and the Russian Revolution."
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Seven men were killed in the raid, though that does not begin to describe the horror of what Mackenzie found at the scene. According to Captain Robert G. Carter, Mackenzie's subordinate, who witnessed its aftermath, the victims were stripped, scalped, and mutilated. Some had been beheaded and others had their brains scooped out. "Their fingers, toes and private parts had been cut off and stuck in their mouths," wrote Carter, "and their bodies, now lying in several inches of water and swollen or bloated beyond all chance of recognition, were filled full of arrows, which made them resemble porcupines." They had clearly been tortured, too. "Upon each exposed abdomen had been placed a mass of live coals. . . . One wretched man, Samuel Elliott, who, fighting hard to the last, had evidently been wounded, was found chained between two wagon wheels and, a fire having been made from the wagon pole, he had been slowly roasted to death — 'burnt to a crisp.' "

 

[2aguy]

Democrats were far right Christians.

No....they were democrats....republicans were right wing, Christian, abolitionists......the democrat part is where the racism, slavery and violence comes in...

 

[2aguy]

That's correct. Racist white conservatives from the south used to be represented by the democrats. Today, white conservatives from the south vote Republican because the racist party is not the Democratic party anymore. Why conservatives from the south follow racism. Wanna show me an electoral map for Republican versus Democrats the last 20 years? I don't think you want to go there

The democrat party is openly racist to this day.....everything they do is based on skin color, and they are actively trying to segregate our country by race........

 

[Hellbilly]

You don't understand the history of indians.....

Take your gaslighting and shove it up your ass.

 

[2aguy]

Take your gaslighting and shove it up your ass.

You have been defeated.....easily.......and now resort to that childish response...

 

[Hellbilly]

You have been defeated.....easily.......and now resort to that childish response...

Problem is you have no idea what you’re talking about. Not exactly a victory, shitass.

 

[2aguy]

Problem is you have no idea what you’re talking about. Not exactly a victory, shitass.

We got it.....you lost.......take the loss and go away......

 

[Hellbilly]

We got it.....you lost.......take the loss and go away......

Make me.

 

[Unkotare]

Make me.

"Make me"? What are you, 7 years old?

 

[IM2]

There was slavvery in the north. Furthermore Jim Crow came after slavery. I was born during Jim Crow. It's tiime the racists put down this excuse. You whites celebrate July 4th every year. None of you weree alive during the Revolutionary War. You talk about a constitution made by people who are dead and none of you ratified it. This argument is bunk. Now before I destroy the Democrats should pay reparations argument let me smash this:

Reparations going to people who were never slaves, taken from people who never owned slaves.....but to be more specific....people who were born hundreds of years after slavery...............is just dumb....

Brother Lakota and Brother Hellbilly please do not take offense to the following comments.

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux nation 105 million dollars.. Now to my Native American brothers, let me say that America will never print enough money to pay you what you are truly owed, but my point here is to render the excuses made in opposition to reparations for blacks to what it is, the racist refusal to take responsibility for what this government has done to black citizens of this nation.

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians :: 448 U.S. 371 (1980) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980)

 

[IM2]

Now let's get to the subject of this thread.

If reparations are paid to black Americans, they should come from the democrat party......obviously.​

Obviously he said. These white extremists are a bunch of disingenuous liars.

The Second Confiscation Act in 1862 had provisions for the colonization of blacks who chose to leave. Both Dr. Henry Louis Gates and the 1619 Project have written about a meeting between blacks and Lincoln whereby he made insulting comments to them, blamed blacks for the Civil War, and demanded they accept his plan to resettle blacks outside of America. According to both sources, on Aug. 14, 1862, Lincoln met with black representatives at the White House to try getting blacks to accept getting shipped out of the country.

Henry Louis Gates Jr., Did Lincoln Want to Ship Black People Back to Africa? https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black people-back-to-africa-1790858389

Republicans authored an amendment to officially make slavery a constitutionally protected activity. The Republican Party is the party of The Corwin Amendment that would have cemented slavery as a constitutional right.

The Corwin Amendment, The Able Doctor, or America Swallowing the Bitter Draught - The Heritage Post corwin-amendment/

Robert Longley, The Corwin Amendment, Enslavement, and Abraham Lincoln, Updated July 24, 2019, https://www.thoughtco.com/corwin-amendment-slavery-andlincoln-416092

A Republican president, with the support of the Republican Party, ended reconstruction. The Republican Party is the party of the 1877 Compromise that ended reconstruction and paved the way for Jim Crow.

Louis Kleber, The Presidential Election of 1876, History Today Volume 20 Issue 11 November 1970, https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/presidentialelection-1876

The Compromise of 1877, Khan Academy | Free Online Courses, Lessons & Practice humanities/us-history/civil-war-era/reconstruction/a/ compromise-of-187

Once blacks got a foothold in the Republican party and gained some semblance of political equality, white Republicans took steps to purge blacks from leadership positions. The Republican Party is the party of the Lily White movement, a group of Republicans who worked to purge blacks from the party.

