If Reparations are ever Paid to Blacks for being Descendents of Slaves, Can we be Sure that none of the Payments Will Ever go to . . .

Try not to make false equivalencies.

This thread is about reparations, but Lisa's b---- ass has to derail it because th ho is a virulent racist pos. Jews chose to be white and benefited from all the economic assistance whites have been given. So Jews have not only received reparations from America, but they have received them from Germany. If you want to bring up the UN there is this:

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission of Inquiry finds​

OH…….IM2 ***** quotes the antisemitic UN for spreading the genocide lie? No wonder the Jew-hater said Jews are evil and satanic. He spews hateful bigotry and then calls other people bigots.

Blacks have been favored for two generations. It’s past time to model yourself after Jews who, despite millennia of inhumane bigotry, still rise to above-average status in terms of educational attainment and income: just stay in school, don’t have illegitimate babies, and prepare for a career or trade. It’s not rocket science!
 
Try not to make false equivalencies.

This thread is about reparations, but Lisa's b---- ass has to derail it because th ho is a virulent racist pos. Jews chose to be white and benefited from all the economic assistance whites have been given. So Jews have not only received reparations from America, but they have received them from Germany. If you want to bring up the UN there is this:

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission of Inquiry finds​

Note that "the Jews" received reparations at the time, not 160 years later. Good point about the UN. Again, I disagree with the way Israel has conducted the war in Gaza even though, after 78 years of constant attack and the atrocities on October 7th, they believe "enough is enough".

Also remember that it's not the Jews vs. the Muslims since both have made peace over the years. The problem is Iran funding terrorism against Israel and any Arab nation friendly with the West. Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis are all funded by Iran.

Maybe I missed it, but how much "reparation" do you think each African-American should receive? What about those who are not 100% African? Or, worse, who are related to slave owners?
 
You're just pissed off that it was whites who ended most slavery in Africa, against the wishes of black Africans themselves. They made lots of money from it. It's now a big business there again.



What is perhaps more shocking, however, is not just that slavery exists—but that powerful regional institutions, notably the African Union and the Arab League, have failed to confront it with the urgency and clarity it demands.

Despite their rhetoric on unity, dignity, and sovereignty, both organizations have proved to be remarkably reluctant to address the reality of contemporary chattel slavery, even when it thrives within the borders of their member states. Whether out of political calculation, denial, or fear of self-implication, the silence from these bodies has contributed to a vacuum of accountability—and allowed the ancient crime of slavery to persist in the modern era.




THE BIG BUSINESS OF FORCED LABOR

Forced labor is big business, and it’s only getting worse. A 2024 International Labour Organization report estimated annual forced labor profits at $236 billion. That’s more than Amazon, Meta, Google, and Walmart combined. Illegal profits are up $64 billion from the last report in 2014.


WE understand you need to keep attention away from black people themselves. Left wingers are fine with slavery as a business. That's why you never see IM2 and his ilk criticizing actual slavery; they're really fine with it, they just want to see how stupid white people are and con them out of money, is all.
Whites didn't end anything in Africa. White corporations are running the slaves mining lithium in Africa.

I live in America. WE understand you need to keep attention away from white people themselves. Right-wingers are fine with slavery as a business. That's what they were hoping to restore by mass deporting hispanic. IM2 and his ilk do criticize actual slavery; the African Union has condemned it, but again, we live in America, and whites like this moron always want to try talking about slavery in Africa to divert attention away from the blatant white supremacist agenda of this administration. Furthermore, they ignore of the white slavery going on in much of Eastern Europe.
 
Note that "the Jews" received reparations at the time, not 160 years later. Good point about the UN. Again, I disagree with the way Israel has conducted the war in Gaza even though, after 78 years of constant attack and the atrocities on October 7th, they believe "enough is enough".

Also remember that it's not the Jews vs. the Muslims since both have made peace over the years. The problem is Iran funding terrorism against Israel and any Arab nation friendly with the West. Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis are all funded by Iran.

Maybe I missed it, but how much "reparation" do you think each African-American should receive? What about those who are not 100% African? Or, worse, who are related to slave owners?
The only Jews who received reparations - which was a modest amount - were the ones who DIRECTLY suffered unspeakable losses: they had their loved ones ripped away from them, never to be seen again….they were starved half to death….they suffered physical ailments for the rest of their lives….they lost their homes and all property….and they lost their livelihoods.

Now compare that to blacks who are demanding reparations - and a fortune. Any black under 60 has been favored for admission to prestigious universities, med schools, law schools, jobs, and promotions. That is two, and even close to three, generations. That’s reparations enough.

Finally, you say the UN has a point?! Do you not know that the UN is a blatantly anti-Israel, pro-Arab entity? Please take whatever they say about the Jewish country with a grain of salt. Their “resolutions” are biased, and so is anyone quoting them.
 
