If Every Illegal Alien is Given Legal Status and a Work Permit, who will Do the Jobs that Americans Won't Do?

[Seymour Flops]

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal.​

July 18, 2024

By: Nina Sedeño

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal. - Latino Policy Forum

There is no application available yet. Only select groups of immigrants will be eligible for relief. It is critical that those who believe they may be eligible for relief consult with a reputable legal organization such as The Resurrection Project or the National Immigrant Justice Center or a...

latinopolicyforum.org

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“¡Tengo treinta años aquí! ¡No califico para esto!”
“I’ve been [in this country] for thirty years! I do not qualify for this!”

The words of this long-time immigrant worker were not easily forgotten as dozens of immigrants, advocates, elected officials, labor unions, and faith and business leaders gathered at The Resurrection Project on June 19th to respond
EditSign
to President Biden’s recent actions on immigration. Once implemented, these actions will streamline paths to work authorization and legal status for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and DREAMers across the country – the largest move since DACA in 2012.

The proclamation, as announced, would help immigrants in two key ways:

1. Allow certain undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens to apply for “parole-in-place
   EditSign
   (PIP),” a protection against deportation, while inside the country. This will allow many to access a work permit and legal permanent residency. Approximately half a million undocumented immigrants and their children (approximately 21,000 in Illinois) will be eligible. Eligible spouses and children will be able to apply beginning August 19th.
2. Allow DACA recipients and other DREAMers, who have earned a bachelor’s degree or higher and who have received an offer of employment from a U.S. employer in a specialized field related to their degree, to more quickly receive work visas, which in time, could provide a pathway to legal permanent residency.¹

Since the main claim of supporters of unlimited immigration is that we need cheap pea-pickers and whatnot to keep prices down at the grocery store and at Denny's what is the plan for all these farm workers getting green cards and becoming truck drivers, postal workers, and learning to code?

I'm pretty sure I know the real answer, and that many non-Democrats on here will immediately know it also. But, I'd like to see if Democrats can be honest about it.

 

[sparky]

There is no 'job Americans won't do' Seymour , but there are plenty of jobs Americans won't do for peanuts

~S~

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[BULLDOG]

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal.​

July 18, 2024

By: Nina Sedeño

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal. - Latino Policy Forum

There is no application available yet. Only select groups of immigrants will be eligible for relief. It is critical that those who believe they may be eligible for relief consult with a reputable legal organization such as The Resurrection Project or the National Immigrant Justice Center or a...

latinopolicyforum.org

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“¡Tengo treinta años aquí! ¡No califico para esto!”
“I’ve been [in this country] for thirty years! I do not qualify for this!”

The words of this long-time immigrant worker were not easily forgotten as dozens of immigrants, advocates, elected officials, labor unions, and faith and business leaders gathered at The Resurrection Project on June 19th to respond
EditSign
to President Biden’s recent actions on immigration. Once implemented, these actions will streamline paths to work authorization and legal status for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and DREAMers across the country – the largest move since DACA in 2012.

The proclamation, as announced, would help immigrants in two key ways:

1. Allow certain undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens to apply for “parole-in-place
   EditSign
   (PIP),” a protection against deportation, while inside the country. This will allow many to access a work permit and legal permanent residency. Approximately half a million undocumented immigrants and their children (approximately 21,000 in Illinois) will be eligible. Eligible spouses and children will be able to apply beginning August 19th.
2. Allow DACA recipients and other DREAMers, who have earned a bachelor’s degree or higher and who have received an offer of employment from a U.S. employer in a specialized field related to their degree, to more quickly receive work visas, which in time, could provide a pathway to legal permanent residency.¹

Since the main claim of supporters of unlimited immigration is that we need cheap pea-pickers and whatnot to keep prices down at the grocery store and at Denny's what is the plan for all these farm workers getting green cards and becoming truck drivers, postal workers, and learning to code?

I'm pretty sure I know the real answer, and that many non-Democrats on here will immediately know it also. But, I'd like to see if Democrats can be honest about it.

Who said legal status is the same as giving all the rights and privileges. Being legal only means they are subject to the restrictions that the legality defines. What's wrong with migrants legally being allowed to come here, harvest our crops while enjoying only those things that their legality allows, and then leave? Citizenship is an entirely different subject than merely being legal.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal.​

July 18, 2024

By: Nina Sedeño

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal. - Latino Policy Forum

There is no application available yet. Only select groups of immigrants will be eligible for relief. It is critical that those who believe they may be eligible for relief consult with a reputable legal organization such as The Resurrection Project or the National Immigrant Justice Center or a...

latinopolicyforum.org

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“¡Tengo treinta años aquí! ¡No califico para esto!”
“I’ve been [in this country] for thirty years! I do not qualify for this!”

The words of this long-time immigrant worker were not easily forgotten as dozens of immigrants, advocates, elected officials, labor unions, and faith and business leaders gathered at The Resurrection Project on June 19th to respond
EditSign
to President Biden’s recent actions on immigration. Once implemented, these actions will streamline paths to work authorization and legal status for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and DREAMers across the country – the largest move since DACA in 2012.

