I will not Bow!

[pbel]

: )) LOL. I'm not the one who's several times posted bowdlerized versions of Dante to seek to harass other posters.

Nor am I one of those whining wankers who went about from thread to thread to disrupt threads simply because someone they'd taken a dislike to was posting there.

Nor did I opt out of the rep system and make many posts about how other posters has allegedly colluded against me.

Let's face it, Pbel - you are the one who's obsessed. And you are also lying. Now wipe your sniveling little nose, and make some posts on the actual topic of this thread already. Something that's not rife with logic errors like the 'appeal to numbers' drivel .......

Since when do sovereign nations have to check their internal policies with the US or anyone else?

If you'd even once complained about KSA *outlawing* any religion other than Islam, not allowing women to drive, etc, etc - or condemned the Arab League nations for their conspiracy to despoil and eject their Jewish citizenry en masse - or expressed disgust at the murder and enslavement of fellow citizens by the Sudanese Muslim militias - then you MIGHT have some hope of being taken seriously when you piss and moan about Israel's government......

Your "concern" is so exclusively one-sided, it cannot be taken seriously or considered honest.

Oh, poor Marg didn't like my poem because it pointed out Israeli brutalities supported by posters like her...You complain about Muslims world-wide because of your bigotry born with the creation of a Zionist State out of Arab Lands.

The Arabs didn't ask Zionism to displace them. You live on their turf and its a tough neighborhood that you chose. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It is about Right and Wrong.

And Israel is now the toughest one in the neighborhood.
As for the displacing of Palestinians, you and the Palestinians themselves can blame the surrounding Arab states, as a large majority of Palestinians became refugees during the 1948 Arab Israeli war and the 6 day war.
Whoops!! Weren't you one of those idiots who said the Arab states in 1948 were not trying to "drive the Jews to the sea", but to 'help' the Palestinians?
Some help, ay Pbel??

And now Pbel, those refugees will NEVER be allowed to return.
Double whoops!

Hey, I can't blame you for your bravado and boasts of how tough Israel is today...It's absolutely true. It is also true that without peace Israel will eventually become exhausted, like all invaders that preceded her...Numbers toast is what drives human dynamics, in time they will succeed.

Peace and hope through extensive trading or isolation from humanity. Its Israel's choice.

 

[Hossfly]

Oh, poor Marg didn't like my poem because it pointed out Israeli brutalities supported by posters like her...You complain about Muslims world-wide because of your bigotry born with the creation of a Zionist State out of Arab Lands.

The Arabs didn't ask Zionism to displace them. You live on their turf and its a tough neighborhood that you chose. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It is about Right and Wrong.

And Israel is now the toughest one in the neighborhood.
As for the displacing of Palestinians, you and the Palestinians themselves can blame the surrounding Arab states, as a large majority of Palestinians became refugees during the 1948 Arab Israeli war and the 6 day war.
Whoops!! Weren't you one of those idiots who said the Arab states in 1948 were not trying to "drive the Jews to the sea", but to 'help' the Palestinians?
Some help, ay Pbel??

And now Pbel, those refugees will NEVER be allowed to return.
Double whoops!

Hey, I can't blame you for your bravado and boasts of how tough Israel is today...It's absolutely true. It is also true that without peace Israel will eventually become exhausted, like all invaders that preceded her...Numbers toast is what drives human dynamics, in time they will succeed.

Peace and hope through extensive trading or isolation from humanity. Its Israel's choice.

These days, peace is obtained thru superior firepower. That's the law now.

 

[Sally]

: )) LOL. I'm not the one who's several times posted bowdlerized versions of Dante to seek to harass other posters.

Nor am I one of those whining wankers who went about from thread to thread to disrupt threads simply because someone they'd taken a dislike to was posting there.

Nor did I opt out of the rep system and make many posts about how other posters has allegedly colluded against me.

Let's face it, Pbel - you are the one who's obsessed. And you are also lying. Now wipe your sniveling little nose, and make some posts on the actual topic of this thread already. Something that's not rife with logic errors like the 'appeal to numbers' drivel .......

