If Reparations are ever Paid to Blacks for being Descendents of Slaves, Can we be Sure that none of the Payments Will Ever go to . . .

[IM2]

Exactly what was determined in this case.

Regents of the University of California v. Bakke - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BS.

 

[IM2]

Blacks never were favored and it's funny how a white woman keeps making this claim when the evidence shows that if anyone has been favored, it's white women like her.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Whites seem to have a real problem understanding that white is a race. Whites have been given special treatment since the beginning of this country. Race-neutral policies do not exist. What this has done is return this county to whites being the main race considered.

White is a race, Bob. Every advantage whites have today is due to race being the consideration.

Whites seem to have a real problem understanding that white is a race.

White is a race. A race that does better than the black race in reading, writing, education, employment, wages etc.
They commit fewer crimes, collect less welfare and pay more taxes.

 

[Lisa558]

Blacks never were favored and it's funny how a white woman keeps making this claim when the evidence shows that if anyone has been favored, it's white women like her.

Blacks were the ones most likely to have been favored.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Blacks never were favored and it's funny how a white woman keeps making this claim when the evidence shows that if anyone has been favored, it's white women like her.

Blacks never were favored



Who Took the Place of Allan Bakke?

The person often described as having “taken the place” of Allan Bakke was Dr. Patrick Chavis, a Black medical student admitted to the University of California, Davis School of Medicine in 1973 under the university’s affirmative-action program American Thinker+1.

Bakke, a white veteran and NASA engineer, applied twice to the school’s regular admissions program in the early 1970s but was rejected each time. The school reserved 16 of its 100 medical school seats for minority applicants, and Bakke argued that these quotas violated the Equal Protection Clause. In 1978, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that quotas were unconstitutional but allowed race to be one factor among many in admissions Wikipedia.

In 1973, Chavis was admitted under the special admissions program for minority students. His admission was used in media and political narratives to illustrate the supposed benefits of affirmative action, with figures like Senator Edward Kennedy praising him as a successful physician serving disadvantaged communities American Thinker. Chavis later became a prominent “poster boy” for racial preferences, especially in the years leading up to California’s 1996 Proposition 209, which banned affirmative action in public institutions Carolina Journal.

However, Chavis’s later career was marred by professional misconduct. In 1997, the Medical Board of California suspended his license, citing incompetence, poor impulse control, and serious lapses in patient care, including incidents involving liposuction patients Carolina Journal. He died in 2002 under suspicious circumstances.

In summary, Dr. Patrick Chavis was the student admitted in Bakke’s place under the affirmative-action program, and his story became a central example in the debate over race-based admissions — both as a celebrated case of affirmative action success and later as a cautionary tale of professional failure.

DURR

 

[Lisa558]

Whites seem to have a real problem understanding that white is a race.

White is a race. A race that does better than the black race in reading, writing, education, employment, wages etc.
They commit fewer crimes, collect less welfare and pay more taxes.

IM2 won’t admit that a smart Jewish boy like my dad, from a poor immigrant family, who not only worked part-time after high school to put food on the table but ALSO graduated at the top of his class, got a free college education because of his intelligence, motivation, discipline, and properly placed values.

Naaaa….it’s because he’s white!

 

[Bad Bob]

How about drastically reducing the cost of college educations so that more financially stressed kids (notice I didn't mention color or ethnicity) could get a higher education?

There's this new fangled invention called the internet that could make that happen. I guess it's more important to keep the liberal university elite rich, eh?

The Democrats tried that with government-backed low-interest loans and all that happened is that the universities raised their prices to what the loans students could afford. I strongly disagreed with Biden forgiving college loans along with the Democrat idea of "free college".

Better, IMO, is twofold:
1) Agreed on the Internet. Online classes for the first two years for minimal cost, mostly for testing and labs. Students who excel could obtain scholarships.
2) offer government service programs like the military or Peace Corps which offer 2 years of college/votech for 4 years of service. Students who completed two year online could use the two years of college to complete their education.

