If either major political party had chosen a decent Presidential candidate we wouldn't be faced with this problem right now

[justoffal]

America is not going to retreat from the rest of the world. That would be stupid.

It's not a retreat....it is an inevitable loss of ability to project power with impunity. It's happening rapidly now.

 

[Stryder50]

America is not going to retreat from the rest of the world. That would be stupid.

There's a difference between national policy that caters to, complies with, and caves-in to internationalized global interests, demands, and control;
versus a national policy that places the nation first and accommodates, deals/trades with those international globalists willing to interact on an equitable and fair basis.

The USA depends upon foreign resources and foreign markets to sustain and build our economy.
The USA has been part of the international trading community for over two centuries now ~ Yankee Trader, Clipper ships, etc.

Biggest upset and barrier at this time is how much the USA depends upon and is in debt to the CCP China. Breaking that hold and gaining our independence from international globalist controls and manipulations is the best foreign policy to pursue for now. IMO.

 

[Arlette]

There's a difference between national policy that caters to, complies with, and caves-in to internationalized global interests, demands, and control;
versus a national policy that places the nation first and accommodates, deals/trades with those international globalists willing to interact on an equitable and fair basis.

The USA depends upon foreign resources and foreign markets to sustain and build our economy.
The USA has been part of the international trading community for over two centuries now ~ Yankee Trader, Clipper ships, etc.

Biggest upset and barrier at this time is how much the USA depends upon and is in debt to the CCP China. Breaking that hold and gaining our independence from international globalist controls and manipulations is the best foreign policy to pursue for now. IMO.

The rest of the world doesn't give a shit about "America first".

 

[justoffal]

There's a difference between national policy that caters to, complies with, and caves-in to internationalized global interests, demands, and control;
versus a national policy that places the nation first and accommodates, deals/trades with those international globalists willing to interact on an equitable and fair basis.

The USA depends upon foreign resources and foreign markets to sustain and build our economy.
The USA has been part of the international trading community for over two centuries now ~ Yankee Trader, Clipper ships, etc.

Biggest upset and barrier at this time is how much the USA depends upon and is in debt to the CCP China. Breaking that hold and gaining our independence from international globalist controls and manipulations is the best foreign policy to pursue for now. IMO.

A great big yes

 

[Stryder50]

The rest of the world doesn't give a shit about "America first".

All the more reason we need to gauge our "give a shit" about the rest of the World in proportion.
The "rest of the world" is making themselves 'first', so we have to look out for Ourselves.

A reminder that the USA saved the World twice from it's world wars and then rebuilt the destruction and mess afterward.
Also the USA slowed the spread of socialist-communism from what it could have been during the past 80 years.

Admittedly the USA benefited itself also by those actions, but so did the rest of the world.

We are all upwind and upstream to each other as much as downwind and downstream from each other.
It's a round(sphere) World.

 

[Stryder50]

The rest of the world doesn't give a shit about "America first".

As for the thread topic, see my post #63 on previous page.

 

[Arlette]

All the more reason we need to gauge our "give a shit" about the rest of the World in proportion.
The "rest of the world" is making themselves 'first', so we have to look out for Ourselves.

A reminder that the USA saved the World twice from it's world wars and then rebuilt the destruction and mess afterward.
Also the USA slowed the spread of socialist-communism from what it could have been during the past 80 years.

Admittedly the USA benefited itself also by those actions, but so did the rest of the world.

We are all upwind and upstream to each other as much as downwind and downstream from each other.
It's a round(sphere) World.

Other nations will act in their self interest. That's legitimate.

 

[Stryder50]

Other nations will act in their self interest. That's legitimate.

That's what I said.
It's also why we-USA need to act in our own best interests.
It starts by limiting our enabling of other nations, especially those who act against our interests.

 

[justoffal]

That's what I said.
It's also why we-USA need to act in our own best interests.
It starts by limiting our enabling of other nations, especially those who act against our interests.