Since when do sovereign nations have to check their internal policies with the US or anyone else?

If you'd even once complained about KSA *outlawing* any religion other than Islam, not allowing women to drive, etc, etc - or condemned the Arab League nations for their conspiracy to despoil and eject their Jewish citizenry en masse - or expressed disgust at the murder and enslavement of fellow citizens by the Sudanese Muslim militias - then you MIGHT have some hope of being taken seriously when you piss and moan about Israel's government......

Your "concern" is so exclusively one-sided, it cannot be taken seriously or considered honest.

Oh, poor Marg didn't like my poem because it pointed out Israeli brutalities supported by posters like her...You complain about Muslims world-wide because of your bigotry born with the creation of a Zionist State out of Arab Lands.

The Arabs didn't ask Zionism to displace them. You live on their turf and its a tough neighborhood that you chose. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It is about Right and Wrong.

We Zionists swear by the Exodus, Peebles.

So many atrocities are happening to Arabs in the other Middle East countries, and yet Pbel doesn't seem at all interested (nor has he ever been) in what is befalling so many innocent Arabs, both Muslims and Christians alike, in places like Syria and Iraq. He has only been obsessed with Israel/Palestine, and I think by now most people have figured out why.

 

[MHunterB]

Way to avoid any real discussion of anything resembling the topic, l'il pbel........ I didn't like your 'poetry' because it offended me to see someone bowdlerizing Dante. And all for a petty online vendetta he chooses to pursue year after year even against posters who aren't on this site.

The Land of Israel is not 'the Arabs' turf' - any responsible Muslim would explain to you that the world is YHVH's/Allah's AND acknowledge that He gave us the deed to that one tiny corner of it. If you read the original text, YHVH instructs Joshua to avoid bothering this, that and the other local tribes because He (YHVH) has set aside certain lands for them as well.

Twenty-odd states isn't enough for my cousins the Ishmaelites? The 'Palestinians' (aka southern Syrians) want another one - fine, they should have it. Absolutely. They just can't have Tel Aviv, Haifa or the Western Wall - all of which they have demanded.

If the greedy pigs of the AL "leadership" really gave a frog's fart about their dearly beloved Palestinian brethren - those pigs stole an area FOUR TIMES the size of Israel from my Mizrachi relatives. Let the AL give *that* to the Palestinians.

 

[MHunterB]

"Zionism" didn't displace the poor Palestinians: the greed of their kleptocratic "leaders" AND that of the AL "leadership" who hatched the plans to wipe out Israel back before the state was even declared did that. They TOLD the Palestinans to leave for a couple of weeks at most, then after the five Arab armies had over-run and forced out (murdered en masse) all the Jews - they could come back and have their property PLUS .....

The fact that there are 20% + Arab Christians and Muslims who are Israeli citizens and vote and serve in the government - including the military! - argues louder than all your commotion that there is no "apartheid" or "racism" inherent in Zionism.

Would that the same could be said of "Arab Nationalism", the false god which was the excuse for plundering just under a million Mizrachi Jews from places they'd lived for up to 2600 years.........

As long as the PLO/PA and HAMAS and Hezbullah have that filth in their Charters about killing all the Jews, they are WRONG - and supporting any of them is WRONG, too.

If only there were some "Arab Nationalists" whose ideas were rooted in love of their people, rather than hatred for another........ then maybe there'd be peace because that does take two.

 

[Phoenall]

Marg, I'm no bigot, how can you defend these words from Phoenall? Sure sounds like a Goebbels to me...There are many Zionists who offer solutions akin to Nazis...Murder with a silent klick sounds Nazi-like don't you at least agree to that?

Phoenall: Just better informed than you are, and will ever be. Just as I know that high powered narrow beam microwave RF is being developed that will fry a person from 1 klick. Silent invisible and no marks, the perfect weapon

Pbel, please do stop trying to deny your bigotry. I think everyone here has seen enough of your posts to know the truth.