 

[Lisa558]

The Democrats tried that with government-backed low-interest loans and all that happened is that the universities raised their prices to what the loans students could afford. I strongly disagreed with Biden forgiving college loans along with the Democrat idea of "free college".

Better, IMO, is twofold:
1) Agreed on the Internet. Online classes for the first two years for minimal cost, mostly for testing and labs. Students who excel could obtain scholarships.
2) offer government service programs like the military or Peace Corps which offer 2 years of college/votech for 4 years of service. Students who completed two year online could use the two years of college to complete their education.

I think what we have now is good, and it’s a shame that more young people don’t take advantage of it:

Any student from a low-income family gets two years of a free community college education via Pell Grants. If he’s of average ability, he can focus on a career-focused program. If he’s “college material” and can get a B average, he can transfer to State U with an academic transfer scholarship and have a modest tuition payment and go in for his bachelor’s.

 

[ding]

This is a great idea.

I know. I believe it's only a matter of time. We just have to overcome the inertia of the status quo which has powerful allies protecting it.

 

[Bad Bob]

I think what we have now is good, and it’s a shame that more young people don’t take advantage of it:

Any student from a low-income family gets two years of a free community college education via Pell Grants. If he’s of average ability, he can focus on a career-focused program. If he’s “college material” and can get a B average, he can transfer to State U with an academic transfer scholarship and have a modest tuition payment and go in for his bachelor’s.

That's good to a point, but as previously discussed, if they come from a poor K-12 school, it's more difficult, if not impossible to earn one of those grants.

IMO, a lot of this begins with public schools whereas the college stuff comes later.

 

[IM2]

I know. I believe it's only a matter of time. We just have to overcome the inertia of the status quo which has powerful allies protecting it.

There are online degree programs now, but they charge outrageous prices.

 

[ding]

The Democrats tried that with government-backed low-interest loans and all that happened is that the universities raised their prices to what the loans students could afford. I strongly disagreed with Biden forgiving college loans along with the Democrat idea of "free college".

I'm talking about dismantling the status quo not someone else paying for the outrageous cost of education when it should be free or low cost.

Better, IMO, is twofold:
1) Agreed on the Internet. Online classes for the first two years for minimal cost, mostly for testing and labs. Students who excel could obtain scholarships.
2) offer government service programs like the military or Peace Corps which offer 2 years of college/votech for 4 years of service. Students who completed two year online could use the two years of college to complete their education.

Seems overly complex to me. The technology is already in place. Put the content out there for a nominal fee and then take onsite monitored tests also for a nominal fee. Easy peasy. The hard part is overcoming the status quo which will be violently opposed to their gravy train ending.

 

[Lisa558]

That's good to a point, but as previously discussed, if they come from a poor K-12 school, it's more difficult, if not impossible to earn one of those grants.

IMO, a lot of this begins with public schools whereas the college stuff comes later.

No, you don’t have to “earn” the Pell Grant. It’s entirely needs-based.

There is absolutely no reason why a poor kid from the public DC school system can’t go here (link below), and pick a career. The Pell Grant will pay for it.

The problem is that so many of these kids get pregnant in high school, or just aren’t motivated to get career training. It starts with the values learned at home.

University of the District of Columbia Community College - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bad Bob]

There are online degree programs now, but they charge outrageous prices.

Agreed, which is why, like PBS, government support of such a program would be necessary. At least for the first two years.

Obviously VoTech presents a different problem since it requires a brick-and-mortar classroom. Same for testing and labs for freshman and sophomore college classes.

I had no money for college and ended up living at home, working part-time and driving to a community college for my first two years of college. It saved a lot of money. I obtained an AA degree with zero debt. Only when I transferred to a four-year college that I accrued debt even though I continued to work part-time during the school year and full time when classes are out. I could have continued living at home and driving to a low cost four year college, but wanted "the college experience".

 

[Bad Bob]

No, you don’t have to “earn” the Pell Grant. It’s entirely needs-based.

There is absolutely no reason why a poor kid from the public DC school system can’t go here (link below), and pick a career. The Pell Grant will pay for it.