The only Jews who received reparations - which was a modest amount - were the ones who DIRECTLY suffered unspeakable losses: they had their loved ones ripped away from them, never to be seen again….they were starved half to death….they suffered physical ailments for the rest of their lives….they lost their homes and all property….and they lost their livelihoods.

Now compare that to blacks who are demanding reparations - and a fortune. Any black under 60 has been favored for admission to prestigious universities, med schools, law schools, jobs, and promotions. That is two, and even close to three, generations. That’s reparations enough.

Finally, you say the UN has a point?! Do you not know that the UN is a blatantly anti-Israel, pro-Arab entity? Please take whatever they say about the Jewish country with a grain of salt. Their “resolutions” are biased, and so is anyone quoting them.
Agreed on Jewish reparations paid to the survivors. The Japanese received reparations too but that took 4 decades.

A slight disagreement on "favored for admission" since it wasn't universal for all black men. Sure some benefitted and, yes, some whites lost due to the practice. IMHO, our nation benefits from a healthy and educated citizenry. Public schools are primarily funded locally. Poor schools produce poor citizens. Fixing that problem would raise everyone, regardless of skin-tone, to a higher level.

Yes on the UN. Again, while I understand Israel's actions in Gaza and while I continue to support Israel's right to both exist and defend itself, I agree they went overboard in Gaza after October 7th. Heck, they even shot down their own troops waving a white flag. WTF?
 
Agreed on Jewish reparations paid to the survivors. The Japanese received reparations too but that took 4 decades.
True.


A slight disagreement on "favored for admission" since it wasn't universal for all black men. Sure some benefitted and, yes, some whites lost due to the practice. IMHO, our nation benefits from a healthy and educated citizenry. Public schools are primarily funded locally. Poor schools produce poor citizens. Fixing that problem would raise everyone, regardless of skin-tone, to a higher level.

I worked in higher ed admissions. The favoritism toward blacks - especially black females - was off-the-charts.

As far as poor schools producing poor citizens, that’s true - but lowering standards for certain minorities (never Jews of course) also has the effect of lowering the overall caliber of the schools.

This was always a conudrum. We lowered the cut-off for SAT and GPAs for blacks (and to a lesser extent, Latinos), but it was always a balancing act: in order to reach our quota of black admissions, we’d have to lower the cut-off SO low that classes would have to get dumbed-down, or risk the blacks who had been accepted under the lowest cut-off risked flunking out. (This is the LAST thing a liberal university would want - essentially proving that lowering standards is a bad thing.) So we compromised, and had a lower standard, but not a SUPER low standard.
Yes on the UN. Again, while I understand Israel's actions in Gaza and while I continue to support Israel's right to both exist and defend itself, I agree they went overboard in Gaza after October 7th. Heck, they even shot down their own troops waving a white flag. WTF?

That was an error in the fog of war. You don’t think Israeli soldiers would intentionally shoot down their own, do you? It happens all the time in war - called “friendly fire.”
 
True.




I worked in higher ed admissions. The favoritism toward blacks - especially black females - was off-the-charts.

As far as poor schools producing poor citizens, that’s true - but lowering standards for certain minorities (never Jews of course) also has the effect of lowering the overall caliber of the schools.

This was always a conudrum. We lowered the cut-off for SAT and GPAs for blacks (and to a lesser extent, Latinos), but it was always a balancing act: in order to reach our quota of black admissions, we’d have to lower the cut-off SO low that classes would have to get dumbed-down, or risk the blacks who had been accepted under the lowest cut-off risked flunking out. (This is the LAST thing a liberal university would want - essentially proving that lowering standards is a bad thing.) So we compromised, and had a lower standard, but not a SUPER low standard.


That was an error in the fog of war. You don’t think Israeli soldiers would intentionally shoot down their own, do you? It happens all the time in war - called “friendly fire.”
Agreed on the conundrum. So far neither major party seems interested in fixing it without screwing someone else.

I'm familiar with the "fog of war" but shooting down people who are surrendering is a war crime. The fact they shot down their own people makes it a tragedy.
 
Note that "the Jews" received reparations at the time, not 160 years later. Good point about the UN. Again, I disagree with the way Israel has conducted the war in Gaza even though, after 78 years of constant attack and the atrocities on October 7th, they believe "enough is enough".

Also remember that it's not the Jews vs. the Muslims since both have made peace over the years. The problem is Iran funding terrorism against Israel and any Arab nation friendly with the West. Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis are all funded by Iran.

Maybe I missed it, but how much "reparation" do you think each African-American should receive? What about those who are not 100% African? Or, worse, who are related to slave owners?
Bob,

Any African American related to a slave owner is due to rape.


To the 150 years ago argument:

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux Nation 105 million dollars.

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians :: 448 U.S. 371 (1980) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/448/371/

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP. The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.”


. " Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole."