And trying to pin the Nazi-LIKE label on anyone else doesn't change the shit-flinging you've been doing since I arrived here. I am beginning to suspect you really are psychotic in the actual meaning of the word, unconnected to reality.

I sincerely hope you get some help. But I am unable to help you now. Rest assured, though, that in the unlikely event that you ARE ever correct, I will make it known that I agree : ))

Let's face it Marg, if anyone has a psychological abnormality, it is your obsession of time on these boards and calling everyone who disagrees with Israeli oppression of unarmed civilians an anti-Semite to the point that it has no effect or meaning.

If you looked at current world events, very few if any country on earth agrees with Israeli Policies not even America...It is not pbel that condemns her policies, but the known world, are they all anti-Semites or is it your obsessive compulsive behavior to scream out "anti-Semites" like chicken Little?

Not very good at deflection are you, going from your problem with reality to an all out attack on Israel.
Nice try wont fly

 

[Phoenall]

: )) LOL. I'm not the one who's several times posted bowdlerized versions of Dante to seek to harass other posters.

Nor am I one of those whining wankers who went about from thread to thread to disrupt threads simply because someone they'd taken a dislike to was posting there.

Nor did I opt out of the rep system and make many posts about how other posters has allegedly colluded against me.

Let's face it, Pbel - you are the one who's obsessed. And you are also lying. Now wipe your sniveling little nose, and make some posts on the actual topic of this thread already. Something that's not rife with logic errors like the 'appeal to numbers' drivel .......

Since when do sovereign nations have to check their internal policies with the US or anyone else?

If you'd even once complained about KSA *outlawing* any religion other than Islam, not allowing women to drive, etc, etc - or condemned the Arab League nations for their conspiracy to despoil and eject their Jewish citizenry en masse - or expressed disgust at the murder and enslavement of fellow citizens by the Sudanese Muslim militias - then you MIGHT have some hope of being taken seriously when you piss and moan about Israel's government......

Your "concern" is so exclusively one-sided, it cannot be taken seriously or considered honest.

Oh, poor Marg didn't like my poem because it pointed out Israeli brutalities supported by posters like her...You complain about Muslims world-wide because of your bigotry born with the creation of a Zionist State out of Arab Lands.

The Arabs didn't ask Zionism to displace them. You live on their turf and its a tough neighborhood that you chose. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It is about Right and Wrong.

The Jews didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The British didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The French didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Swedes didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Sudanese didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Indians did not ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT IN BRINGING UP ZIONISTS ALL THE TIME

 

[Billo_Really]

The Jews didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The British didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The French didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Swedes didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Sudanese didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Indians did not ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT IN BRINGING UP ZIONISTS ALL THE TIME

What's your point posting pithy little phrases that mean nothing at all?

 

[Phoenall]

Oh, poor Marg didn't like my poem because it pointed out Israeli brutalities supported by posters like her...You complain about Muslims world-wide because of your bigotry born with the creation of a Zionist State out of Arab Lands.

The Arabs didn't ask Zionism to displace them. You live on their turf and its a tough neighborhood that you chose. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It is about Right and Wrong.

And Israel is now the toughest one in the neighborhood.
As for the displacing of Palestinians, you and the Palestinians themselves can blame the surrounding Arab states, as a large majority of Palestinians became refugees during the 1948 Arab Israeli war and the 6 day war.
Whoops!! Weren't you one of those idiots who said the Arab states in 1948 were not trying to "drive the Jews to the sea", but to 'help' the Palestinians?
Some help, ay Pbel??

And now Pbel, those refugees will NEVER be allowed to return.
Double whoops!

Hey, I can't blame you for your bravado and boasts of how tough Israel is today...It's absolutely true. It is also true that without peace Israel will eventually become exhausted, like all invaders that preceded her...Numbers toast is what drives human dynamics, in time they will succeed.

Peace and hope through extensive trading or isolation from humanity. Its Israel's choice.

