CDZ I Told You...Democrats Want To Outlaw AC and Refrigeration In The United States

[OldLady]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

The problem with this is you won't have anyplace to go if these progressives have their way. There will be no store AC. The costs of food will skyrocket, because refrigeration will become too expensive. All of the increases will be passed onto us.

This is all designed to raise the costs of living for everyone in America. It won't do one thing to stop Global Warming because China and others won't be stupid enough to follow the rules.

we've already replaced most of them. Why is he bringing it up now?
Because Obama plans on totally ending the use of refrigerants in America within a set number of years.
HFCs were already scheduled to be phased out back in 2010. R-22 was replaced by other refrigerants and all commercial air-conditioning systems now use 410a ....
Seems to me you're arguing against your own doom and gloom here, Mudwhistle. You obviously know a lot about air conditioning and refrigeration, and it sounds like a lot of the older phased out technology is going to have to be replaced eventually; that always sucks. However, in your own words, it has mostly been accomplished without any apocalyptic problems. So far, I haven't heard of stores not being able to refrigerate food or of any outrageous leap in the cost of air conditioning for the home. So why is it supposed to happen now?
Did I miss something?

Obviously. This is just another example of Progressive creep. They start out by taking away what works and suggesting a seemingly reasonable solution. "So just let us have this and we won't ask for more."

Later on there is always a surprise involved.

The point I made was simple. This has already been done. What does Kerry want us to do now? As with their anti-gun laws, they start out asking for a ban on certain types of guns......but then somebody ends up proposing a total ban. But the only folks that end up not being able to have it is us, not them. The goal is to get rid of AC entirely for the masses. Period.

In my humble opinion, you are out of your mind.

 

[mamooth]

Mud, make sure you stay home and protect your refrigerator from government brownshirts.

Tell them they'll get it when they pry it from your cold dead hands.

"Cold". Get it! Ha! I slay me.

 

[2aguy]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

They aren't messing with the environment........they are lying to you....

 

[Arianrhod]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

Because actually understanding HFCs and thinking "Hmm, maybe we can come up with something better" requires all that sciency stuff and isn't nearly as alarmist as the misleading thread title.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

 

[FA_Q2]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

That is nothing compared to the impact on food supplies when increasing the cost/decreasing the effectiveness of refrigerants.

 

[Arianrhod]

So more than one poster seems to believe that HFCs are the only recourse as coolants. Amazing...

 

[Dekster]

Trump wants to tax AC units out of existence to pay for his Mexican wall....what's the difference?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Trump wants to tax AC units out of existence to pay for his Mexican wall....what's the difference?

Do you know how retarded you sound captain cracker Jack?

 

[Dekster]

Trump wants to tax AC units out of existence to pay for his Mexican wall....what's the difference?

Do you know how retarded you sound captain cracker Jack?

I know that the opinion of someone who uses cracker jack and retarded might matter to the AARP, but not to me, Gramps.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Trump wants to tax AC units out of existence to pay for his Mexican wall....what's the difference?

Do you know how retarded you sound captain cracker Jack?

I know that the opinion of someone who uses cracker jack and retarded might matter to the AARP, but not to me, Gramps.

How about this yo! You slime bucket. Little fool, yo! I will put a cap in your ass and kick you in the nuts, what you said flint stone head no rhyme or rythem you dumb mother cock sucker...

 

[Dekster]

Trump wants to tax AC units out of existence to pay for his Mexican wall....what's the difference?

Do you know how retarded you sound captain cracker Jack?

I know that the opinion of someone who uses cracker jack and retarded might matter to the AARP, but not to me, Gramps.

How about this yo! You slime bucket. Little fool, yo! I will put a cap in your ass and kick you in the nuts, what you said flint stone head no rhyme or rythem you dumb mother cock sucker...

Flintstones. That cartoon ended like 40 years ago....and you won't do anything your caregiver doesn't help you do. Somebody has to hold your pee bag.

