I will not Bow!

[Sally]

Name one.

The South Afrikaaners and Rhodesians separated Whites from Blacks based on Racial Prejudice.

The Israelis separate themselves from Muslim-Arab Palestinians due to safety concerns.

Occupations always have security problems.

It comes with the territory.

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can tell us all about the security problems when Germany and Japan were occupied after World War II. I am not up on this, but perhaps he is the one who knows.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The South Afrikaaners and Rhodesians separated Whites from Blacks based on Racial Prejudice.

The Israelis separate themselves from Muslim-Arab Palestinians due to safety concerns.

Occupations always have security problems.

It comes with the territory.

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can tell us all about the security problems when Germany and Japan were occupied after World War II. I am not up on this, but perhaps he is the one who knows.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

 

[Sally]

Occupations always have security problems.

It comes with the territory.

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can tell us all about the security problems when Germany and Japan were occupied after World War II. I am not up on this, but perhaps he is the one who knows.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab-Israeli dispute was not caused by the 1967 Occupation. The Occupation was caused by the Arab-Israeli dispute.

Occupations always have security problems.

It comes with the territory.

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can tell us all about the security problems when Germany and Japan were occupied after World War II. I am not up on this, but perhaps he is the one who knows.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

(COMMENT)

Yes, there is a point here.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can tell us all about the security problems when Germany and Japan were occupied after World War II. I am not up on this, but perhaps he is the one who knows.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

Nobody has ever posted any proof to the contrary.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab-Israeli dispute was not caused by the 1967 Occupation. The Occupation was caused by the Arab-Israeli dispute.

I wonder if Mr. Tinmore can tell us all about the security problems when Germany and Japan were occupied after World War II. I am not up on this, but perhaps he is the one who knows.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

(COMMENT)

Yes, there is a point here.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but what about the 1948 occupation?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab-Israeli dispute was not caused by the 1967 Occupation. The Occupation was caused by the Arab-Israeli dispute.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

(COMMENT)

Yes, there is a point here.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but what about the 1948 occupation?

What occupation?

 

[toastman]

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

Nobody has ever posted any proof to the contrary.

Thats because what you said doesn't make sense. You make no sense

 

[Sally]

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

Nobody has ever posted any proof to the contrary.

Why thank you for admitting that your brethren were one of the largest colonizers in the world. Such a shame, though, that they can't in this modern world allow the people they rule over to practice their religion in peace.

 

[RoccoR]

Hossfly, P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, there is an answer, but Paul won't like it. The year 1983.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The answer was there, you just did not understand it. Just as the southern Arab Syrians (AKA Arab Palestinians) didn't understand it back then.

(COMMENT)

The precursor to the right of self-determination is to understand that it is more than just words (but what it is); and the ability to both recognize it when you have it, and to practically implement it (if you wish) in a meaningful and tangible way. Just to say you have it is not enough; not by a long shot. To argue whether or not you had it and when --- is a clear demonstration that the Arab Palestinian did not understand it, could not recognize it for it was, and could not successfully implement it.

Both the Emir and the Grand Mufti understood this distinction. And each, in their own way, made attempt to implement it. The Emir Faisal was successful, while Haj Amin al-Husseini was unsuccessful (although made a valiant attempt).

Yes, the Arab Palestinian has the right to self-determination. The real question is, can they actually make a go of it. To date, all they have been able to do is complain, protest, commit hostile acts, and create a an unproductive environment. They have not been able to focus on domestic nation building activities. Having the right to self-determination is one thing. Knowing how to use it is another. And the Israeli Occupation does not prevent the Arab Palestinian from building a prosperous and peaceful nation. The Occupation is merely and excuse to cover the lack of domestic progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are dancing around the question.

And you, Tinmore are not seeing the answer you want, which doesn't exist.

(OBSERVATION)

I. THIRTY-EIGHTH SESSION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE QUESTION OF PALESTINE

The year 1983 was marked by the adoption by the thirty-eighth session of the General Assembly of Resolution 38/58 C of 13 December 1983. This resolution welcomed and endorsed the call made by the International Conference on the Question of Palestine to convene the International Peace Conference on the Middle East in conformity with the following guidelines:

"(a) The attainment by the Palestinian people of its legitimate inalienable rights, including the right to return, the right to self-determination and the right to establish its own independent State in Palestine;​

SOURCE: Division for Palestinian Rights (DPR)

3. Welcomes and endorses the call for convening an International Peace Conference on the Middle East in conformity with the following guidelines:

(a) The attainment by the Palestinian people of its legitimate inalienable rights, including the right to return, the right to self-determination and the right to establish its own independent State in Palestine;​

SOURCE: A/RES/38/58(A-E) 13 December 1983

(COMMENT)

I actually like my answer better. But, if for academic purposes, our friend "PF Tinmore" wants a date and explanation, then the official UN records is posted with the UN Links.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

Nobody has ever posted any proof to the contrary.