The proclamation, as announced, would help immigrants in two key ways:

1. Allow certain undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens to apply for “parole-in-place
   EditSign
   (PIP),” a protection against deportation, while inside the country. This will allow many to access a work permit and legal permanent residency. Approximately half a million undocumented immigrants and their children (approximately 21,000 in Illinois) will be eligible. Eligible spouses and children will be able to apply beginning August 19th.
2. Allow DACA recipients and other DREAMers, who have earned a bachelor’s degree or higher and who have received an offer of employment from a U.S. employer in a specialized field related to their degree, to more quickly receive work visas, which in time, could provide a pathway to legal permanent residency.¹

Since the main claim of supporters of unlimited immigration is that we need cheap pea-pickers and whatnot to keep prices down at the grocery store and at Denny's what is the plan for all these farm workers getting green cards and becoming truck drivers, postal workers, and learning to code?

I'm pretty sure I know the real answer, and that many non-Democrats on here will immediately know it also. But, I'd like to see if Democrats can be honest about it.

This keeps getting repeated.

How about this idea? There are probably countless American young men who may have minor criminal records, be homeless or addicted. They have one major advantage though, they speak English.

With the right guidance, perhaps they can be given an opportunity to get their lives in order, the dignity of work and self sufficiency?

Maybe there will be a day when former illegal immigrants start complaining that poor white trash who were once addicted to the poisons many illegal brought into the country turned their lives around and are now doing THEIR jobs (that they are currently doing, illegally and under the table).

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

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"Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops, but 41 percent …​

Jun 19, 2012 · According to figures compiled in 2005 by the Pew Hispanic Center from Census Bureau data, 19 percent of farming, fishing and forest workers were illegal immigrants -- the …

Welfare Use by Immigrants and the U.S.-Born - CIS.org​

Dec 19, 2023 · We estimate that 59.4 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more welfare programs. Compared to the U.S.-born, illegal-headed households use every program at statistically significant higher rates than the U.S.-born, except for SSI, TANF, and housing.

 

[sparky]

This is about H1B H2B work visas , not illegals assuming those positions.

Conflating the two issues is disingenuous and dishonest

~S~

 

[sealybobo]

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal.​

July 18, 2024

By: Nina Sedeño

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal. - Latino Policy Forum

There is no application available yet. Only select groups of immigrants will be eligible for relief. It is critical that those who believe they may be eligible for relief consult with a reputable legal organization such as The Resurrection Project or the National Immigrant Justice Center or a...

latinopolicyforum.org

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“¡Tengo treinta años aquí! ¡No califico para esto!”
“I’ve been [in this country] for thirty years! I do not qualify for this!”

The words of this long-time immigrant worker were not easily forgotten as dozens of immigrants, advocates, elected officials, labor unions, and faith and business leaders gathered at The Resurrection Project on June 19th to respond
EditSign
to President Biden’s recent actions on immigration. Once implemented, these actions will streamline paths to work authorization and legal status for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and DREAMers across the country – the largest move since DACA in 2012.

The proclamation, as announced, would help immigrants in two key ways:

1. Allow certain undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens to apply for “parole-in-place
   EditSign
   (PIP),” a protection against deportation, while inside the country. This will allow many to access a work permit and legal permanent residency. Approximately half a million undocumented immigrants and their children (approximately 21,000 in Illinois) will be eligible. Eligible spouses and children will be able to apply beginning August 19th.
2. Allow DACA recipients and other DREAMers, who have earned a bachelor’s degree or higher and who have received an offer of employment from a U.S. employer in a specialized field related to their degree, to more quickly receive work visas, which in time, could provide a pathway to legal permanent residency.¹

Since the main claim of supporters of unlimited immigration is that we need cheap pea-pickers and whatnot to keep prices down at the grocery store and at Denny's what is the plan for all these farm workers getting green cards and becoming truck drivers, postal workers, and learning to code?

I'm pretty sure I know the real answer, and that many non-Democrats on here will immediately know it also. But, I'd like to see if Democrats can be honest about it.

They will immediately organize into unions. Mexico has unions too you know.

 

[sealybobo]

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"Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops, but 41 percent …​

Jun 19, 2012 · According to figures compiled in 2005 by the Pew Hispanic Center from Census Bureau data, 19 percent of farming, fishing and forest workers were illegal immigrants -- the …

Welfare Use by Immigrants and the U.S.-Born - CIS.org​

Dec 19, 2023 · We estimate that 59.4 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more welfare programs. Compared to the U.S.-born, illegal-headed households use every program at statistically significant higher rates than the U.S.-born, except for SSI, TANF, and housing.

For centuries immigrants crossed the border, did migrant work, picked fruit in the summer, and went home with a pile of cash. But then Reagan signaled to illegal employers he would not go after him. This was all part of the effort to destroy unions. Reagan waged war on the middle class and we didn't even know it. Then Bush completely stopped going after illegals. I think it was like Clinton raided 400 illegal employers in 1999 and Bush raided 4 in 2002. He was too busy lying us into Iraq.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Who said legal status is the same as giving all the rights and privileges. Being legal only means they are subject to the restrictions that the legality defines. What's wrong with migrants legally being allowed to come here, harvest our crops while enjoying only those things that their legality allows, and then leave? Citizenship is an entirely different subject than merely being legal.