 

[OldLady]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

First off, air conditioning is not going anywhere, not even according to Mudwhistle's article. Replacing the HFC's has already been accomplished to a great extent and I do not hear of any drastic lack of air conditioning anywhere.

To your point, yes, old people can die without proper a.c., as they freeze to death in winter because they can't afford to run the furnace. It is horribly sad. Where are their family and their neighbors who keep an eye out? Why is is that any elderly person in this country must freeze or die of the heat? The elderly sometimes don't have a very good "thermostat" and don't realize how hot it is. It was hot (for us) yesterday; I visited an elderly couple whose house was closed up and very warm, and he was wearing a long sleeved thermal shirt. He appeared okay but he definitely wasn't feeling what the rest of us were.

 

[mudwhistle]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

First off, air conditioning is not going anywhere, not even according to Mudwhistle's article. Replacing the HFC's has already been accomplished to a great extent and I do not hear of any drastic lack of air conditioning anywhere.

To your point, yes, old people can die without proper a.c., as they freeze to death in winter because they can't afford to run the furnace. It is horribly sad. Where are their family and their neighbors who keep an eye out? Why is is that any elderly person in this country must freeze or die of the heat? The elderly sometimes don't have a very good "thermostat" and don't realize how hot it is. It was hot (for us) yesterday; I visited an elderly couple whose house was closed up and very warm, and he was wearing a long sleeved thermal shirt. He appeared okay but he definitely wasn't feeling what the rest of us were.

Democrats are doing everything they can to raise the cost of living. They've made it so expensive to fix your AC that just replacing a 2.5 ton compressor costs $1500. Some people won't be able to fix their AC once it breaks. A total replacement of a small residential HVAC system can cost over $5000. Just putting a pound of freon in your system can cost you $200. What Democrats are trying to do is make AC unaffordable for the Middle-Class.

 

[OldLady]

Makes perfect sense to me. What's your problem with replacing the HFC's if they are screwing with the atmosphere?

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

First off, air conditioning is not going anywhere, not even according to Mudwhistle's article. Replacing the HFC's has already been accomplished to a great extent and I do not hear of any drastic lack of air conditioning anywhere.

To your point, yes, old people can die without proper a.c., as they freeze to death in winter because they can't afford to run the furnace. It is horribly sad. Where are their family and their neighbors who keep an eye out? Why is is that any elderly person in this country must freeze or die of the heat? The elderly sometimes don't have a very good "thermostat" and don't realize how hot it is. It was hot (for us) yesterday; I visited an elderly couple whose house was closed up and very warm, and he was wearing a long sleeved thermal shirt. He appeared okay but he definitely wasn't feeling what the rest of us were.

Democrats are doing everything they can to raise the cost of living. They've made it so expensive to fix your AC that just replacing a 2.5 ton compressor costs $1500. Some people won't be able to fix their AC once it breaks. A total replacement of a small residential HVAC system can cost over $5000. Just putting a pound of freon in your system can cost you $200. What Democrats are trying to do is make AC unaffordable for the Middle-Class.

Are you saying the Democrats are TRYING to eliminate A.C. or the fact that maintaining an old system is now more expensive than its worth? I can't think of a single reason why the Democrats would TRY to make the middle class miserable and uncomfortable, on purpose. Why?

 

[2aguy]

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

First off, air conditioning is not going anywhere, not even according to Mudwhistle's article. Replacing the HFC's has already been accomplished to a great extent and I do not hear of any drastic lack of air conditioning anywhere.

To your point, yes, old people can die without proper a.c., as they freeze to death in winter because they can't afford to run the furnace. It is horribly sad. Where are their family and their neighbors who keep an eye out? Why is is that any elderly person in this country must freeze or die of the heat? The elderly sometimes don't have a very good "thermostat" and don't realize how hot it is. It was hot (for us) yesterday; I visited an elderly couple whose house was closed up and very warm, and he was wearing a long sleeved thermal shirt. He appeared okay but he definitely wasn't feeling what the rest of us were.