Follow the money

 

[Arlette]

That's what I said.
It's also why we-USA need to act in our own best interests.
It starts by limiting our enabling of other nations, especially those who act against our interests.

This "America First" is just a meaningless slogan.

 

[justoffal]

This "America First" is just a meaningless slogan.

Not really.... Americans are members of America...it's a definite group defined by the invested energies of it's longtime constituency and should be primarily reserved for that self same group.

This does not mean we are an island nor can we behave that way....but it does call for measure of loyalty to those constituents who should always be first in line for the benevolence of the overarching
Construct. Certainly not last in line.

 

[dblack]

Lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser.

How low will we go?

 

[justoffal]

Lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser.

How low will we go?

That's what the Romans discovered

 

[Stryder50]

That's what the Romans discovered

While history does sometimes repeat itself, in a way, the real meme is;
'Those who fail to learn the lesson(s) of history are doomed to repeat such.'

Rome the City remains, Rome the Empire did pass after about seven-eight centuries of existence as a World Power.*

It may be too early to forecast the USA near future demise, but We are faced with a concerted and concentrated effort by CCP China to become the major, dominating World Power, and further diminishing of the USA is an essential ingredient in their formula.

* Note that 4,000 years plus since Abram made his pact with YHWH, the Jews still exist and their land/nation Israel is still there. Though has gone through some convolutions over that span of history.

 

[justoffal]

While history does sometimes repeat itself, in a way, the real meme is;
'Those who fail to learn the lesson(s) of history are doomed to repeat such.'

Rome the City remains, Rome the Empire did pass after about seven-eight centuries of existence as a World Power.*

It may be too early to forecast the USA near future demise, but We are faced with a concerted and concentrated effort by CCP China to become the major, dominating World Power, and further diminishing of the USA is an essential ingredient in their formula.

* Note that 4,000 years plus since Abram made his pact with YHWH, the Jews still exist and their land/nation Israel is still there. Though has gone through some convolutions over that span of history.

Indeed.....as Rome attempted to organize too much geography whilst struggling with central leadership it more or less became disenfranchised by the late 5th century...infighting and corruption....sounds all too familiar.

 

[climate chang]

Indeed.....as Rome attempted to organize too much geography whilst struggling with central leadership it more or less became disenfranchised by the late 5th century...infighting and corruption....sounds all too familiar.

Rome New York (and the rest of America) is doing as the Romans do.

 

[Stryder50]

Indeed.....as Rome attempted to organize too much geography whilst struggling with central leadership it more or less became disenfranchised by the late 5th century...infighting and corruption....sounds all too familiar.

That and ....
Part of the reason for the split into an Eastern and a Western half with respective capitals.
Also, methods of communication were a bit too slow for efficient central management from great (more than few hundreds of miles) distant.
Note that Byzantine lasted a few more centuries than Rome, in this political arrangement.

 

[buttercup]

OK, let's go there. So you, based on your flawed sense of righteousness, would rather vote for a nobody and guarantee the Scumbag Democrats PERMANENT rule rather than defeat them and send them into the abyss where they belong?

It's a scam. How many years does it take and how much further does our country have to be destroyed before you folks (both R and D) finally get it? The powers-that-shouldn't-be even admitted this, many years ago, watch this clip:

 

[buttercup]

Lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser and lesser.

How low will we go?

I'm convinced that satan himself could run, and these folks (both Ds and Rs) would dutifully pull the lever, because by golly, he's got the correct letter by his name and we can't let the other team win!!!

Meanwhile, the ones pulling the strings of both sides are laughing at how easy it is to scam the public.

 

[Stryder50]

It's a scam. How many years does it take and how much further does our country have to be destroyed before you folks (both R and D) finally get it? The powers-that-shouldn't-be even admitted this, many years ago, watch this clip:

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They are just the puppet wardens working for the real owners. Who are not native to the Sol/Earth System.
The Geminga Scenario