What's wrong is that it displaces American workers, and the low-wages they earn are not enough to sustain a family, so those families receive welfare, which stretches thin the resources that might go to our own American working poor.

 

[Oddball]

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal.​

July 18, 2024

By: Nina Sedeño

Biden’s recent immigration actions provide work permits for some; work permits for all is still the goal. - Latino Policy Forum

There is no application available yet. Only select groups of immigrants will be eligible for relief. It is critical that those who believe they may be eligible for relief consult with a reputable legal organization such as The Resurrection Project or the National Immigrant Justice Center or a...

latinopolicyforum.org

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“¡Tengo treinta años aquí! ¡No califico para esto!”
“I’ve been [in this country] for thirty years! I do not qualify for this!”

The words of this long-time immigrant worker were not easily forgotten as dozens of immigrants, advocates, elected officials, labor unions, and faith and business leaders gathered at The Resurrection Project on June 19th to respond
EditSign
to President Biden’s recent actions on immigration. Once implemented, these actions will streamline paths to work authorization and legal status for hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and DREAMers across the country – the largest move since DACA in 2012.

The proclamation, as announced, would help immigrants in two key ways:

1. Allow certain undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens to apply for “parole-in-place
   EditSign
   (PIP),” a protection against deportation, while inside the country. This will allow many to access a work permit and legal permanent residency. Approximately half a million undocumented immigrants and their children (approximately 21,000 in Illinois) will be eligible. Eligible spouses and children will be able to apply beginning August 19th.
2. Allow DACA recipients and other DREAMers, who have earned a bachelor’s degree or higher and who have received an offer of employment from a U.S. employer in a specialized field related to their degree, to more quickly receive work visas, which in time, could provide a pathway to legal permanent residency.¹

Since the main claim of supporters of unlimited immigration is that we need cheap pea-pickers and whatnot to keep prices down at the grocery store and at Denny's what is the plan for all these farm workers getting green cards and becoming truck drivers, postal workers, and learning to code?

I'm pretty sure I know the real answer, and that many non-Democrats on here will immediately know it also. But, I'd like to see if Democrats can be honest about it.

Who will commit the rapes and murders that Muricans don't want to do?

 

[BULLDOG]

What's wrong is that it displaces American workers, and the low-wages they earn are not enough to sustain a family, so those families receive welfare, which stretches thin the resources that might go to our own American working poor.

That's the strategy Walmart uses. Help them get on welfare so they don't have to pay them a living wage.

 

[justoffal]

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Damn! Wish I'd said that!

 

[justoffal]

That's the strategy Walmart uses. Help them get on welfare so they don't have to pay them a living wage.

Yep financing Xi's slave labor.

 

[justoffal]

They will immediately organize into unions. Mexico has unions too you know.

Prolly right

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's the strategy Walmart uses. Help them get on welfare so they don't have to pay them a living wage.

Yes, welfare is a way of subsidizing paying people less than a living wage.

That's the reason politicians support welfare. Not because they think welfare dolees are going to run out and vote for them, but becuase they will get large donations from Walmart, Mickey-D's and all the other labor intensive large corporations that rely on sub-living wage workers being subsidized. I'd love to end the whole system of welfare payments and have the truly poor move into group homes.

Meanwhile, lets at least confine the subsidies to Americans, not to people who are violating the law by being here.

 

[BULLDOG]

What's wrong is that it displaces American workers, and the low-wages they earn are not enough to sustain a family, so those families receive welfare, which stretches thin the resources that might go to our own American working poor.

Seems your problem is more with the unethical employers that only pay starvation wages than it is with the poor workers who are just glad to have a job.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, welfare is a way of subsidizing paying people less than a living wage.

That's the reason politicians support welfare. Not because they think welfare dolees are going to run out and vote for them, but becuase they will get large donations from Walmart, Mickey-D's and all the other labor intensive large corporations that rely on sub-living wage workers being subsidized. I'd love to end the whole system of welfare payments and have the truly poor move into group homes.

Meanwhile, lets at least confine the subsidies to Americans, not to people who are violating the law by being here.

That doesn't seem to be what the MAGA cult members are trying to accomplish.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Seems your problem is more with the unethical employers that only pay starvation wages than it is with the poor workers who are just glad to have a job.

Yes, I don't blame the workers for taking sub-living wages and also getting welfare from agencies that don't check immigration status. Again, take away the welfare subsidies and the workers will not work for less than they can live on.

The problem is with a president that has refused to secure the border, and a Director of Homeland Security who has found every reason he can dream up not to deport people once they cross over.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That doesn't seem to be what the MAGA cult members are trying to accomplish.

I guess I'm not a MAGA cult member then. I already knew that, but now you do also.

Let me know if you ever find one of those mythical creatures.