This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing white racism.

Ann Saphi, Racial inequities cost U.S. economy trillions, researchers find, Reuters, September 9, 2021,Racial inequities cost U.S. economy trillions, researchers find.

Buckman, Shelby R., Laura Y. Choi, Mary C. Daly, Lily M. Seitelman. 2021 “The Economic Gains from Equity,” Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco Working Paper 2021-11. https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/wp2021-11.pdf

So we don't have to talk about 160 years ago, Bob.

Lets continue.

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This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership...

In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today. At a minimum, this paper argues that the U.S. government should compensate black-Americans for the 1.239 quintillion dollars of discriminatory federal housing spending.


You make the same tired, uninformed argument as others who oppose reparations. You have ignored the continuing white racism after slavery and its impacts, or the numerous federal, state an local initiatives that provided whites with economic development and assistance while denying blacks the same. And just in case you come with the whatabout Asians tactic:

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Starting in the 1960s, Asians looking to start businesses in America found themselves blocked from opening in white neighborhoods, mostly by banks that refused to give them loans anywhere near the wealth of those communities. Instead, banks offered loans for new businesses in Black communities, which most Asians, driven by a need to build a new life in a new country, accepted. Banks had deemed these neighborhoods ‘high risk’ for loans as part of redlining, the discriminatory banking practice of classifying neighborhoods worthy of investment based on the racial makeup of the people who lived there. While banks were open to working with Asian business owners as long as it was in the right place, they usually refused to even consider giving loans to Black people in these same neighborhoods hoping to start businesses of their own.


The m thing happened for Jews. All these things white people ignore, deny, or try to lecture us about what we need to do or how wrong it is for us to seek reparations. This needs to stop. There is overwhelming evidence that supports our case.
 
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Agreed on the conundrum. So far neither major party seems interested in fixing it without screwing someone else.

I'm familiar with the "fog of war" but shooting down people who are surrendering is a war crime. The fact they shot down their own people makes it a tragedy.
If yu age with Lisa you have the same problem she does. Ain't nobody getting favored but whites, and this thread is not about Jews.
 
Lets continue.

1780755858266.webp

This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership...

In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today. At a minimum, this paper argues that the U.S. government should compensate black-Americans for the 1.239 quintillion dollars of discriminatory federal housing spending.

You've actually found an Asian researcher who is worse at math than you!

It's like finding a unicorn.

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First, the idea that the US government "invested" 120 billion dollars in housing in the 1950s is just ridiculous.

The bad math that turned the imaginary 120 billion into 1.239 billion billions is beyond even IM2 level idiocy.

That would be like saying you invested $1 in 1950 and it's now worth over $10 million.

All the assets in the US today are worth about $200 trillion

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The Fed - Chart: Balance Sheet of Households and Nonprofit Organizations, 1952 - 2025

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.
www.federalreserve.gov

and this silly researcher from Harvard University and Columbia Law School thinks the US government handed white home buyers
over 6000 times more than all our assets. She's crazy.

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^^Here she says that black wealth is about $232 billion.

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^^
Here she says black households are worth 0.232 quadrillion (232 trillion).
Which is 1000 times her previous claim.

I wonder if Boston University Public Interest Law Journal, Volume 29, Issue 135 (Winter 2019), hired IM2 to edit this article?
 
“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

It's true, if blacks were as productive as whites, they would have made more money.
 
" Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole."

If blacks could read, write and do math as well as whites and do less jail time and have fewer out of wedlock kids,
the economy would improve.
 
Bob,

Any African American related to a slave owner is due to rape.


To the 150 years ago argument:

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux Nation 105 million dollars.

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians :: 448 U.S. 371 (1980) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/448/371/

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP. The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.”


. " Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole."

This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing white racism.

Ann Saphi, Racial inequities cost U.S. economy trillions, researchers find, Reuters, September 9, 2021,Racial inequities cost U.S. economy trillions, researchers find.

Buckman, Shelby R., Laura Y. Choi, Mary C. Daly, Lily M. Seitelman. 2021 “The Economic Gains from Equity,” Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco Working Paper 2021-11. https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/wp2021-11.pdf

So we don't have to talk about 160 years ago, Bob.

Lets continue.

View attachment 1265915
This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership...

In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today. At a minimum, this paper argues that the U.S. government should compensate black-Americans for the 1.239 quintillion dollars of discriminatory federal housing spending.


You make the same tired, uninformed argument as others who oppose reparations. You have ignored the continuing white racism after slavery and its impacts, or the numerous federal, state an local initiatives that provided whites with economic development and assistance while denying blacks the same. And just in case you come with the whatabout Asians tactic:

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Starting in the 1960s, Asians looking to start businesses in America found themselves blocked from opening in white neighborhoods, mostly by banks that refused to give them loans anywhere near the wealth of those communities. Instead, banks offered loans for new businesses in Black communities, which most Asians, driven by a need to build a new life in a new country, accepted. Banks had deemed these neighborhoods ‘high risk’ for loans as part of redlining, the discriminatory banking practice of classifying neighborhoods worthy of investment based on the racial makeup of the people who lived there. While banks were open to working with Asian business owners as long as it was in the right place, they usually refused to even consider giving loans to Black people in these same neighborhoods hoping to start businesses of their own.