With your version of peace Israel's demise would come much sooner, which is why they will not give in to threats. But the muslims are spending far too much energy and time in fighting each other for control. Then starting all over again when the next group of extremists comes along. So the numbers of sick and tired muslims rises every day and no one is there to protect them from their own. Their numbers are dwindling daily with millions being brutally slain and starved to death, and not a Jew in sight doing it. The world is seeing islam at its worst and thinking what the hell are we supporting these animals for.
So all Israel has to do is keep quiet and sit back letting the Islamic extremists wipe themselves out and then offer help to the survivors. They already have extensive trading deals with many Islamic nations so are quite happy as it is.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The British didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The French didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Swedes didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Sudanese didn't ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

The Indians did not ask the muslims to displace and brutalise them

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT IN BRINGING UP ZIONISTS ALL THE TIME

What's your point posting pithy little phrases that mean nothing at all?

Don't like seeing the truth about your hero's the muslims and their brutality in taking over the world . Over 1,000 very young girls have been raped and forced into prostitution in the UK by muslim men, by very young I mean 11 and 12 year olds. How muslims are the real problem in the world and displace indigenous populations by violent means and then institute apartheid and oppression.
IT IS NOT IARAEL DOING THIS BUT ISLAM.

 

[pbel]

"Zionism" didn't displace the poor Palestinians: the greed of their kleptocratic "leaders" AND that of the AL "leadership" who hatched the plans to wipe out Israel back before the state was even declared did that. They TOLD the Palestinans to leave for a couple of weeks at most, then after the five Arab armies had over-run and forced out (murdered en masse) all the Jews - they could come back and have their property PLUS .....

The fact that there are 20% + Arab Christians and Muslims who are Israeli citizens and vote and serve in the government - including the military! - argues louder than all your commotion that there is no "apartheid" or "racism" inherent in Zionism.

Would that the same could be said of "Arab Nationalism", the false god which was the excuse for plundering just under a million Mizrachi Jews from places they'd lived for up to 2600 years.........

As long as the PLO/PA and HAMAS and Hezbullah have that filth in their Charters about killing all the Jews, they are WRONG - and supporting any of them is WRONG, too.

If only there were some "Arab Nationalists" whose ideas were rooted in love of their people, rather than hatred for another........ then maybe there'd be peace because that does take two.

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

Your lying will not change the Historical facts. Nor will it save Israel in the long run unless the Arab league accepts her presence.

 

[toastman]

"Zionism" didn't displace the poor Palestinians: the greed of their kleptocratic "leaders" AND that of the AL "leadership" who hatched the plans to wipe out Israel back before the state was even declared did that. They TOLD the Palestinans to leave for a couple of weeks at most, then after the five Arab armies had over-run and forced out (murdered en masse) all the Jews - they could come back and have their property PLUS .....

The fact that there are 20% + Arab Christians and Muslims who are Israeli citizens and vote and serve in the government - including the military! - argues louder than all your commotion that there is no "apartheid" or "racism" inherent in Zionism.

Would that the same could be said of "Arab Nationalism", the false god which was the excuse for plundering just under a million Mizrachi Jews from places they'd lived for up to 2600 years.........

As long as the PLO/PA and HAMAS and Hezbullah have that filth in their Charters about killing all the Jews, they are WRONG - and supporting any of them is WRONG, too.

If only there were some "Arab Nationalists" whose ideas were rooted in love of their people, rather than hatred for another........ then maybe there'd be peace because that does take two.

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

Your lying will not change the Historical facts. Nor will it save Israel in the long run unless the Arab league accepts her presence.

Nothing will make the Arab league her presence.
Also, Israel will NEVER succumb to the demands of others in order to be accepted by them.
Not to mention, they didn't accept Israel even before she took over the West Bank

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

The oil routes had nothing to do with it. That is what our friend "PF_Tinmore" calls a "Red Herring." At the time the decisions on the establishment of the Jewish Nation Home were being made, the oil corridors were not all that much different then they are now.