Tinmore, you will be rewarded in Heaven for your persistant, bull-headed obstinance.

 

[toastman]

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

Nobody has ever posted any proof to the contrary.

Why thank you for admitting that your brethren were one of the largest colonizers in the world. Such a shame, though, that they can't in this modern world allow the people they rule over to practice their religion in peace.

When he starts with his usual 'Israel has no land' jibberish, best thing is to ignore him.
He has no idea what he is talking about and no matter how many times you prove him wrong, he atill won't admit that he is.

 

[montelatici]

And the Japanese and Germans did not murder Americans the way your Arab brethren want to murder the Jews and destroy Israel. You have posted numerous time that Israel is in Palestine so in your mind all of Israel doesn't exist -- that it is all Arab land.

By the way, Mr. Tinnie, your brethren were some of the biggest colonizers in the world, but of course you close your eyes to that. Look at all the land they are ruling over now from the time they left the Saudi Peninsula.

Nobody has ever posted any proof to the contrary.

Why thank you for admitting that your brethren were one of the largest colonizers in the world. Such a shame, though, that they can't in this modern world allow the people they rule over to practice their religion in peace.

Well, that is a bit of hyperbole. The British colonized as far away as Australia and New Zealand and at one time 2/3s of the world's population was under British rule. I don't think the Arabs or the Ottomans even came close.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not everyone holds the same view as you.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab-Israeli dispute was not caused by the 1967 Occupation. The Occupation was caused by the Arab-Israeli dispute.

Those were not settler, colonial occupations.

(COMMENT)

Yes, there is a point here.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but what about the 1948 occupation?

(OBSERVATION)

Pursuant to General Assembly resolution 32/40 B of 2 December 1977, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is observed annually on or around 29 November, solemnly commemorating the adoption by the Assembly, on 29 November 1947, of resolution 181 (II), which provided for the partition of Palestine into two States. The observance is held at United Nations Headquarters, the United Nations Offices at Geneva and Vienna and elsewhere. The event includes special meetings at which statements on the question of Palestine are made by high-level officials of the United Nations and intergovernmental organizations and representatives of civil society. The observance also includes cultural events. At other locations, various activities are organized by governmental bodies and CSOs in cooperation with United Nations information centres around the world. It is also traditionally the day that the United Nations General Assembly undertakes its annual debate on the question of Palestine. The General Assembly proclaimed 2014 the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.

SOURCE: DIVISION FOR PALESTINIAN RIGHTS

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

Name one.

The South Afrikaaners and Rhodesians separated Whites from Blacks based on Racial Prejudice.

The Israelis separate themselves from Muslim-Arab Palestinians due to safety concerns.

No, they displaced the non-Jews (Christians and Muslims) and separate them because they are non-Jews and want to maintain complete Jewish control, just as the whites wanted to maintain complete control.

Suit yourself... whatever you like... the large numbers of Muslim-Arab citizens of Israel portray a different picture... the lack of a barrier and blockade for decades after 1967 portray a different picture... for my part, the answer stands.

 

[Kondor3]

Name one.

The South Afrikaaners and Rhodesians separated Whites from Blacks based on Racial Prejudice.

The Israelis separate themselves from Muslim-Arab Palestinians due to safety concerns.

Occupations always have security problems.

It comes with the territory.

Yeppers...

And 'separation' is Israel's answer to that security problem...

Fun, ain't it?

 

[montelatici]

The South Afrikaaners and Rhodesians separated Whites from Blacks based on Racial Prejudice.

The Israelis separate themselves from Muslim-Arab Palestinians due to safety concerns.

Occupations always have security problems.

It comes with the territory.

Yeppers...

And 'separation' is Israel's answer to that security problem...

Fun, ain't it?

And, "separation" or separate development in Afrikaans is called "Apartheid". There you go, you are starting to get it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, there is an answer, but Paul won't like it. The year 1983.

You are a little late. My question stemmed from resolution 3236 of 1974. This shows that the Palestinians already had the right to self determination then.

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

 

[Billo_Really]

WRONG as any act that goes against another groups inalienable rights removes your inalienable rights. Because this was an act of war the Palestinians lost their right to free determination in other than war. At every step they have proven that they are not yet ready to stand on their own feet and form a viable government.

Sorry junior, it doesn't work that way.

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh, so you rationalize your hypocrisy with a date? WoW! That's a steaming huge load of ...

I'm not rationalizing anything.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinian's, is illegal.

What we did to Native American's, was wrong.

See the difference?