Idiots with guns.

[Indofred]

US military discourages armed civilians at recruiting centres - BBC News

Armed civilians protect the military, but get booted out because they're too stupid to own guns.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Note that the soldiers didn't discourage it. The military does. The commander -in-chief wants venetian blinds.

 

[2aguy]

US military discourages armed civilians at recruiting centres - BBC News

Armed civilians protect the military, but get booted out because they're too stupid to own guns.

You do realize that violence in Britain since the gun ban is now 2 times what we have in the U.S....probably more...and that they instruct their citizens to quietly submit to attackers...right? You know that?

 

[Stephanie]

stop whining. you have idiots with: bats, cars, hatchets, pointy stick etc etc
worry about your own life from idiots. they are everywhere so you might not want to leave your porch

 

[2aguy]

Here you go...British law enforcement warns it's subjects not to use any method of self defense that might injure an attacker....

UK Police Tell Subjects Not To Harm Their Attackers Get A Rape Alarm The Daily Caller

 

[Indofred]

You do realize that violence in Britain since the gun ban is now 2 times what we have in the U.S....probably more

Perhaps you can post the number of cases of gun crime (any level) in the UK, then add the weekly toll in the US for comparison.

 

[Stephanie]

You do realize that violence in Britain since the gun ban is now 2 times what we have in the U.S....probably more

Perhaps you can post the number of cases of gun crime (any level) in the UK, then add the weekly toll in the US for comparison.

no, who cares. go live your life. don't own a gun and be happy. it's not your concern what happens here

 

[2aguy]

You do realize that violence in Britain since the gun ban is now 2 times what we have in the U.S....probably more

Perhaps you can post the number of cases of gun crime (any level) in the UK, then add the weekly toll in the US for comparison.

Is gun crime the only crime that matters to you....again, Britain is 2 times as violent as the United States, and they stab a lot of people....and British criminals still get guns, they just don't use them as much.

And do you figure in how many times guns are used in the United States to stop or prevent violent criminal attack...on average that would be 2 million times a year....

vs. 8,454 gun murders in 2013, and the majority of those are from gangs and drug dealers in small, multi block areas of our democrat run inner cities....

So when you compare apples to apples, our non inner city rates of violence are less than britain......

 

[2aguy]

You do realize that violence in Britain since the gun ban is now 2 times what we have in the U.S....probably more

Perhaps you can post the number of cases of gun crime (any level) in the UK, then add the weekly toll in the US for comparison.

And of course, like all the anti gunners who compares the U.S. to Europe...you always fail to mention the 12 million people the various European countries surrendered to that nazis for murder...if you average those 12 million up to 2015...their government murder rate is greater than our gun murder rate.....

But doing that is not something you gun grabbers want to do....

 

[2aguy]

So...if we take 12 million as the number of Europeans handed over to the nazis to be murdered in death camps from 1939...and this is not war dead, but actual murder......and divide that by the number of years to 2015....76...

You get 157,894 people each year........(and that doesn't even add in people murdered by criminals each year)

People murdered by guns in the U.S. in 2013...... 8,454

Which number is bigger......

Just because Europeans pause longer between their mass murder you will never be allowed to forget what they did.....to defenseless citizens.......

And that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.....they didn't and they paid for it......

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"US military discourages armed civilians at recruiting centres - BBC News"

A prime example of the ridiculous right.

The pentagon does not want these nitwits outside of recruiting centers with loaded firearms; one such nitwit already had an ND.

 

[2aguy]

You do realize that violence in Britain since the gun ban is now 2 times what we have in the U.S....probably more

Perhaps you can post the number of cases of gun crime (any level) in the UK, then add the weekly toll in the US for comparison.

And let's look at the real numbers...from 1939-1945 about 12 million people were handed over to the nazis for murder in their death camps from countries in Europe, not just Germany......so 12 million divided by 6 = 2 million people a year were murdered by their government or surrendered and murdered by other governments....

2 million a year....

vs.

8,454 gun murders in 2013

So again, that is why we have the 2nd Amendment in our country.....because Europe has disarmed it's people and then murdered them when they had a bad 6 years..........

That doesn't even include the 25 million disarmed people murdered in Russia, and the 70 million people murdered by China...and on and on......

 

[2aguy]

"US military discourages armed civilians at recruiting centres - BBC News"

A prime example of the ridiculous right.

The pentagon does not want these nitwits outside of recruiting centers with loaded firearms; one such nitwit already had an ND.

As opposed to the nitwit police officers who also have negligent discharges...............

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I never see Indofred wanting to disarm Muslims? I mean where is that rant for the ISIS to be disarmed instead of killing hundreds of thousands? How about Hamas or Hezbollah? Perhaps you can explain why it is ok that Iran send millions every month to known terror groups to arm them and not a peep from you?

 

[Indofred]

And let's look at the real numbers

Then babbled on about Nazi Germany, absolutely shit all do do with gun crime in the UK Vs. the same in the US.
Come on, be an adult and post on topic.