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Notice that the Mandate for Palestine doesn't have access to any of them. The only oil infrastructure, until the opening of the Levant Oil and Gas Basin (2001), prior to the establishment of the Jewish State, is the Haifa Oil Refinery. All the other Middle East Nations had assets equal to or greater than the single refinery in Haifa.

Your lying will not change the Historical facts. Nor will it save Israel in the long run unless the Arab league accepts her presence.

(COMMENT)

The Arab League has consistently opposed the establishment of the Jewish State as agreed to by the adoption of GA/RES/181(II). The Arab League is eventually going to reach a conclusion that the Palestinian Cause is not the center of the issues it faces in terms of regional peace and stability. And as countries like Saudi Arabia begin to feel the economic pinch in the revenue generated by their oil reserves, they are going to find out that attempting to support unproductive ventures like Palestine are going to become too expensive. The new hot spot in the Middle East is Syria. And Arab League attention will be diverted away from Palestine and more towards Damascus.

Israel, for all the complaints made against her --- and for all the mistakes she has made --- has been able to maintain a marginal environment of peace and stability --- even in the face of the degenerative effects of the hostile Arab Spring.

One needs only look at the Arab World to see the need for peace and stability:

And buried in that mess is the Jewish State of Israel; still productive and still economically advancing.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Don't like seeing the truth about your hero's the muslims and their brutality in taking over the world . Over 1,000 very young girls have been raped and forced into prostitution in the UK by muslim men, by very young I mean 11 and 12 year olds. How muslims are the real problem in the world and displace indigenous populations by violent means and then institute apartheid and oppression.
IT IS NOT IARAEL DOING THIS BUT ISLAM.

If it is so prevalent, then you should have no trouble providing evidence to back up those claims.

If you can't, then you're just another racist asshole, shooting his big mouth off!

 

[Hossfly]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

You win a seegar, Tinny!

 

[MrMax]

I will not Bow!

Said the arab just before he bent over to kiss a carpet.

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco always forgets that part because might makes right then history corrects that mistake in time...Always has always will...

 

[Hossfly]

pbel, et al,

Oh I wouldn't say that!


(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco always forgets that part because might makes right then history corrects that mistake in time...Always has always will...

You win a seegar too, Peebles. Go have a smoke with Tinmore.

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

I think you got it!

Among the issues that the Mandatory Power had to deal with, particularly after the end of the Second World War, was the question of a proposed Jewish home in Palestine. Increasing Jewish immigration had been consistently opposed by the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, who in the mid-1940s comprised about two thirds of the territory’s population of 2 million.

EPILOG: This revised edition of “The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” reflects a number of milestones and events through the end of 2007. Foremost among these was the passage of 60 years since the adoption by the General Assembly in 1947 of resolution 181 (II), providing for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in the former Mandate territory of Palestine, with a special status for the holy city of Jerusalem.

Oh I wouldn't say that!

Zionists invaded the land and displaced people who were living there in peace for a millennia...Your trying to sugar coat that invasion with the support of the Colonial West to use Israel as an out post to protect the oil routes is now exhausted...

(COMMENT)

The "Zionists" did not invade the land. It was earmarked as the Jewish National Home by the Allied Powers, in which immigration was a natural first step.

So, the Zionists recruited the assistance of colonial powers to invade and take over Palestine.

Well then, that makes it OK.

(COMMENT)

The "Zionist" did not recruit the assistance of any "Colonial Powers." The "Allied Powers" made the determination that it was in the best interest to the protection of the Jewish Culture.

"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes." (Article 4, San Remo Convention).

It wasn't an invasion, but an agreement decided on 24 April 1920 by the Principal Allied Powers in "giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." Does that make it "OK?" Yes sir-ree (three bags full)!

As previously stated, some years later, the UN adopted General Assembly in 1947 of Resolution 181 (II), which gave the Jewish State form and substance. The Arab Higher Committee declined to participate.

Thus, following the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the UN General Assembly, Israel reached the point to Declare such Independence.

It was the foreign intervention and influence of the Arab League that created the subsequence belligerent behaviors that lead us to the current ground truth.

Most Respectfully,
R