I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

Gee, it would begin to be possible to consider pbel's and tinny's accounts of ME history as not totally one-sided and prejudiced to the max, if only either of them would just once acknowledge the conspiracy by the Arab League nations to engage in ethnic cleansing of Jewish citizenry from their nations - stealing an area of land FOUR TIMES the size of Israel in the process.....

I am becoming more convinced with every post by each of them, that they only bother themselves to care about ethnic cleansing, land theft, abuse of *indigenous* populations and so on, when the purported 'aggressors' are likely to be Jews.

Their exclusive focus on wrongs purportedly *by* Jews - and the persistent 'invisbility' in their narrative of wrongs *inflicted* on Jews - is potent evidence of a considerable deep-seated bias in their view.

Not true!

I have endorsed many times, openly and publicly, the right of return for the Jews.

It is, however, a totally separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian refugee problem.

There would not be a "Palestine refugee" problem if the arab states followed International Law and Humanitarian Law and provided the refugees with citizenship. The fault lies with the arab states that still keep the refugees in prison camps with no running water, sewage or medical access.

 

[Phoenall]

not true!

i have endorsed many times, openly and publicly, the right of return for the jews.

It is, however, a totally separate and unrelated issue to the palestinian refugee problem.

if palestinians would just surrender, they wouldn't be refugees.

but they would still not be allowed to go home so what would be the point?

define what you mean by home ?

 

[Phoenall]

But they would still not be allowed to go home so what would be the point?

Realizing and accepting their defeat is the first step to recovery.

The Palestinians are not the surrender type. You have to admire them for that.

Perhaps it is Israel who should surrender.

Then the Palestinians have lost and will never have any peace.

 

[Phoenall]

Well, Israel should try to drive them out to see what happens. Maybe they will end up with a Gentile free area.

Israel does not need to drive them out as they are doing a better job than Israel ever could themselves. Very soon the people will rise up against the extremists and start another murderfest of hamas leaders. This will result in a decline in the population that can not be blamed on the Jews, and will eventually result in the people agreeing to peace. It is the muslims that want the infidel free area so they can do as they please. Rape, murder, torture, barbarism and cannibalism spring to mind.................

 

[Phoenall]

Well, Israel should try to drive them out to see what happens. Maybe they will end up with a Gentile free area.

But many of your Muslim fellows want a Christian-free country, or haven't you been keeping up with the news?

Which country would that be?

ALL OF THEM as it says in the Koran "strike of their hands and feet until there is only islam left"

 

[Phoenall]

No Rocky, there is no solution unless Israel, which has the power, decides to negotiate an equitable agreement. Since an equitable agreement will require the establishment of a sovreign state for non-Jews, there will never be such an agreement, as the Israelis in power want control over the whole of Palestine. If you haven't figured that out yet, you are a bit dim.

You forget negotiations are not one sided, so if the P.A. refuse to negotiate then Israel can do nothing to sort the problem herself. By the way there is already a sovereign state for the Palestinians, that has an elected governing body and a paramilitary police force. It is the arabs that want power and control over the whole of Palestine as shown by their various charters. If you cant see that from the evidence in front of your eyes then you are not just dim but incredibly stupid.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The "without external interference" clause doesn't apply to "outside her (Turkish) frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers" (Part III, Section XIII, Treaty of Sevres) or the territory "from the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey" (Part I, Section I, Treaty of Lausanne); or "the frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921."

More smoke, Rocco?

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Your other two links only apply to Turkey's new borders. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Key words: "in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations"

A trusteeship is the manager of another's property. And whose property was the mandate managing?

​

Indeed.

​

The Allied Powers were no more "foreigners" than the Sultan, or General Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, first President of the Republic of Turkey.

(SIDEBAR)

Most Palestinian Land Owners, at the time of the Mandate of Palestine, owed their ownership to the 1858 land reform legislation, by the Ottoman Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate, it could not have been Palestine as it had no governing body of its own


The various groups that lived in the area that did not yet have any government. These groups included Jews, Christians, arab nomads and itinerant arab workers.