The problem is that so many of these kids get pregnant in high school, or just aren’t motivated to get career training. It starts with the values learned at home.

University of the District of Columbia Community College - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A good reason to support abortion and Plan B.

 

[Lisa558]

A good reason to support abortion and Plan B.

Abortion shouldn’t be considered birth control. These girls aren’t bothering with birth control, or worse….they are intentionally getting pregnant. Why not? Someone else has to support them, via welfare, and they can just live off the dole.

 

[IM2]

Agreed, which is why, like PBS, government support of such a program would be necessary. At least for the first two years.

Obviously VoTech presents a different problem since it requires a brick-and-mortar classroom. Same for testing and labs for freshman and sophomore college classes.

I had no money for college and ended up living at home, working part-time and driving to a community college for my first two years of college. It saved a lot of money. I obtained an AA degree with zero debt. Only when I transferred to a four-year college that I accrued debt even though I continued to work part-time during the school year and full time when classes are out. I could have continued living at home and driving to a low cost four year college, but wanted "the college experience".

I got my black preference by earning a wrestling scholarship to a juco, then transferred to a 4-year school. But that scholarship only paid for books and tuition. I worked off-season and got financial aid for my dorm room and other expenses.

 

[Bad Bob]

Abortion shouldn’t be considered birth control. These girls aren’t bothering with birth control, or worse….they are intentionally getting pregnant. Why not? Someone else has to support them, via welfare, and they can just live off the dole.

Agreed, but if a young woman gets pregnant once, she's likely to be more cautious the second time.

"These girls"? You mean the "negra girls living in the slums screwing all those young bucks"? Those girls, Lisa?

 

[IM2]

Blacks never were favored



Who Took the Place of Allan Bakke?

The person often described as having “taken the place” of Allan Bakke was Dr. Patrick Chavis, a Black medical student admitted to the University of California, Davis School of Medicine in 1973 under the university’s affirmative-action program American Thinker+1.

Bakke, a white veteran and NASA engineer, applied twice to the school’s regular admissions program in the early 1970s but was rejected each time. The school reserved 16 of its 100 medical school seats for minority applicants, and Bakke argued that these quotas violated the Equal Protection Clause. In 1978, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that quotas were unconstitutional but allowed race to be one factor among many in admissions Wikipedia.

In 1973, Chavis was admitted under the special admissions program for minority students. His admission was used in media and political narratives to illustrate the supposed benefits of affirmative action, with figures like Senator Edward Kennedy praising him as a successful physician serving disadvantaged communities American Thinker. Chavis later became a prominent “poster boy” for racial preferences, especially in the years leading up to California’s 1996 Proposition 209, which banned affirmative action in public institutions Carolina Journal.

However, Chavis’s later career was marred by professional misconduct. In 1997, the Medical Board of California suspended his license, citing incompetence, poor impulse control, and serious lapses in patient care, including incidents involving liposuction patients Carolina Journal. He died in 2002 under suspicious circumstances.

In summary, Dr. Patrick Chavis was the student admitted in Bakke’s place under the affirmative-action program, and his story became a central example in the debate over race-based admissions — both as a celebrated case of affirmative action success and later as a cautionary tale of professional failure.

DURR

Again whites should not be talking about being favored by racism. Incidentally, Bakke had been denied 2 times by that medical school, based on his record, and there were 84 available slots for whites.

Perhaps a black kid who could not get into an HBCU should file a racial discrimination case because a white kid got admitted to that same HBCU. When there are 84 slots available for whites an 16 for blacks, asians, native americans and blacks, that is not racial preferences for blacks.

And Chavis was not th only black person admitted in that class. I noticed your source is the American Thinker, which is basically a white supremacist magazine frequented by the likes of Jared Taylo and others. Your story is fake news.

White is a race Bob, and white people always been given preferred status because of their race. It's 2026, Bob, stop lying to yourself about how things have happened.

 

[IM2]

Agreed, but if a young woman gets pregnant once, she's likely to be more cautious the second time.

"These girls"? You mean the "negra girls living in the slums screwing all those young bucks"? Those girls, Lisa?

Lisa is lying.