 

[Indofred]

I never see Indofred wanting to disarm Muslims? I mean where is that rant for the ISIS to be disarmed

Public gun ownership is very limited here, so there's very little gun crime, even if you add the odd terrorist bastards we get from time to time.

As for ISIS, the US armed them, not me, and they have nothing to do with gun crime in the US, save a couple of incidents they may have been involved in.
The rest of the thousands murdered per year in the US were killed by Americans with American guns.

Perhaps you could defend gun ownership in the US by telling us the numbers of lives saved by gun ownership (with links to reliable sites), showing how they massively outnumber those killed with guns.

 

[2aguy]

And let's look at the real numbers

Then babbled on about Nazi Germany, absolutely shit all do do with gun crime in the UK Vs. the same in the US.
Come on, be an adult and post on topic.

Excuse me....the primary reason for our 2nd Amendment is to keep citizens safe from the government...that is why that Right was specifically codified in our Bill of Rights....and in Europe from 1939-1945....the governments of Europe committed mass murder against their people....civilized, advanced nations, the leading nations of the world at the time, marched innocent men, women and children to death camps and murdered them. They aren't the only countries that did this to disarmed citizens...add Russia, China, Cambodia, the Armenian Genocide....

So dismissing it as having nothing to do with gun ownership shows that you have no sense of history and have been fortunate to grow up in a place where you haven't had to worry about it....

But that doesn't mean it can't happen again.....and that is why we defend our 2nd Amendment right so passionately....

Keep in mind...we had a total of 8,454 gun murders in the United States per the FBI data....

In the 6 years of genocide in Europe they were murdering 2 million people a year.

And yet you scoff at that .....and you do that because you, like many leftists, think that history only exists when you wake up in the morning......The Rwandan genocide happened as soldiers from the United Nations....the so called Peacekeepers, stood by and watched....and close to 800,000 people were macheted to death because they had no means to stop the government backed killers..

On our Southern Border, we have vicious drug cartels, working with agents of the Mexican government and law enforcement murdering thousands of unarmed Mexican Citizens....so again.....you scoff at the arming of citizens to protect them from government murder...it is going on all around the world right now...

Do you think the Iranian government could maintain the control they have over their people if the people there were as well armed as Americans?

You are foolish and naive, and need to study history much more closely.....

 

[2aguy]

I never see Indofred wanting to disarm Muslims? I mean where is that rant for the ISIS to be disarmed

Public gun ownership is very limited here, so there's very little gun crime, even if you add the odd terrorist bastards we get from time to time.

As for ISIS, the US armed them, not me, and they have nothing to do with gun crime in the US, save a couple of incidents they may have been involved in.
The rest of the thousands murdered per year in the US were killed by Americans with American guns.

Perhaps you could defend gun ownership in the US by telling us the numbers of lives saved by gun ownership (with links to reliable sites), showing how they massively outnumber those killed with guns.

keep in mind as you look at these numbers from 40 years of gun self defense research...

In 2013, there were only 8,454 gun murders in our country, a country of over 320 million people....and most of those murders were by criminal gangs and drug dealers in small, multi block areas of our democrat run inner cities....

Most of the United States is as, if not more peaceful than Europe....


Here is the research into crime prevention using guns in the United States...I give you all the studies that are easy to link to....and I also give you the research into the specific value of guns is stopping rapes......

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....


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Using guns to stop rape...the research.....with links....


Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

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http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

And for 19.95 you can read Southwick's 2000 study on guns that talk about rape.....

Self-defense with guns The consequences

This one gives the actual percentages of how rapes are stopped...guns come out on top...

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t07/i4/jalt07i4p99.pdf

 

[irosie91]

I never see Indofred wanting to disarm Muslims? I mean where is that rant for the ISIS to be disarmed

Public gun ownership is very limited here, so there's very little gun crime, even if you add the odd terrorist bastards we get from time to time.

As for ISIS, the US armed them, not me, and they have nothing to do with gun crime in the US, save a couple of incidents they may have been involved in.
The rest of the thousands murdered per year in the US were killed by Americans with American guns.

Perhaps you could defend gun ownership in the US by telling us the numbers of lives saved by gun ownership (with links to reliable sites), showing how they massively outnumber those killed with guns.

why focus on guns? muslims do not need guns to rape a 10 year old and slit her throat. AL NABI pig ----raped pillaged and murdered without guns. The biafrans were starved to death in the MILLIONS

 

[2aguy]

On rape...actual results...

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women. However,
more than 2500 women arrived, and brought with them every conceivable
kind of firearm. They had to park many blocks away, and the weapons
were carried in in purses, paper bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters,
and womens' hands. One police officer present said he'd never been so
scared in his life. [It must have been quite a sight! ]

Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for
a more thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered
was for three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had
trained more than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law
of self-defense.

The results?

In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there were 4.

Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in
Orlando as nationwide.

5 years after the training, rape was still
below pre-training levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding
areas, 96% for Florida overall, and 64% nationally.

Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in addition to the rape reductions.

In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense. In
1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND.
(No data are available for later years.)

The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was
widely known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend
themselves from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are
learning engines; they took their business elsewhere--to the detriment
of the defenseless in those other locations.