As explained the only outside influence on the arabs was that of the arab league.

They had the chance of national independence and sovereignty and turned it down until 1988 when they saw they were losing everything.

And if they had no homes then were do they go

Which they have and still they attack their neighbours, showing that they are not capable of any form of self determination.

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate,

Where did you get that lie?

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici; et al,

I guess I'm having a senior moment.

No Rocky, there is no solution unless Israel, which has the power, decides to negotiate an equitable agreement.

(COMMENT)

Who decides what is an "equitable agreement?" The key is reasonable compromise.

Since an equitable agreement will require the establishment of a sovereign state for non-Jews, there will never be such an agreement, as the Israelis in power want control over the whole of Palestine. If you haven't figured that out yet, you are a bit dim.

(COMMENT)

"The establishment of a sovereign state for non-Jews" was set forth by the General Assembly adoption of Resolution 181(II) in Part II Section "A" describing the "Arab State." However this was rejected by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) at the direction of the Arab League.

Maybe I'm confused.

Article 1. Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the greater Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.

Article 2: Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968 Permanent Observer Mission of the State of Palestine

It seems to me that it is the Palestinians that "want control over the whole of Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. During the British Mandate in Palestine, children from Najd attended school in the nearby village of Simsim.

Under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, in 1596, Najd formed part nahiya (subdistrict) of Gaza under the liwa' (district) of Gaza with a population of 215. It paid taxes on a number of crops, including wheat, barley and fruit, as well as on goats, beehives and vineyards.[8]

Cultivated lands in the village in 1944-45 included a total of 10 dunums allocated for citrus and bananas and 11,916 dunums for cereals. An additional 511 dunums were irrigated or used for orchards. The population at this time was 620.[12][15]

On 13 May 1948, (before the start of the 1948 war) Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What rights do these people have?

What compromises should they make?

 

[MrMax]

Realizing and accepting their defeat is the first step to recovery.

The Palestinians are not the surrender type. You have to admire them for that.

Perhaps it is Israel who should surrender.

Then the Palestinians have lost and will never have any peace.

The Palestinians have already surrendered by being so weak and incapable of doing anything to hurt Israel, and the sooner they realize that they've already given up, the faster they can all move on with their lives and live in peace and prosper.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The Palestinians are not the surrender type. You have to admire them for that.

Perhaps it is Israel who should surrender.

Then the Palestinians have lost and will never have any peace.

The Palestinians have already surrendered by being so weak and incapable of doing anything to hurt Israel, and the sooner they realize that they've already given up, the faster they can all move on with their lives and live in peace and prosper.

But they don't realize this. They don't use their brains. They can't win, but are willing to martyr themselves trying. This news footage is from last week.

 

[MrMax]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The first image says it all: cardboard rockets!

 

[Kondor3]

montelatici; et al,

I guess I'm having a senior moment.

No Rocky, there is no solution unless Israel, which has the power, decides to negotiate an equitable agreement.

(COMMENT)

Who decides what is an "equitable agreement?" The key is reasonable compromise.

(COMMENT)

"The establishment of a sovereign state for non-Jews" was set forth by the General Assembly adoption of Resolution 181(II) in Part II Section "A" describing the "Arab State." However this was rejected by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) at the direction of the Arab League.

Maybe I'm confused.

It seems to me that it is the Palestinians that "want control over the whole of Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. During the British Mandate in Palestine, children from Najd attended school in the nearby village of Simsim.

Under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, in 1596, Najd formed part nahiya (subdistrict) of Gaza under the liwa' (district) of Gaza with a population of 215. It paid taxes on a number of crops, including wheat, barley and fruit, as well as on goats, beehives and vineyards.[8]

Cultivated lands in the village in 1944-45 included a total of 10 dunums allocated for citrus and bananas and 11,916 dunums for cereals. An additional 511 dunums were irrigated or used for orchards. The population at this time was 620.[12][15]

On 13 May 1948, (before the start of the 1948 war) Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What rights do these people have?...

Compensation for land seized.

What compromises should they make?

Take the money, once it's offered, sign a quit-claim, and leave.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The "without external interference" clause doesn't apply to "outside her (Turkish) frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers" (Part III, Section XIII, Treaty of Sevres) or the territory "from the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey" (Part I, Section I, Treaty of Lausanne); or "the frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921."

More smoke, Rocco?

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Your other two links only apply to Turkey's new borders. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Key words: "in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations"

A trusteeship is the manager of another's property. And whose property was the mandate managing?

​

Indeed.

​

The Allied Powers were no more "foreigners" than the Sultan, or General Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, first President of the Republic of Turkey.

(SIDEBAR)

Most Palestinian Land Owners, at the time of the Mandate of Palestine, owed their ownership to the 1858 land reform legislation, by the Ottoman Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate, it could not have been Palestine as it had no governing body of its own


The various groups that lived in the area that did not yet have any government. These groups included Jews, Christians, arab nomads and itinerant arab workers.

As explained the only outside influence on the arabs was that of the arab league.

They had the chance of national independence and sovereignty and turned it down until 1988 when they saw they were losing everything.

And if they had no homes then were do they go

Which they have and still they attack their neighbours, showing that they are not capable of any form of self determination.

Actually, there was a Government and according to the 1922 British census resident Muslims and Christians were over 80% and Jews about 12% of the population.

"The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]
The reported population was 757,182, including the military and persons of foreign nationality. The division into religious groups was 590,390 Muslims, 83,694 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 808 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans.[2]"

1922 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 1931 British census the overall population increased 36.8% but the Jewish population increased by 108.4% through immigration. But Muslims and Christians remained close to 80% of the population as late as 1931.

"The total population reported was 1,035,821 (1,033,314 excluding the numbers of H.M. Forces)[2] – an increase of 36.8% since 1922, of which the Jewish population increased by 108.4%.[1]

The population was divided by religion as follows: 759,717 Muslims, 174,610 Jews, 91,398 Christians, 9,148 Druzes, 350 Bahais, 182 Samaritans, and 421 "no religion".[3]

1931 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suffice it to say, you are full of it and are just spewing Zionist propaganda which is not supported by facts and is in fact opposite of what the facts are.


It was never intended that the Jews establish a state for Jews in Palestine as the British White Paper of 1939 clearly states. You people have brainwashed and refuse to read source material so it is no surprise you rarely know what you are talking about. From the 1939 White Paper:

"It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration. But, with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. That Palestine was not to be converted into a Jewish State might be held to be implied in the passage from the Command Paper of 1922 which reads as follows

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.......The objective of His Majesty's Government is the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine State in such treaty relations with the United Kingdom as will provide satisfactorily for the commercial and strategic requirements of both countries in the future. The proposal for the establishment of the independent State would involve consultation with the Council of the League of Nations with a view to the termination of the Mandate.

The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded."


The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939

I would hope that this would shut you no nothings up with respect to the reason why the Christians and Muslims of Palestine believe they were betrayed and continue to fight so fervently for the return of their homes.

 

[Phoenall]

More smoke, Rocco?

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Your other two links only apply to Turkey's new borders. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Key words: "in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations"

A trusteeship is the manager of another's property. And whose property was the mandate managing?

​

Indeed.

​

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate, it could not have been Palestine as it had no governing body of its own


The various groups that lived in the area that did not yet have any government. These groups included Jews, Christians, arab nomads and itinerant arab workers.

As explained the only outside influence on the arabs was that of the arab league.

They had the chance of national independence and sovereignty and turned it down until 1988 when they saw they were losing everything.

And if they had no homes then were do they go

Which they have and still they attack their neighbours, showing that they are not capable of any form of self determination.

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate,

Where did you get that lie?

From the LoN minutes, unless you can produce irrefutable evidence that the arab muslims had a state of their own with a ruling government and a head of state at the time the mandate came into place ?

So simple to use the LIES of an ISLAMONAZI until you are asked to substantiate his LIES from another source. Try reading the San Remo Conference notes that explain what is actually meant, same with the rest of the treaties you abuse.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici; et al,

I guess I'm having a senior moment.

No Rocky, there is no solution unless Israel, which has the power, decides to negotiate an equitable agreement.

(COMMENT)

Who decides what is an "equitable agreement?" The key is reasonable compromise.


(COMMENT)

"The establishment of a sovereign state for non-Jews" was set forth by the General Assembly adoption of Resolution 181(II) in Part II Section "A" describing the "Arab State." However this was rejected by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) at the direction of the Arab League.

Maybe I'm confused.



It seems to me that it is the Palestinians that "want control over the whole of Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. During the British Mandate in Palestine, children from Najd attended school in the nearby village of Simsim.

Under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, in 1596, Najd formed part nahiya (subdistrict) of Gaza under the liwa' (district) of Gaza with a population of 215. It paid taxes on a number of crops, including wheat, barley and fruit, as well as on goats, beehives and vineyards.[8]

Cultivated lands in the village in 1944-45 included a total of 10 dunums allocated for citrus and bananas and 11,916 dunums for cereals. An additional 511 dunums were irrigated or used for orchards. The population at this time was 620.[12][15]

On 13 May 1948, (before the start of the 1948 war) Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What rights do these people have?

What compromises should they make?

The same as any other militia group that fought against another groups self determination.

To lay down their arms and meet for peace talks with their neighbours as detailed in 242.

 

[José]

The Palestinians are not the surrender type. You have to admire them for that.

Perhaps it is Israel who should surrender.

Then the Palestinians have lost and will never have any peace.

The Palestinians have already surrendered by being so weak and incapable of doing anything to hurt Israel, and the sooner they realize that they've already given up, the faster they can all move on with their lives and live in peace and prosper.

Hey buddy...

Palestinians surely didn't realize their "defeat" fast enough to save us both, poor NYC skyscrappers!!

 

[Phoenall]

More smoke, Rocco?

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Your other two links only apply to Turkey's new borders. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Key words: "in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations"

A trusteeship is the manager of another's property. And whose property was the mandate managing?

​

Indeed.

​

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate, it could not have been Palestine as it had no governing body of its own


The various groups that lived in the area that did not yet have any government. These groups included Jews, Christians, arab nomads and itinerant arab workers.

As explained the only outside influence on the arabs was that of the arab league.

They had the chance of national independence and sovereignty and turned it down until 1988 when they saw they were losing everything.

And if they had no homes then were do they go

Which they have and still they attack their neighbours, showing that they are not capable of any form of self determination.

Actually, there was a Government and according to the 1922 British census resident Muslims and Christians were over 80% and Jews about 12% of the population.

"The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]
The reported population was 757,182, including the military and persons of foreign nationality. The division into religious groups was 590,390 Muslims, 83,694 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 808 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans.[2]"

1922 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 1931 British census the overall population increased 36.8% but the Jewish population increased by 108.4% through immigration. But Muslims and Christians remained close to 80% of the population as late as 1931.

"The total population reported was 1,035,821 (1,033,314 excluding the numbers of H.M. Forces)[2] – an increase of 36.8% since 1922, of which the Jewish population increased by 108.4%.[1]

The population was divided by religion as follows: 759,717 Muslims, 174,610 Jews, 91,398 Christians, 9,148 Druzes, 350 Bahais, 182 Samaritans, and 421 "no religion".[3]

1931 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suffice it to say, you are full of it and are just spewing Zionist propaganda which is not supported by facts and is in fact opposite of what the facts are.


It was never intended that the Jews establish a state for Jews in Palestine as the British White Paper of 1939 clearly states. You people have brainwashed and refuse to read source material so it is no surprise you rarely know what you are talking about. From the 1939 White Paper:

"It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration. But, with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. That Palestine was not to be converted into a Jewish State might be held to be implied in the passage from the Command Paper of 1922 which reads as follows

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.......The objective of His Majesty's Government is the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine State in such treaty relations with the United Kingdom as will provide satisfactorily for the commercial and strategic requirements of both countries in the future. The proposal for the establishment of the independent State would involve consultation with the Council of the League of Nations with a view to the termination of the Mandate.

The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded."


The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939

I would hope that this would shut you no nothings up with respect to the reason why the Christians and Muslims of Palestine believe they were betrayed and continue to fight so fervently for the return of their homes.

And if you read your own link it tells you it is the British government
The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]


All well and good but an increase of 108% of 1,000 is only 1,008, an increase of 36% of 760,000 is 273,498 so you do the real sums.


No I am posting from reliable unbiased sources unlike your ISLAMONAZI sources that are full of LIES


The white paper was not LAW just a proposal that did not get past its first reading, so was shelved. And the LoN mandate over ruled anything the British government tried to put in place. So maybe you should try taking heed of your own words for once. The MANDATE stated that the Jews were to have a homeland in Palestine, the British government could not change the rules to suit their ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATREDS.

 

[aris2chat]

More smoke, Rocco?

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Your other two links only apply to Turkey's new borders. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


Key words: "in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations"

A trusteeship is the manager of another's property. And whose property was the mandate managing?

​

Indeed.

​

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate, it could not have been Palestine as it had no governing body of its own


The various groups that lived in the area that did not yet have any government. These groups included Jews, Christians, arab nomads and itinerant arab workers.

As explained the only outside influence on the arabs was that of the arab league.

They had the chance of national independence and sovereignty and turned it down until 1988 when they saw they were losing everything.

And if they had no homes then were do they go

Which they have and still they attack their neighbours, showing that they are not capable of any form of self determination.

Actually, there was a Government and according to the 1922 British census resident Muslims and Christians were over 80% and Jews about 12% of the population.

"The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]
The reported population was 757,182, including the military and persons of foreign nationality. The division into religious groups was 590,390 Muslims, 83,694 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 808 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans.[2]"

1922 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 1931 British census the overall population increased 36.8% but the Jewish population increased by 108.4% through immigration. But Muslims and Christians remained close to 80% of the population as late as 1931.

"The total population reported was 1,035,821 (1,033,314 excluding the numbers of H.M. Forces)[2] – an increase of 36.8% since 1922, of which the Jewish population increased by 108.4%.[1]

The population was divided by religion as follows: 759,717 Muslims, 174,610 Jews, 91,398 Christians, 9,148 Druzes, 350 Bahais, 182 Samaritans, and 421 "no religion".[3]

1931 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suffice it to say, you are full of it and are just spewing Zionist propaganda which is not supported by facts and is in fact opposite of what the facts are.


It was never intended that the Jews establish a state for Jews in Palestine as the British White Paper of 1939 clearly states. You people have brainwashed and refuse to read source material so it is no surprise you rarely know what you are talking about. From the 1939 White Paper:

"It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration. But, with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. That Palestine was not to be converted into a Jewish State might be held to be implied in the passage from the Command Paper of 1922 which reads as follows

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.......The objective of His Majesty's Government is the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine State in such treaty relations with the United Kingdom as will provide satisfactorily for the commercial and strategic requirements of both countries in the future. The proposal for the establishment of the independent State would involve consultation with the Council of the League of Nations with a view to the termination of the Mandate.

The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded."


The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939

I would hope that this would shut you no nothings up with respect to the reason why the Christians and Muslims of Palestine believe they were betrayed and continue to fight so fervently for the return of their homes.

Followed by arab massacres, sieges and other attacks on jews in the mandate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And as you have been told the state was Britain under the mandate, it could not have been Palestine as it had no governing body of its own


The various groups that lived in the area that did not yet have any government. These groups included Jews, Christians, arab nomads and itinerant arab workers.

As explained the only outside influence on the arabs was that of the arab league.

They had the chance of national independence and sovereignty and turned it down until 1988 when they saw they were losing everything.

And if they had no homes then were do they go

Which they have and still they attack their neighbours, showing that they are not capable of any form of self determination.

Actually, there was a Government and according to the 1922 British census resident Muslims and Christians were over 80% and Jews about 12% of the population.

"The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]
The reported population was 757,182, including the military and persons of foreign nationality. The division into religious groups was 590,390 Muslims, 83,694 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 808 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans.[2]"

1922 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 1931 British census the overall population increased 36.8% but the Jewish population increased by 108.4% through immigration. But Muslims and Christians remained close to 80% of the population as late as 1931.

"The total population reported was 1,035,821 (1,033,314 excluding the numbers of H.M. Forces)[2] – an increase of 36.8% since 1922, of which the Jewish population increased by 108.4%.[1]

The population was divided by religion as follows: 759,717 Muslims, 174,610 Jews, 91,398 Christians, 9,148 Druzes, 350 Bahais, 182 Samaritans, and 421 "no religion".[3]

1931 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suffice it to say, you are full of it and are just spewing Zionist propaganda which is not supported by facts and is in fact opposite of what the facts are.


It was never intended that the Jews establish a state for Jews in Palestine as the British White Paper of 1939 clearly states. You people have brainwashed and refuse to read source material so it is no surprise you rarely know what you are talking about. From the 1939 White Paper:

"It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration. But, with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. That Palestine was not to be converted into a Jewish State might be held to be implied in the passage from the Command Paper of 1922 which reads as follows

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.......The objective of His Majesty's Government is the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine State in such treaty relations with the United Kingdom as will provide satisfactorily for the commercial and strategic requirements of both countries in the future. The proposal for the establishment of the independent State would involve consultation with the Council of the League of Nations with a view to the termination of the Mandate.

The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded."


The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939

I would hope that this would shut you no nothings up with respect to the reason why the Christians and Muslims of Palestine believe they were betrayed and continue to fight so fervently for the return of their homes.

And if you read your own link it tells you it is the British government
The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]


All well and good but an increase of 108% of 1,000 is only 1,008, an increase of 36% of 760,000 is 273,498 so you do the real sums.


No I am posting from reliable unbiased sources unlike your ISLAMONAZI sources that are full of LIES


The white paper was not LAW just a proposal that did not get past its first reading, so was shelved. And the LoN mandate over ruled anything the British government tried to put in place. So maybe you should try taking heed of your own words for once. The MANDATE stated that the Jews were to have a homeland in Palestine, the British government could not change the rules to suit their ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATREDS.

The White Paper was not a proposal. It was a clarification. It merely defined the purpose of the mandate.

 

[José]

Originally posted by aris2chat
Followed by arab massacres, sieges and other attacks on jews in the mandate.

During the 20's, 30's and 40's the palestinian people would love to give a humane treatment to all those Russians, Ukrainians and Poles with 0 right to live in Palestine who were destroying their homeland's ethnic make-up without their consent, turning them into a minority in their own land.

They would love to be in charge of their own homeland so they could organize an immigration agency that would deport those illegal immigrants in a humane fashion just like the US government does with hundreds of thousands of haitians, mexicans etc, etc... every single day arriving in the US by boat, plane, vehicles, etc, etc...

Unfortunately, in case you haven't noticed, the palestinian people were at the time under the boot of a foreign military occupation that put them down everytime they tried to exercise the same right other peoples around the world like the american people take for granted.

The right to preserve the ethnic make-up of one's own homeland, the right to exercise sovereignty over their homeland.

The fault for the palestinian attacks on the european invaders living in their land without their consent falls squarely on the foreign power's usurpation (through brute force) of their right to govern their own homeland.

And history proved them right....

The invaders did split their homeland and have been murdering them when they try to move about their homeland ever since.