Jeff Charles, Lily-White Movement: Why Black Americans Left The GOP, Liberty Nation News, April 02, 2021, Lily-White Movement: Why Black Americans Left the GOP

Lily-white movement, American History USA white-movement

By 1964, there were blacks whose families had been Republicans since emancipation. They stayed faithful to a party that really did nothing for blacks after Lincoln signed the proclamation. While Republican, blacks endured Jim Crow Apartheid nationwide, redlining, restrictive covenants, acts of terror, white instigated racial violence, and the refusal to respect the constitutional rights of black people. Despite years of loyal black support, in 1964 Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for president. His nomination was a slap in the face of black people. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Republicans consistently broke promises or ignored issues that affected black people. In 1964, the Republican Party turned its back on blacks after nearly one hundred years of black support.

Reparations are owed by the governments of this nation who made the laws. The racism has been bi partisan.

 

[JohnReese]

Now let's get to the subject of this thread.

If reparations are paid to black Americans, they should come from the democrat party......obviously.​

Obviously he said. These white extremists are a bunch of disingenuous liars.

The Second Confiscation Act in 1862 had provisions for the colonization of blacks who chose to leave. Both Dr. Henry Louis Gates and the 1619 Project have written about a meeting between blacks and Lincoln whereby he made insulting comments to them, blamed blacks for the Civil War, and demanded they accept his plan to resettle blacks outside of America. According to both sources, on Aug. 14, 1862, Lincoln met with black representatives at the White House to try getting blacks to accept getting shipped out of the country.

Henry Louis Gates Jr., Did Lincoln Want to Ship Black People Back to Africa? https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black people-back-to-africa-1790858389

Republicans authored an amendment to officially make slavery a constitutionally protected activity. The Republican Party is the party of The Corwin Amendment that would have cemented slavery as a constitutional right.

The Corwin Amendment, The Able Doctor, or America Swallowing the Bitter Draught - The Heritage Post corwin-amendment/

Robert Longley, The Corwin Amendment, Enslavement, and Abraham Lincoln, Updated July 24, 2019, https://www.thoughtco.com/corwin-amendment-slavery-andlincoln-416092

A Republican president, with the support of the Republican Party, ended reconstruction. The Republican Party is the party of the 1877 Compromise that ended reconstruction and paved the way for Jim Crow.

Louis Kleber, The Presidential Election of 1876, History Today Volume 20 Issue 11 November 1970, https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/presidentialelection-1876

The Compromise of 1877, Khan Academy | Free Online Courses, Lessons & Practice humanities/us-history/civil-war-era/reconstruction/a/ compromise-of-187

Once blacks got a foothold in the Republican party and gained some semblance of political equality, white Republicans took steps to purge blacks from leadership positions. The Republican Party is the party of the Lily White movement, a group of Republicans who worked to purge blacks from the party.

Jeff Charles, Lily-White Movement: Why Black Americans Left The GOP, Liberty Nation News, April 02, 2021, Lily-White Movement: Why Black Americans Left the GOP

Lily-white movement, American History USA white-movement

By 1964, there were blacks whose families had been Republicans since emancipation. They stayed faithful to a party that really did nothing for blacks after Lincoln signed the proclamation. While Republican, blacks endured Jim Crow Apartheid nationwide, redlining, restrictive covenants, acts of terror, white instigated racial violence, and the refusal to respect the constitutional rights of black people. Despite years of loyal black support, in 1964 Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for president. His nomination was a slap in the face of black people. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Republicans consistently broke promises or ignored issues that affected black people. In 1964, the Republican Party turned its back on blacks after nearly one hundred years of black support.

Reparations are owed by the governments of this nation who made the laws. The racism has been bi partisan.

Blacks should demand that from Africa. They are the ones who enslaved black people and sold them to the world slavery is still going on in Africa, but you just love to blame Whitey, don't you? Blacks are not owed reparations from Americans for anything slavery, and segregation has been gone for a long time.

 

[2aguy]

Blacks should demand that from Africa. They are the ones who enslaved black people and sold them to the world slavery is still going on in Africa, but you just love to blame Whitey, don't you? Blacks are not owed reparations from Americans for anything slavery, and segregation has been gone for a long time.

And Europe, in particular Britain and Spain....as well as African nations.....

 

[IM2]

Blacks should demand that from Africa. They are the ones who enslaved black people and sold them to the world slavery is still going on in Africa, but you just love to blame Whitey, don't you? Blacks are not owed reparations from Americans for anything slavery, and segregation has been gone for a long time.

No, slavery was made legal in America. Africans did buy Africans then ship them here.. Whites had guns and used them to get captives. Blacks are owed reparations and segregation still continues covertly right now, so does white racism and the harm it causes. You are an example. So if the government can pay others for things that happened in the 1800's it can pay blacks and it will pay blacks.

 

[IM2]

Africans did buy Africans then ship them here.

Correction-Africans did not buy Africans and ship them here.

 

[2aguy]

No, slavery was made legal in America. Africans did buy Africans then ship them here.. Whites had guns and used them to get captives. Blacks are owed reparations and segregation still continues covertly right now, so does white racism and the harm it causes. You are an example. So if the government can pay others for things that happened in the 1800's it can pay blacks and it will pay blacks.

No......whites did not use guns and get captives....the captives came from the Africans who transported their prisoners to the coast...

Slavery as an excuse for current problems is stupid.........decades of voting for the democrat party and living in the cities the democrats control from top to bottom is the problem today........and it can change over night if black Americans simply stop supporting the party of racism and hate.....