If Reparations are ever Paid to Blacks for being Descendents of Slaves, Can we be Sure that none of the Payments Will Ever go to . . .

[Lisa558]

Unlike you and your counterparts, I'm a moderate, not an extremist. I can agree both with the idea that Hitler restored Germany's economy after the triple-whammy of WWI, the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression and that he was the instrument of his own country's massive destruction and mass murder of German citizens.

Likewise, I can agree with both you and Lisa on somethings and disagree on others.

Part of Critical thinking it to look at something from all sides, figure out what is true or works and what is false or doesn't work.

In this case, just giving every African-American $100K won't work even if it could pass, which it won't. What would pass is upgrading America's schools to world-class institutions and seeking to raise the poor sections of America out of poverty through a combination of jobs, education and a safe environment for citizens.

As far as “upgrading” America’s schools, this won’t be accomplished with more spending - because money is not at the root of the problem in poor inner-city schools. This is clear by the fact that the per-child spending is 30% more in poor areas of DC than in nearby and affluent Fairfax County - yet the students in DC are well behind the Fairfax students.

The ROOT of the problem is that the majority of poor DC students are in a household headed by a single mother, who herself did not get a proper education because she became pregnant OOW.

 

[IM2]

Currently 7.3% of whites use SNAP while 20% of blacks do. This in spite of set-asides and quotas aimed toward blacks, established by government over the past 60 years.
Gov assistance enables poverty.
Just as democrats have designed.
Don’t count on AI assistance for these figures if you do a search. The AI has been programmed to convolute and twist numbers and percentages in order to confuse and excuse the problem. You have to do the math yourself.

Government assistance hasn't created poverty for whites, and whites have been the recipients of the majority of that assistance in every way it can be given.

 

[IM2]

No maybe about it. Fifteen.
Nursery areas and playgrounds for tots have been in PG County schools for over thirty five years. Children of high school girls.
Abortion availability has likely reduced the overall numbers over the years but the culture is the same.

Social Security Act. Title IV provided grants to states as Aid To Dependent Children. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare folks. Assistance for single moms with children and no daddy at home. In 1935. Blacks were excluded. Aid to Dependent Children functioned mainly to provide federal grants to help the states with mothers’ aid laws that began in 1910.

The ADC plan was written by two ladies who had been former directors of what was at the time called the U.S. Children’s Bureau. The Children’s Bureau’s goal was to provide aid to all children whose mothers had no support from a husband, no matter how they got into that position.

So beginning in 1910, the government of the United States subsidized white women having children out of wedlock.

So shut your racist mouth.

 

[Lisa558]

Unlike you and your counterparts, I'm a moderate, not an extremist. I can agree both with the idea that Hitler restored Germany's economy after the triple-whammy of WWI, the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression and that he was the instrument of his own country's massive destruction and mass murder of German citizens.

Likewise, I can agree with both you and Lisa on somethings and disagree on others.

Part of Critical thinking it to look at something from all sides, figure out what is true or works and what is false or doesn't work.

In this case, just giving every African-American $100K won't work even if it could pass, which it won't. What would pass is upgrading America's schools to world-class institutions and seeking to raise the poor sections of America out of poverty through a combination of jobs, education and a safe environment for citizens.

And about IM2’s indignation that “this thread is not about Jews!,” who by the way he has called “evil” and “satanic,” blacks like IM2 want it both ways: they screech that Jews got reparations (never mentioning how modest they were), and when someone explains why the the two are not comparable, they get angry and say the thread’s not about Jews.

 

[Bad Bob]

As far as “upgrading” America’s schools, this won’t be accomplished with more spending - because money is not at the root of the problem in poor inner-city schools. This is clear by the fact that the per-child spending is 30% more in poor areas of DC than in nearby and affluent Fairfax County - yet the students in DC are well behind the Fairfax students.

The ROOT of the problem is that the majority of poor DC students are in a household headed by a single mother, who herself did not get a proper education because she became pregnant OOW.

It's a complex problem, but I agree just throwing money at it won't fix it. It's hard for kids to learn if they are poor, live in fear of their safety and live in an area where joining a gang is the only way to survive.

What is your solution? I favor sex education and birth control pills with abortion as a last resort.

 

[Bad Bob]

And about IM2’s indignation that “this thread is not about Jews!,” who by the way he has called “evil” and “satanic,” blacks like IM2 want it both ways: they screech that Jews got reparations (never mentioning how modest they were), and when someone explains why the the two are not comparable, they get angry and say the thread’s not about Jews.

Back in the 60s Jews and Blacks worked together to fight oppression and bigotry. What changed?

 

[Lisa558]

It's a complex problem, but I agree just throwing money at it won't fix it. It's hard for kids to learn if they are poor, live in fear of their safety and live in an area where joining a gang is the only way to survive.

What is your solution? I favor sex education and birth control pills with abortion as a last resort.

It’s really difficult because even WITH sex education and birth control, many of these girls get pregnant intentionally. They know about birth control, but their role models (their mothers and grandmothers) show that “that’s the way it is,” and the girls follow suit. They see that the government will provide for their babies, and don’t worry about the consequences.

