Your looking for rational thinking from a group that is not necessarily rational. One of the biggest mistakes we make is trying to apply western logic to those in the middle east especially the more radical elements.
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Anyone that has nuclear weapons can use them at anytime, period. Do you honestly believe that everyone in government, in every country, is sane, uses common sense, and exercises simple logic in all decisions and acts? Look, this world is full of crazies and loonies, and some are in high positions in governments around the world. Never ever bet the farm that some crazy wont hit the button. It would be stupid to think that countries with nuclear weapons would never use them.in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.
also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.
what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.
Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.
it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.
i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??
maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...
i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?
Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post
Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb
i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....
maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).
Your looking for rational thinking from a group that is not necessarily rational. One of the biggest mistakes we make is trying to apply western logic to those in the middle east especially the more radical elements.
in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.
also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.
what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.
Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.
it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.
i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??
maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...
i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?
Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post
Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb
i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....
maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).
well, the are state sponsors of terrorists, they are in bed with unstable countries... and most of their population is really nice. they don't want to die.in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.
also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.
what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.
Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.
it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.
i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??
maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...
i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?
Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post
Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb
i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....
maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).
Its not about what the country of Iran would do, Its about what someone who could buy a nuke from them might do, or what some radical group like ISIS might do if it took over Iran.
so do Christians, right this minute.The difference is, Christians believe that God will bring about the apocalypse in the days of the return of Jesus. Muslims believe they are commanded to bring about the apocalypse as a human act to bring about the return of the 12th imam.That's interesting. You seem to know a lot. Are there also some Christians who wouldn't mind bringing about the apocalypse?
I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many levels the above post is hilarious.
He accurately quoted the philosophy and teachings of both religions. Why do you find that hilarious?
Oh, PS,
because he left out the Mayans.
The Mayans believed in a supreme being.
There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.
That's interesting. You seem to know a lot. Are there also some Christians who wouldn't mind bringing about the apocalypse?
and india, to me that's been the most likely situation, for a breakout war...There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.
What is Pakistan waiting for then?
good point, i feel for the iranian population. the thing that amazes me, is that they are tech connected.There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.
but ideologically (theologically) they still live i the stone age.. a living paradox. i wish we had supported them in 08. that would have ensured an arab spring, perhaps not a looming nuclear winter.
i agree, but this world is getting much smaller. we will realise that when all passenger jets stream live date, worldwide. we have the technology now. it's an example of old v new. that's why i think it's odd that iran hasn't evolved as they break away from a theocracy/dictatorship.Your looking for rational thinking from a group that is not necessarily rational. One of the biggest mistakes we make is trying to apply western logic to those in the middle east especially the more radical elements.
well, the are state sponsors of terrorists, they are in bed with unstable countries... and most of their population is really nice. they don't want to die.in what direction could they send it whereby the end result wouldn't mean their own complete annihilation.
also, can someone explain to me why the rest of the world has the right to tell any country what to do.
what if canada or mexico or switzerland wants one.
Map of nuclear-armed states of the world.
NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France,Russia, United Kingdom, United States)
Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)
Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)
NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany,Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)
States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus,Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)
There are eight sovereign states that have successfully detonatednuclear weapons.[1] Five are considered to be "nuclear-weapon states" (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.
it's a touchy subject, i don't want them to get it, & i'm very pro israel. but i haven't seen this discussion about the political nature (foreign and domestic) and subsequent consequences, especially with an election looming.
i don't like the essence or idea of a world government... is that where we're headed...??
maybe iran has a bomb now. it seems to me that knowing where their bomb is, is safer than not...
i was a little surprised to hear joe leiberman leading a charge against the new arms deal... will it get ratified ?
Can Congress stop the Iran deal - The Washington Post
Foreign Affairs Focus Gary Sick on Iran and the Bomb
i don't think the iran making a bomb is any more critical, than any country Buying a bomb....
maybe the concept of nuclear war is itself becoming obsolete, which harkens back to MAD (mutual assured destruction).
Its not about what the country of Iran would do, Its about what someone who could buy a nuke from them might do, or what some radical group like ISIS might do if it took over Iran.
so do Christians, right this minute.The difference is, Christians believe that God will bring about the apocalypse in the days of the return of Jesus. Muslims believe they are commanded to bring about the apocalypse as a human act to bring about the return of the 12th imam.