The m thing happened for Jews. All these things white people ignore, deny, or try to lecture us about what we need to do or how wrong it is for us to seek reparations. This needs to stop. There is overwhelming evidence that supports our case.
Like Obama's mom? 🤔 Does this mean no reparations for the Obamas?
 
It's true, if blacks were as productive as whites, they would have made more money.
Currently 7.3% of whites use SNAP while 20% of blacks do. This in spite of set-asides and quotas aimed toward blacks, established by government over the past 60 years.
Gov assistance enables poverty.
Just as democrats have designed.
Don’t count on AI assistance for these figures if you do a search. The AI has been programmed to convolute and twist numbers and percentages in order to confuse and excuse the problem. You have to do the math yourself.
 
15th post
Monr ignorant racist bs.
Maybe not 15, but the fact remains that the blacks’ high OOW birthrate is directly correlated to poor educational attainment, high crime, and high poverty rates.
 
If yu age with Lisa you have the same problem she does. Ain't nobody getting favored but whites, and this thread is not about Jews.
Unlike you and your counterparts, I'm a moderate, not an extremist. I can agree both with the idea that Hitler restored Germany's economy after the triple-whammy of WWI, the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression and that he was the instrument of his own country's massive destruction and mass murder of German citizens.

Likewise, I can agree with both you and Lisa on somethings and disagree on others.

Part of Critical thinking it to look at something from all sides, figure out what is true or works and what is false or doesn't work.

In this case, just giving every African-American $100K won't work even if it could pass, which it won't. What would pass is upgrading America's schools to world-class institutions and seeking to raise the poor sections of America out of poverty through a combination of jobs, education and a safe environment for citizens.
 
Lisa,

Any African American related to a slave owner is due to rape.


To the 150 years ago argument:

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux Nation 105 million dollars.

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians :: 448 U.S. 371 (1980) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/448/371/

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP. The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.”


. " Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole."

This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing white racism.

Ann Saphi, Racial inequities cost U.S. economy trillions, researchers find, Reuters, September 9, 2021,Racial inequities cost U.S. economy trillions, researchers find.

Buckman, Shelby R., Laura Y. Choi, Mary C. Daly, Lily M. Seitelman. 2021 “The Economic Gains from Equity,” Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco Working Paper 2021-11. https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/wp2021-11.pdf

Let's continue.

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This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership...

In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today. At a minimum, this paper argues that the U.S. government should compensate black-Americans for the 1.239 quintillion dollars of discriminatory federal housing spending.


This is hw much whites including you whit Jwish ass ha n givn by th govnmnt thatwe w enied. And just in case you come with the whatabout Asians tactic:

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Starting in the 1960s, Asians looking to start businesses in America found themselves blocked from opening in white neighborhoods, mostly by banks that refused to give them loans anywhere near the wealth of those communities. Instead, banks offered loans for new businesses in Black communities, which most Asians, driven by a need to build a new life in a new country, accepted. Banks had deemed these neighborhoods ‘high risk’ for loans as part of redlining, the discriminatory banking practice of classifying neighborhoods worthy of investment based on the racial makeup of the people who lived there. While banks were open to working with Asian business owners as long as it was in the right place, they usually refused to even consider giving loans to Black people in these same neighborhoods hoping to start businesses of their own.


The m thing happened for Jews.

An Lisa, you want to talk about blacks having children before marriage. Why has the government subsidized white women who have children out of wedlock since 1910?

Social Security Act. Title IV provided grants to states as Aid To Dependent Children. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare folks. Assistance for single moms with children and no daddy at home. In 1935. Blacks were excluded. Aid to Dependent Children functioned mainly to provide federal grants to help the states with mothers’ aid laws that began in 1910.

The ADC plan was written by two ladies who had been former directors of what was at the time called the U.S. Children’s Bureau. The Children’s Bureau’s goal was to provide aid to all children whose mothers had no support from a husband, no matter how they got into that position.

So beginning in 1910, the government of the United States subsidized white women having children out of wedlock.


So shut your racist mouth.
 
Maybe not 15, but the fact remains that the blacks’ high OOW birthrate is directly correlated to poor educational attainment, high crime, and high poverty rates.
No maybe about it. Fifteen.
Nursery areas and playgrounds for tots have been in PG County schools for over thirty five years. Children of high school girls.
Abortion availability has likely reduced the overall numbers over the years but the culture is the same.
 

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