I was wondering......

[Avatar4321]

Remember how many times the reason's for invading Iraq changed? It's amazing people will still continue to hang on to the bullshit reasons Bush gave us.

First it was they had WMDs and were a threat to us.
When no WMDs were found, it was "we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here"
Then it was "we are doing it to liberate the iraqi people".

Amazing how many times the reason changed yet people seemed to of forgotten the old reason. Amazing how people can have selective thinking and able to ignore blaring contradictions to their stances

The reasons for invading Iraq have never changed. You just ignored the fact that there were always multiple reasons being given in the first place. You can disagree with those reasons all you want, but pretending that there were multiple reasons to begin with and that somehow they just starting changing is dishonest.

I don't get it. You profess to be so much more intelligent than all of us. Yet, you have to be dishonest in your argument. I mean seriously, why on earth would you have to if you are right?

 

[ABikerSailor]

What was the connection between 9/11 and Saddam again?

Oh right.......there wasn't one.

9/11 was caused by terrorists.

Which resulted in us declaring war on terrorists and the regimes that support terrorism.

Saddam openly supported terrorism.

Not really brain surgery here. I mean you can disagree with the reasoning all you want. But the reasoning is there and pretending it isn't is just dishonest.

Wrong. Saddam was a DICTATOR. He didn't like anyone doing anything in his country that he didn't want done, which is why the Taliban didn't go to Iraq until after Saddam was out of power.

Dictators don't support terrorists because it's hard enough to keep your boot on the throats of your people without worrying about loose cannons.

 

[Dr Gregg]

What was the connection between 9/11 and Saddam again?

Oh right.......there wasn't one.

9/11 was caused by terrorists.

Which resulted in us declaring war on terrorists and the regimes that support terrorism.

Saddam openly supported terrorism.

Not really brain surgery here. I mean you can disagree with the reasoning all you want. But the reasoning is there and pretending it isn't is just dishonest.

Evidence he openly supported or even funded terrorist? What a crock of shit. I believe I've seen articles before, have to look for them, about how Saddam hated al quaeda

 

[Avatar4321]

funny thing is you think you are being smart.

Such a loser, and a pretty angry one at that

I'm honestly curious. Do you think you are intelligent with posts like these?

What's the point of calling other people names if you act just as pathetic as you think they are?

guess its OK when your fellow hacks do it? give me a fucking break, this asshole patek has been going around name calling everybody that disagrees, along with so many posters here, ruining most adults discussion. So go cry to those asshole.

No. I criticize them as well. But your pretending to be above it and Patek isn't.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Remember how many times the reason's for invading Iraq changed? It's amazing people will still continue to hang on to the bullshit reasons Bush gave us.

First it was they had WMDs and were a threat to us.
When no WMDs were found, it was "we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here"
Then it was "we are doing it to liberate the iraqi people".

Amazing how many times the reason changed yet people seemed to of forgotten the old reason. Amazing how people can have selective thinking and able to ignore blaring contradictions to their stances

The reasons for invading Iraq have never changed. You just ignored the fact that there were always multiple reasons being given in the first place. You can disagree with those reasons all you want, but pretending that there were multiple reasons to begin with and that somehow they just starting changing is dishonest.

I don't get it. You profess to be so much more intelligent than all of us. Yet, you have to be dishonest in your argument. I mean seriously, why on earth would you have to if you are right?

You are the one ignoring that Bush's reasoning kept changing when the other reason was shown to be bullshit.

ah the delusions of people, amazing

 

[Avatar4321]

Evidence he openly supported or even funded terrorist? What a crock of shit. I believe I've seen articles before, have to look for them, about how Saddam hated al quaeda

You want me to search for information that has been common knowledge for the last decade?

 

[Dr Gregg]

Evidence he openly supported or even funded terrorist? What a crock of shit. I believe I've seen articles before, have to look for them, about how Saddam hated al quaeda

You want me to search for information that has been common knowledge for the last decade?

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You'd ignore it anyway hack, ruin your little fantasy world where Iraq had anything to do with attacking us

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html (from the 9/11 commission report)\

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMrbOB26rqC1rDocYemjluC58zaA (from the Pentagon)

Looking for the saddam article if I can find it, it was a while ago

 

[AllieBaba]

We aren't at war with Iraq.

 

[AllieBaba]

And fake dr. gregg, you have the distinction of being the first person evah to accuse Avatar of being a "hack".

What a loser you are.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well, considering that the poison gas was a US supplied weapon, we supported Saddam at one time. BTW, the WMD's were not there. Know why? He'd already used them on the Kurds.

Interestingly enough, Ollie North helped out the Taliban in their war against Russia and so did Reagan.