I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many levels the above post is hilarious.
He accurately quoted the philosophy and teachings of both religions. Why do you find that hilarious?
Oh, PS,
because he left out the Mayans.
The Mayans believed in a supreme being.
maybe we can use laser to eradicate the nukes as they get launched. i still believe the main threat is terrorism, not at the pure level of nation state, rogue or otherwise.good point, i feel for the iranian population. the thing that amazes me, is that they are tech connected.There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.
but ideologically (theologically) they still live i the stone age.. a living paradox. i wish we had supported them in 08. that would have ensured an arab spring, perhaps not a looming nuclear winter.
Remember, Japan was still in it's feudal period when it was opened up to the west...they armed themselves with modern weapons and went rampaging around Asia, with values and culture based in the middle ages......they were monsters...now there are people who want to give nuclear weapons to Iran...another country whose leadership is still in the middle ages.....
My little stalker friend specializes in catty comments on the fringes.Anything can happen here, but what I don't believe is that Iran's leaders are going to initiate a nuclear strike that anyone can detect.
I've noticed that jihadist leaders are great at sending others to meet up with those 72 virgins, but they're not in all that big a hurry themselves.
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Whoa........! Deep. The bold font is especially awesome. It really brings your point home as though you weren't stating the obvious. Well done.
once in a while you can peek from behind your facade here, you are among friends. mostly
They "know" Israel has the bomb, has since the 1960's, probably has hydrogen bombs, has delivery systems far better than their own. They insist on anuhilating Israel.
During the cold war we had the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction. This meant neither side would cut loose because they would suffer similar fates. It kept both sides honest.
But Israel can't have that with Iran. The Iranians see the destruction Israel could do to them as something wonderful. There can be no protection by Irans assured destruction.
Israel won't tell if they have the bomb. Seeing as the number on Jews in the manhatten project, and the sheer number of scientits in Israel I am pretty sure they do. And the amount of destruction they can let loose can make Hiroshima look like a wet firecracker. Giving the bomb to Iran means the end of Iran.
The UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, and parts of Turkey, are like that, not just Iran. Where do you think ISIS, Al Qaeda, and radical Islamist groups get their funding and support from.good point, i feel for the iranian population. the thing that amazes me, is that they are tech connected.There are those among the Islamists who believe that jumping into an Apocalypse will force Allah's hand in their favor.
but ideologically (theologically) they still live i the stone age.. a living paradox. i wish we had supported them in 08. that would have ensured an arab spring, perhaps not a looming nuclear winter.
My little stalker friend specializes in catty comments on the fringes.Anything can happen here, but what I don't believe is that Iran's leaders are going to initiate a nuclear strike that anyone can detect.
I've noticed that jihadist leaders are great at sending others to meet up with those 72 virgins, but they're not in all that big a hurry themselves.
.
Whoa........! Deep. The bold font is especially awesome. It really brings your point home as though you weren't stating the obvious. Well done.
once in a while you can peek from behind your facade here, you are among friends. mostly
Light on substance, heavy on snark.
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They "know" Israel has the bomb, has since the 1960's, probably has hydrogen bombs, has delivery systems far better than their own. They insist on anuhilating Israel.
During the cold war we had the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction. This meant neither side would cut loose because they would suffer similar fates. It kept both sides honest.
But Israel can't have that with Iran. The Iranians see the destruction Israel could do to them as something wonderful. There can be no protection by Irans assured destruction.
Israel won't tell if they have the bomb. Seeing as the number on Jews in the manhatten project, and the sheer number of scientits in Israel I am pretty sure they do. And the amount of destruction they can let loose can make Hiroshima look like a wet firecracker. Giving the bomb to Iran means the end of Iran.
Israel has nukes and Israel will defend its existence. If that results in the elimination of Iran, so be it.
The difference is, Christians believe that God will bring about the apocalypse in the days of the return of Jesus. Muslims believe they are commanded to bring about the apocalypse as a human act to bring about the return of the 12th imam.That's interesting. You seem to know a lot. Are there also some Christians who wouldn't mind bringing about the apocalypse?
I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on how many levels the above post is hilarious.
He accurately quoted the philosophy and teachings of both religions. Why do you find that hilarious?
Because it's all superstition for starters.
Well, thats your opinion, I and billions of other human beings disagree.