They VALUES have to change, but it starts at home: that getting pregnant without marriage will derail one’s future and very likely result in poverty (or near-poverty), and a life dependent on welfare payments.

 

[Lisa558]

Back in the 60s Jews and Blacks worked together to fight oppression and bigotry. What changed?

Blacks didn’t have the high OOW birthrate they do today. When I went to elementary and junior high school in the 60s, all the black kids came from intact families with the dads working a job.

After the advent of food stamps and welfare to unmarried women, the OOW birthrate increased to where it is now - a staggering 73%. In the meantime, Jews continued to emphasize that one gets an education, gets married, and have children IN THAT ORDER, and thus Jews pulled way ahead.

I believe resentment and jealously is what happened, as Jews show - via their life choices - that failure is not due to bigotry. Otherwise, Jews would be pulling up the bottom of the barrel.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

As far as “upgrading” America’s schools, this won’t be accomplished with more spending - because money is not at the root of the problem in poor inner-city schools. This is clear by the fact that the per-child spending is 30% more in poor areas of DC than in nearby and affluent Fairfax County - yet the students in DC are well behind the Fairfax students.

The ROOT of the problem is that the majority of poor DC students are in a household headed by a single mother, who herself did not get a proper education because she became pregnant OOW.

The problem is that that can never be fixed because it can’t be addressed and that’s because it’s not allowed to even be acknowledged.

 

[Bad Bob]

It’s really difficult because even WITH sex education and birth control, many of these girls get pregnant intentionally. They know about birth control, but their role models (their mothers and grandmothers) show that “that’s the way it is,” and the girls follow suit. They see that the government will provide for their babies, and don’t worry about the consequences.

They VALUES have to change, but it starts at home: that getting pregnant without marriage will derail one’s future and very likely result in poverty (or near-poverty), and a life dependent on welfare payments.

What is your solution for this American social problem?

 

[Chuz Life]

Aahh, the reverse racism myth..

If I had to describe Americans with one word, it would be disappointing...

There is no such thing as "reverse racism."

Racism is racism, no matter which group it comes from.

 

[Bad Bob]

Blacks didn’t have the high OOW birthrate they do today. When I went to elementary and junior high school in the 60s, all the black kids came from intact families with the dads working a job.

After the advent of food stamps and welfare to unmarried women, the OOW birthrate increased to where it is now - a staggering 73%. In the meantime, Jews continued to emphasize that one gets an education, gets married, and have children IN THAT ORDER, and thus Jews pulled way ahead.

I believe resentment and jealously is what happened, as Jews show - via their life choices - that failure is not due to bigotry. Otherwise, Jews would be pulling up the bottom of the barrel.

While I agree the welfare state created problems as well as solving them. It's why I'm against just giving people money. For one thing, continuously giving someone a gift eventually turns into a "right". More importantly, human beings tend to put less value on something they are given than on something they've earned. This is where "workfare" comes in.

Workfare is not a cure all. Single mothers need affordable daycare if they are to work. Not everyone can work due to age, infirmity or other health problems. While even a paraplegic can sit and monitor security screens, the advent of AI makes even that job unnecessary.

 

[Lisa558]

What is your solution for this American social problem?

I can’t solve it. The young women having children out of wedlock have to change.

 

[Lisa558]

While I agree the welfare state created problems as well as solving them. It's why I'm against just giving people money. For one thing, continuously giving someone a gift eventually turns into a "right". More importantly, human beings tend to put less value on something they are given than on something they've earned. This is where "workfare" comes in.

Workfare is not a cure all. Single mothers need affordable daycare if they are to work. Not everyone can work due to age, infirmity or other health problems. While even a paraplegic can sit and monitor security screens, the advent of AI makes even that job unnecessary.

True, but these young women get themselves into a trap by having multiple children, by multiple men, and fail to seek out child support. They thus stay home and collect welfare instead.

Why is it up to US to solve? It’s up to the people who are causing the problem - the girls who get pregnant as teens and continue to have baby after baby after baby well into their 30s. These girls - now women - have to emphasize to their children that getting pregnant OOW will trap one into poverty, yet they instead convey “that’s the way it is” and shrug.

 

[Bad Bob]

True, but these young women get themselves into a trap by having multiple children, by multiple men, and fail to seek out child support. They thus stay home and collect welfare instead.

Why is it up to US to solve? It’s up to the people who are causing the problem - the girls who get pregnant as teens and continue to have baby after baby after baby well into their 30s. These girls - now women - have to emphasize to their children that getting pregnant OOW will trap one into poverty, yet they instead convey “that’s the way it is” and shrug.

Cheap abortion is an effective and available solution, yet you-know-who is against it. Rich women can travel and get an abortion, but poor women cannot. Same goes for seeking legal counsel for child support...much less enforcing deadbeat dads to pay.

It's in the national interest and, from my POV, national security. As Jesus stated in Mark 3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand." A nation is best served if its citizens are safe, protected, educated, healthy and united in support for the nation. To do this, the citizens need to have faith in the nation itself. Citizens who feel the nation is screwing them over in favor of others will not have this faith.