But.........Saddam did not like OBL, and OBL called Saddam a "socialist infidel".

 

[ABikerSailor]

We aren't at war with Iraq.

Really? Wanna explain all the bullets, guns, tanks and troops?

Also wanna explain where the 4000 plus troops who reportedly died over there went?

 

[mudwhistle]

o i think it is very thin ice...i would hope that they are negociating behind the scenes...should he say something...i dont know....i too, have major qualms about the fact that no one is mentioning...the wars are still going on....that he is wanting to drill off the east coast...no one lauds the death toll..the numbers are not on the news daily...mud i have questioned why that is ...on here before...i have been truly disappointed in obama's first year and mal aint looking good for this year so far...

he has clay feet...i dont give a mal about him saying we wont use nukes....fuck all...i can tell you i wont hit you upside the head with a pool stick....but i assure you ...i will hold on to said pool stick

I see no evidence that Obama is negotiating behind the scenes. If you can say that it's not pure speculation on your part I'll be willing to listen.



What he is doing is lying to us about drilling..when in fact he hasn't changed his stance on the issue one iota.

He's pushing health care down our throats for the sole purpose of instituting a Value Added Tax.

He's making deals with our enemies to cut our nuclear stockpiles, allowing Russians to come over here and look at our technology so they can steal it, and he's claiming that all of this nonsense is to get rid of nukes for good. He's even telling them he'll never use what we have. The guy is plain nuts.

 

[Dr Gregg]

o i think it is very thin ice...i would hope that they are negociating behind the scenes...should he say something...i dont know....i too, have major qualms about the fact that no one is mentioning...the wars are still going on....that he is wanting to drill off the east coast...no one lauds the death toll..the numbers are not on the news daily...mud i have questioned why that is ...on here before...i have been truly disappointed in obama's first year and mal aint looking good for this year so far...

he has clay feet...i dont give a mal about him saying we wont use nukes....fuck all...i can tell you i wont hit you upside the head with a pool stick....but i assure you ...i will hold on to said pool stick

I see no evidence that Obama is negotiating behind the scenes. If you can say that it's not pure speculation on your part I'll be willing to listen.



What he is doing is lying to us about drilling..when in fact he hasn't changed his stance on the issue one iota.

He's pushing health care down our throats for the sole purpose of instituting a Value Added Tax.

He's making deals with our enemies to cut our nuclear stockpiles, allowing Russians to come over here and look at our technology so they can steal it, and he's claiming that all of this nonsense is to get rid of nukes for good. He's even telling them he'll never use what we have. The guy is plain nuts.

when did you interview Obama that you know so much about what his intentions are?

 

[mudwhistle]

We aren't at war with Iraq.

Really? Wanna explain all the bullets, guns, tanks and troops?

Also wanna explain where the 4000 plus troops who reportedly died over there went?

We're protecting Iraq from an insurgency that is murdering Iraqi civilians.

That's what we're doing.

Most of those casualties are from IEDs.

Jesus you're stupid.

 

[Dr Gregg]

We aren't at war with Iraq.

Really? Wanna explain all the bullets, guns, tanks and troops?

Also wanna explain where the 4000 plus troops who reportedly died over there went?

We're protecting Iraq from an insurgency that is murdering Iraqi civilians.

That's what we're doing.

Most of those casualties are from IEDs.

Jesus you're stupid.

We caused the insurgency. I think ABiker Sailor will take being called stupid from you as a complement, as its clear your views of stupid are reversed

 

[NYcarbineer]

Such dishonesty. Bush started the war, the deaths were on his hands since he's the one thatg overthrew the gov't there, which now needs to be stablized with a new gov't. Obama didn't start the war, hence why you won't see much criticism of obama, who inherited this mess. So there is a difference there.

It would only tarnish Obama's image in the eyes of people who hate him and will criticize him regardless of what happens

Poor Dr Gregg...just can't admit that the Democrat controlled Senate voted to let the Iraq War take place....so sad.

1. The Democrats didn't control the Senate.
2. House Democrats voted against the Iraq war, so the war had to have been authorized by Republicans. Both houses had to pass the authorization.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many of you know that the Taliban just released a video of a captive American soldier? I guess it would tarnish Obama's image as Commander in Chief so nobody's interested.


This guy has been a captive since June....and during the Bush presidency this would be the lead story....but hardly a peep these days. The guy has been there long enough to grow a beard. Seems the Obama Administration has forgotten about him. He's CIC yet he doesn't seem to care about an American who's a POW as we speak. I was wondering why he hasn't given a speech about it lately.



I'm just trying to point out the obvious double-standard of the MSM but after starting this thread I realized that Obama hasn't said shit about it.


