Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

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you're on ...

that living in texas is not good for your health or anything else - being a christian.

It's been pretty good for me. You are not at peace. You are at war.

 

[BreezeWood]

It's been pretty good for me. You are not at peace. You are at war.

sure, just forgetting the sabbath ...

keeping their creation holy - for your own rewards. oil money.

the goal, religion of antiquity is for all humanity being the final judgement - you claim war others simply work for the betterment so all will reap the rewards not just for the selfish few.

 

[SaxonJackson]

"If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book"​

Shakespeare was real. Sure glad we have access to all of his writings and plays.

 

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sure, just forgetting the sabbath ...

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keeping their creation holy - for your own rewards. oil money.

the goal, religion of antiquity is for all humanity being the final judgement - you claim war others simply work for the betterment so all will reap the rewards not just for the selfish few.

The flesh is of no avail. ~Jesus

 

[Kruska]

"If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book"​

Shakespeare was real. Sure glad we have access to all of his writings and plays.

Yes - Shakespeare was indeed "real" and he even wrote most of his play's himself

God - didn't write anything nor is there any proof of him having talked to those that claim it.

But I do agree that believers need this book, just like scientists need theirs.

 

[Cougarbear]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

There were times in OT times specifically where scripture was memorized and passed down from father to son. I'm sure after a few generations, the people realized that there was confusion as what they were teaching wasn't the same from each family. So, they developed their written language and wrote down what they had. Then, the religious leaders attempted to straighten out the doctrine with the help of Prophets of the Lord. Of course, Moses was at the heart of this.

I guess according to his logic or illogic, we don't have a President or Government of the United States because we have a written book called the United States Constitution. The guy is an idiot.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yes - Shakespeare was indeed "real" and he even wrote most of his play's himself

God - didn't write anything nor is there any proof of him having talked to those that claim it.

But I do agree that believers need this book, just like scientists need theirs.

It's another faith vs. hard facts issue. But this is what I sincerely believe:

2 Peter 1:21, “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

 

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But I do agree that believers need this book, just like scientists need theirs.

Not really. Believing in God is innate. Before any primal religion began there was no book per se. Just people who were more in tune with God. It's just like any other talent in that regard. Some are really good at it and they are the ones that naturally teach it. Most of it is common sense anyway.

 

[Kruska]

It's another faith vs. hard facts issue. But this is what I sincerely believe:

2 Peter 1:21, “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

I know, that's why I had stated: religious folks need this book, just like scientists need theirs.

 

[BreezeWood]

So, they developed their written language and wrote down what they had.

to be or not to be - the triumph of good vs evil - treat ones neighbor as themself ...

far better what is true and spoken than what they have written down as their bibles filled w/ forgeries lies and fallacies over time - they refuse to evolve but rather use to persecute and victimize the innocent using their written devices to justify their crimes replete throughout recorded history.

 

[Cougarbear]

to be or not to be - the triumph of good vs evil - treat ones neighbor as themself ...

far better what is true and spoken than what they have written down as their bibles filled w/ forgeries lies and fallacies over time - they refuse to evolve but rather use to persecute and victimize the innocent using their written devices to justify their crimes replete throughout recorded history.

You lack complete knowledge and understanding of God’s plan of salvation to bring to pass his plan to give his spirit children immortality and eternal life forever. The circle of evil pride is a human condition with the religious and non-religious. And everyone in between. When the people followed the laws and covenants made with the God of Israel, the people thrived in freedom and happiness. Then, pride would creep in and eventually create evil, loss of God’s protections due to man breaking covenants. They would fall into slavery. And they would eventually cry out to God and repent. And the cycle continues until pride takes over again.
Today, same thing is happening. Christians, Muslims, atheists and others have put themselves above the God of Israel with your pride. Only this time, the entire world is in a spiral of pride that will end with the return of the Lord, Jesus Christ. The prideful will deny this to hide their own wickedness, evil and pride.

 

[BreezeWood]

Only this time, the entire world is in a spiral of pride that will end with the return of the Lord, Jesus Christ.

what you leave out is what really happens for your claim - there will be no one worthy (noah) left for the parables conclusion and those in your scenario, all being evil who remained will all perish by heavens return and will be the end of humanity ...

religion of antiquity, the heavenly goal for all humanity - the triumph of good vs evil - would have the heavens returning where the good have triumphed and all who were evil would have perished and be no more - heaven on earth.

the parable of noah to its dramatic conclusion - one way or the other.

 

[Churchill]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

God is self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

 

[GLASNOST]

If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book​

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”

Yes. It's very simple when you think about it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse