I will not Bow!

[P F Tinmore]

pbel, et al,

I think you got it!

Among the issues that the Mandatory Power had to deal with, particularly after the end of the Second World War, was the question of a proposed Jewish home in Palestine. Increasing Jewish immigration had been consistently opposed by the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, who in the mid-1940s comprised about two thirds of the territory’s population of 2 million.

EPILOG: This revised edition of “The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” reflects a number of milestones and events through the end of 2007. Foremost among these was the passage of 60 years since the adoption by the General Assembly in 1947 of resolution 181 (II), providing for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in the former Mandate territory of Palestine, with a special status for the holy city of Jerusalem.

Oh I wouldn't say that!


(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

(COMMENT)

The "Zionist" did not recruit the assistance of any "Colonial Powers." The "Allied Powers" made the determination that it was in the best interest to the protection of the Jewish Culture.

"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes." (Article 4, San Remo Convention).

It wasn't an invasion, but an agreement decided on 24 April 1920 by the Principal Allied Powers in "giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." Does that make it "OK?" Yes sir-ree (three bags full)!

As previously stated, some years later, the UN adopted General Assembly in 1947 of Resolution 181 (II), which gave the Jewish State form and substance. The Arab Higher Committee declined to participate.

Thus, following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the UN General Assembly, Israel reached the point to Declare such Independence.

It was the foreign intervention and influence of the Arab League that created the subsequence belligerent behaviors that lead us to the current ground truth.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are a hoot, Rocco.

What ever happened to the right to self determination without external interference?

The only thing you post is what foreigners did.

 

[Phoenall]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you mean like the arab muslims did so they could invade Palestine and take the land from the Palestinians ?

 

[Phoenall]

Don't like seeing the truth about your hero's the muslims and their brutality in taking over the world . Over 1,000 very young girls have been raped and forced into prostitution in the UK by muslim men, by very young I mean 11 and 12 year olds. How muslims are the real problem in the world and displace indigenous populations by violent means and then institute apartheid and oppression.
IT IS NOT IARAEL DOING THIS BUT ISLAM.

If it is so prevalent, then you should have no trouble providing evidence to back up those claims.

If you can't, then you're just another racist asshole, shooting his big mouth off!

Do you mean like this shit for brains

MUSLIM GROOMING / PAEDO MAP | Kafir Crusaders

Child sex slave gangs in EVERY city in Britain: Thames Valley Police chief's warning after Oxford grooming horror - Mirror Online

» 500 Muslim Sex Grooming Cases In 6 Months

 

[Phoenall]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!


(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco always forgets that part because might makes right then history corrects that mistake in time...Always has always will...

Just as you always forget the mass arab muslim immigration into Palestine prior to 1948, and how the arab league forced Britain to block Jewish immigration demanded by the mandate

 

[toastman]

pbel, et al,

I think you got it!

Among the issues that the Mandatory Power had to deal with, particularly after the end of the Second World War, was the question of a proposed Jewish home in Palestine. Increasing Jewish immigration had been consistently opposed by the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, who in the mid-1940s comprised about two thirds of the territory’s population of 2 million.

EPILOG: This revised edition of “The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” reflects a number of milestones and events through the end of 2007. Foremost among these was the passage of 60 years since the adoption by the General Assembly in 1947 of resolution 181 (II), providing for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in the former Mandate territory of Palestine, with a special status for the holy city of Jerusalem.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

(COMMENT)

The "Zionist" did not recruit the assistance of any "Colonial Powers." The "Allied Powers" made the determination that it was in the best interest to the protection of the Jewish Culture.

"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes." (Article 4, San Remo Convention).

It wasn't an invasion, but an agreement decided on 24 April 1920 by the Principal Allied Powers in "giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." Does that make it "OK?" Yes sir-ree (three bags full)!

As previously stated, some years later, the UN adopted General Assembly in 1947 of Resolution 181 (II), which gave the Jewish State form and substance. The Arab Higher Committee declined to participate.

Thus, following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the UN General Assembly, Israel reached the point to Declare such Independence.

It was the foreign intervention and influence of the Arab League that created the subsequence belligerent behaviors that lead us to the current ground truth.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are a hoot, Rocco.

What ever happened to the right to self determination without external interference?

The only thing you post is what foreigners did.

Actually Tinmore, it is YOU who is a hoot. You didn't refute one thing that Rocco said.
What does it matter what foreigners did?? It's not like Palestine belonged to the Palestinian Arabs or anything. Forgot about that little fact now did you?

 

[toastman]

Pbel and Tinmore simply cannot handle the fact that Jewish Immigration to Palestine was not an invasion , but part of the mandate, and that their immigration was not only encouraged, but fascilitated as well.
Without their 'Jewish invasion' lie, their entire bullshit agenda would crumble.

 

[Hossfly]

Pbel and Tinmore simply cannot handle the fact that Jewish Immigration to Palestine was not an invasion , but part of the mandate, and that their immigration was not only encouraged, but fascilitated as well.
Without their 'Jewish invasion' lie, their entire bullshit agenda would crumble.

I wonder what Tinmore and the ilk imagine Palestine would look like today if the Jews hadn't come to their paradise?

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

I think you got it!

Among the issues that the Mandatory Power had to deal with, particularly after the end of the Second World War, was the question of a proposed Jewish home in Palestine. Increasing Jewish immigration had been consistently opposed by the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, who in the mid-1940s comprised about two thirds of the territory’s population of 2 million.

EPILOG: This revised edition of “The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” reflects a number of milestones and events through the end of 2007. Foremost among these was the passage of 60 years since the adoption by the General Assembly in 1947 of resolution 181 (II), providing for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in the former Mandate territory of Palestine, with a special status for the holy city of Jerusalem.

Oh I wouldn't say that!


(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

(COMMENT)

The "Zionist" did not recruit the assistance of any "Colonial Powers." The "Allied Powers" made the determination that it was in the best interest to the protection of the Jewish Culture.

"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes." (Article 4, San Remo Convention).

It wasn't an invasion, but an agreement decided on 24 April 1920 by the Principal Allied Powers in "giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." Does that make it "OK?" Yes sir-ree (three bags full)!

As previously stated, some years later, the UN adopted General Assembly in 1947 of Resolution 181 (II), which gave the Jewish State form and substance. The Arab Higher Committee declined to participate.

Thus, following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the UN General Assembly, Israel reached the point to Declare such Independence.

It was the foreign intervention and influence of the Arab League that created the subsequence belligerent behaviors that lead us to the current ground truth.

Most Respectfully,
R

Whoopi Doo!!! The very same Powers that refused Jewish refugees, turning away the EXODUS, using Power of Might to solve the problem they created into the midst of harms way onto someone else's land....

Let's root for Russia in Crimea, won't we?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The "without external interference" clause doesn't apply to "outside her (Turkish) frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers" (Part III, Section XIII, Treaty of Sevres) or the territory "from the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey" (Part I, Section I, Treaty of Lausanne); or "the frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921."

You are a hoot, Rocco.

What ever happened to the right to self determination without external interference?

The only thing you post is what foreigners did.

(COMMENT)

In the most lame sense, the Allied Powers, being alien to this described territory, which includes present day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, the 1988 Palestine, and Iraq, could be considered "foreigners" to the layman. But in reality, the Allied Powers assumed (in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations) all the sovereign powers forfeited by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Government having previously maintained sovereignty for 6 Centuries. It was the Allied Powers that impressed the protections of civil and religious rights over the indigenous populations. And it was the Allied Powers that stipulated what those rights were, just as the UN has done and refined over the last half century.

The Allied Powers were no more "foreigners" than the Sultan, or General Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, first President of the Republic of Turkey.

(SIDEBAR)

Most Palestinian Land Owners, at the time of the Mandate of Palestine, owed their ownership to the 1858 land reform legislation, by the Ottoman Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

pbel, et al,

I think you got it!

Among the issues that the Mandatory Power had to deal with, particularly after the end of the Second World War, was the question of a proposed Jewish home in Palestine. Increasing Jewish immigration had been consistently opposed by the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, who in the mid-1940s comprised about two thirds of the territory’s population of 2 million.

EPILOG: This revised edition of “The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” reflects a number of milestones and events through the end of 2007. Foremost among these was the passage of 60 years since the adoption by the General Assembly in 1947 of resolution 181 (II), providing for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in the former Mandate territory of Palestine, with a special status for the holy city of Jerusalem.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

(COMMENT)

The "Zionist" did not recruit the assistance of any "Colonial Powers." The "Allied Powers" made the determination that it was in the best interest to the protection of the Jewish Culture.

"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes." (Article 4, San Remo Convention).

It wasn't an invasion, but an agreement decided on 24 April 1920 by the Principal Allied Powers in "giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." Does that make it "OK?" Yes sir-ree (three bags full)!

As previously stated, some years later, the UN adopted General Assembly in 1947 of Resolution 181 (II), which gave the Jewish State form and substance. The Arab Higher Committee declined to participate.

Thus, following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the UN General Assembly, Israel reached the point to Declare such Independence.

It was the foreign intervention and influence of the Arab League that created the subsequence belligerent behaviors that lead us to the current ground truth.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are a hoot, Rocco.

What ever happened to the right to self determination without external interference?

The only thing you post is what foreigners did.

And the only people that interfered with their right of self determination were the arab league. The Mandated powers didn't interfere at all as they allowed the arab muslims to flood the country with iilegal immigrants. They did interfere with the Jews right of free determination by breaching the rules of the mandate when they blocked the Jews from migrating to Palestine.

 

[pbel]

Pbel and Tinmore simply cannot handle the fact that Jewish Immigration to Palestine was not an invasion , but part of the mandate, and that their immigration was not only encouraged, but fascilitated as well.
Without their 'Jewish invasion' lie, their entire bullshit agenda would crumble.

I wonder what Tinmore and the ilk imagine Palestine would look like today if the Jews hadn't come to their paradise?

We would not have endured 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Boston Marathon Bombings, the present mess in the ME.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The "without external interference" clause doesn't apply to "outside her (Turkish) frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers" (Part III, Section XIII, Treaty of Sevres) or the territory "from the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey" (Part I, Section I, Treaty of Lausanne); or "the frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921."

More smoke, Rocco?

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Your other two links only apply to Turkey's new borders. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

You are a hoot, Rocco.

What ever happened to the right to self determination without external interference?

The only thing you post is what foreigners did.

(COMMENT)

In the most lame sense, the Allied Powers, being alien to this described territory, which includes present day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, the 1988 Palestine, and Iraq, could be considered "foreigners" to the layman. But in reality, the Allied Powers assumed (in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations) all the sovereign powers forfeited by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Government having previously maintained sovereignty for 6 Centuries.

Key words: "in trusteeship managed by the Council-League of Nations"

A trusteeship is the manager of another's property. And whose property was the mandate managing?

SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Lausanne Treaty: Part I

It was the Allied Powers that impressed the protections of civil and religious rights over the indigenous populations. And it was the Allied Powers that stipulated what those rights were, just as the UN has done and refined over the last half century.

Indeed.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

3. Emphasizes that full respect for and the realization of these inalienable rights of the Palestinian people are indispensable for the solution of the question of Palestine;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

The Allied Powers were no more "foreigners" than the Sultan, or General Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, first President of the Republic of Turkey.

(SIDEBAR)

Most Palestinian Land Owners, at the time of the Mandate of Palestine, owed their ownership to the 1858 land reform legislation, by the Ottoman Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Oh please Tinmore, you of all people can't accuse others of blowing smoke.
You seem to always use that term when you simple can't handle the truth that Rocco speaks, or not able to refute what he said.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh please Tinmore, you of all people can't accuse others of blowing smoke.
You seem to always use that term when you simple can't handle the truth that Rocco speaks, or not able to refute what he said.

So then, why did Rocco post a whole paragraph of irrelevance if not to confuse the issue?

 

[MHunterB]

Gee, it would begin to be possible to consider pbel's and tinny's accounts of ME history as not totally one-sided and prejudiced to the max, if only either of them would just once acknowledge the conspiracy by the Arab League nations to engage in ethnic cleansing of Jewish citizenry from their nations - stealing an area of land FOUR TIMES the size of Israel in the process.....

I am becoming more convinced with every post by each of them, that they only bother themselves to care about ethnic cleansing, land theft, abuse of *indigenous* populations and so on, when the purported 'aggressors' are likely to be Jews.

Their exclusive focus on wrongs purportedly *by* Jews - and the persistent 'invisbility' in their narrative of wrongs *inflicted* on Jews - is potent evidence of a considerable deep-seated bias in their view.

 

[toastman]

Oh please Tinmore, you of all people can't accuse others of blowing smoke.
You seem to always use that term when you simple can't handle the truth that Rocco speaks, or not able to refute what he said.

So then, why did Rocco post a whole paragraph of irrelevance if not to confuse the issue?

You should be thanking him, not criticizing him for all he's taught you. He obviously puts effort in his posts

 

[MHunterB]

Oh please Tinmore, you of all people can't accuse others of blowing smoke.
You seem to always use that term when you simple can't handle the truth that Rocco speaks, or not able to refute what he said.

So then, why did Rocco post a whole paragraph of irrelevance if not to confuse the issue?

He didn't: you are persistently seeking to derail this thread and indulge in your usual rants against anyone who doesn't share your completely one-sided view. It's boring and predictable.....

 

[MHunterB]

Oh please Tinmore, you of all people can't accuse others of blowing smoke.
You seem to always use that term when you simple can't handle the truth that Rocco speaks, or not able to refute what he said.

So then, why did Rocco post a whole paragraph of irrelevance if not to confuse the issue?

You should be thanking him, not criticizing him for all he's taught you. He obviously puts effort in his posts

Very true: Rocco makes a notable effort to be accurate and thorough. He also assiduously avoids the name-calling and snide insults which are a perennial irritation around here......

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gee, it would begin to be possible to consider pbel's and tinny's accounts of ME history as not totally one-sided and prejudiced to the max, if only either of them would just once acknowledge the conspiracy by the Arab League nations to engage in ethnic cleansing of Jewish citizenry from their nations - stealing an area of land FOUR TIMES the size of Israel in the process.....

I am becoming more convinced with every post by each of them, that they only bother themselves to care about ethnic cleansing, land theft, abuse of *indigenous* populations and so on, when the purported 'aggressors' are likely to be Jews.

Their exclusive focus on wrongs purportedly *by* Jews - and the persistent 'invisbility' in their narrative of wrongs *inflicted* on Jews - is potent evidence of a considerable deep-seated bias in their view.

Not true!

I have endorsed many times, openly and publicly, the right of return for the Jews.

It is, however, a totally separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian refugee problem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So then, why did Rocco post a whole paragraph of irrelevance if not to confuse the issue?

You should be thanking him, not criticizing him for all he's taught you. He obviously puts effort in his posts

Very true: Rocco makes a notable effort to be accurate and thorough. He also assiduously avoids the name-calling and snide insults which are a perennial irritation around here......

Indeed, Rocco brings value to this board. I have personally gained from his posts.

Unlike those who just call names, throw stones, and give out negative reps.