This image made from video released Wednesday April 7, 2010 ... - Yahoo! News Photos

Taliban Releases Video Of Captured American Soldier

You want the administration to be doing more to negotiate with the Taliban to get him released?

What are you willing to give them?

 

[ABikerSailor]

o i think it is very thin ice...i would hope that they are negociating behind the scenes...should he say something...i dont know....i too, have major qualms about the fact that no one is mentioning...the wars are still going on....that he is wanting to drill off the east coast...no one lauds the death toll..the numbers are not on the news daily...mud i have questioned why that is ...on here before...i have been truly disappointed in obama's first year and mal aint looking good for this year so far...

he has clay feet...i dont give a mal about him saying we wont use nukes....fuck all...i can tell you i wont hit you upside the head with a pool stick....but i assure you ...i will hold on to said pool stick

I see no evidence that Obama is negotiating behind the scenes. If you can say that it's not pure speculation on your part I'll be willing to listen.



What he is doing is lying to us about drilling..when in fact he hasn't changed his stance on the issue one iota.

He's pushing health care down our throats for the sole purpose of instituting a Value Added Tax.

He's making deals with our enemies to cut our nuclear stockpiles, allowing Russians to come over here and look at our technology so they can steal it, and he's claiming that all of this nonsense is to get rid of nukes for good. He's even telling them he'll never use what we have. The guy is plain nuts.

Lying about drilling? Is that why he stood up and said that they could now drill?

Pushing healthcare down our throats? Really? You've gotta quit listening to FAUX dipshit.

By the way Mud Drizzle, you may wish to look at another president who wanted to see a world without nukes.......

His name was Ronald Reagan.

 

[mudwhistle]

o i think it is very thin ice...i would hope that they are negociating behind the scenes...should he say something...i dont know....i too, have major qualms about the fact that no one is mentioning...the wars are still going on....that he is wanting to drill off the east coast...no one lauds the death toll..the numbers are not on the news daily...mud i have questioned why that is ...on here before...i have been truly disappointed in obama's first year and mal aint looking good for this year so far...

he has clay feet...i dont give a mal about him saying we wont use nukes....fuck all...i can tell you i wont hit you upside the head with a pool stick....but i assure you ...i will hold on to said pool stick

I see no evidence that Obama is negotiating behind the scenes. If you can say that it's not pure speculation on your part I'll be willing to listen.



What he is doing is lying to us about drilling..when in fact he hasn't changed his stance on the issue one iota.

He's pushing health care down our throats for the sole purpose of instituting a Value Added Tax.

He's making deals with our enemies to cut our nuclear stockpiles, allowing Russians to come over here and look at our technology so they can steal it, and he's claiming that all of this nonsense is to get rid of nukes for good. He's even telling them he'll never use what we have. The guy is plain nuts.

when did you interview Obama that you know so much about what his intentions are?

I've been listening to his speeches for over two years.

I have eyes and ears.

It's pretty obvious.

Also looking into his history...reading his books...unless he's lying in them...it's pretty obvious what he intends on doing.

 

[mudwhistle]

o i think it is very thin ice...i would hope that they are negociating behind the scenes...should he say something...i dont know....i too, have major qualms about the fact that no one is mentioning...the wars are still going on....that he is wanting to drill off the east coast...no one lauds the death toll..the numbers are not on the news daily...mud i have questioned why that is ...on here before...i have been truly disappointed in obama's first year and mal aint looking good for this year so far...

he has clay feet...i dont give a mal about him saying we wont use nukes....fuck all...i can tell you i wont hit you upside the head with a pool stick....but i assure you ...i will hold on to said pool stick

I see no evidence that Obama is negotiating behind the scenes. If you can say that it's not pure speculation on your part I'll be willing to listen.



What he is doing is lying to us about drilling..when in fact he hasn't changed his stance on the issue one iota.

He's pushing health care down our throats for the sole purpose of instituting a Value Added Tax.

He's making deals with our enemies to cut our nuclear stockpiles, allowing Russians to come over here and look at our technology so they can steal it, and he's claiming that all of this nonsense is to get rid of nukes for good. He's even telling them he'll never use what we have. The guy is plain nuts.

Lying about drilling? Is that why he stood up and said that they could now drill?

Pushing healthcare down our throats? Really? You've gotta quit listening to FAUX dipshit.

By the way Mud Drizzle, you may wish to look at another president who wanted to see a world without nukes.......

His name was Ronald Reagan.

Yes...GayBiker....he wanted a world like that but he knew that reality wasn't the pipe-dream Obama learned in school.

Trust But Verify.

Problem is Obama isn't trustworthy and neither are the Russians, so any treaty they sign isn't worth the paper it's printed on.