Democrats are doing everything they can to raise the cost of living. They've made it so expensive to fix your AC that just replacing a 2.5 ton compressor costs $1500. Some people won't be able to fix their AC once it breaks. A total replacement of a small residential HVAC system can cost over $5000. Just putting a pound of freon in your system can cost you $200. What Democrats are trying to do is make AC unaffordable for the Middle-Class.

Are you saying the Democrats are TRYING to eliminate A.C. or the fact that maintaining an old system is now more expensive than its worth? I can't think of a single reason why the Democrats would TRY to make the middle class miserable and uncomfortable, on purpose. Why?

They are trying to make it impossible for the poor and middle class to replace it...they are all in on climate change...it is their religion and they are global warming fundamentalists...........there is no reason to attack air conditioning.....but they are doing it anyway....they are nuts.

 

[Arianrhod]

They are trying to make it impossible for the poor and middle class to replace it...

Proof?

 

[2aguy]

They are trying to make it impossible for the poor and middle class to replace it...

Proof?

As has been shown, their regulations on Air conditioners increase the costs......which means the poor can't afford it and the middle class can afford it less and less....and since the cooling gases don't effect the climate........there is no reason to use these regulations unless you are simply trying to jack up the cost of air conditioning...........

 

[mudwhistle]

w/o proper AC, old people die

the poor suffer b/c they can't afford to get it or turn it on


it's called thinking ahead, try it, before your suffering in the summer time.

Are you just assuming the replacements will be more expensive? What is it we should "try?"
I was one of those "poor" who couldn't afford A.C. in my apartment or my car all the years I lived in Connecticut and it was miserable in the summer, yes. I sometimes went into stores and pretended to shop just to cool off, or splurged on the $2 rerun movie theater -- who cared what was playing. I even got good at removing my pantyhose while driving home from work.

I will repeat;

old people die w/o proper AC

First off, air conditioning is not going anywhere, not even according to Mudwhistle's article. Replacing the HFC's has already been accomplished to a great extent and I do not hear of any drastic lack of air conditioning anywhere.

To your point, yes, old people can die without proper a.c., as they freeze to death in winter because they can't afford to run the furnace. It is horribly sad. Where are their family and their neighbors who keep an eye out? Why is is that any elderly person in this country must freeze or die of the heat? The elderly sometimes don't have a very good "thermostat" and don't realize how hot it is. It was hot (for us) yesterday; I visited an elderly couple whose house was closed up and very warm, and he was wearing a long sleeved thermal shirt. He appeared okay but he definitely wasn't feeling what the rest of us were.

Democrats are doing everything they can to raise the cost of living. They've made it so expensive to fix your AC that just replacing a 2.5 ton compressor costs $1500. Some people won't be able to fix their AC once it breaks. A total replacement of a small residential HVAC system can cost over $5000. Just putting a pound of freon in your system can cost you $200. What Democrats are trying to do is make AC unaffordable for the Middle-Class.

Are you saying the Democrats are TRYING to eliminate A.C. or the fact that maintaining an old system is now more expensive than its worth? I can't think of a single reason why the Democrats would TRY to make the middle class miserable and uncomfortable, on purpose. Why?

Because not being able to afford every day costs changes people who are happy into desperate people looking for help. That is when the government steps in. They want everyone to have to depend on government to survive. This is the first American generation that feels that our best days are over. Democrats want this. How else can they destroy Capitalism and institute Socialism than by tearing down American Society from every angle.

 

[Arianrhod]

They are trying to make it impossible for the poor and middle class to replace it...

Proof?

As has been shown, their regulations on Air conditioners increase the costs......which means the poor can't afford it and the middle class can afford it less and less....and since the cooling gases don't effect the climate........there is no reason to use these regulations unless you are simply trying to jack up the cost of air conditioning...........

(1) "Regulation forces us to raise our prices" = the corporate excuse for raising prices as long as there have been corporations
(2) "These gases don't affect the climate" = you've found websites that support your confirmation bias
"Jacking up prices" after snowing a large portion of the population with (1) and (2) = pure capitalism

Somewhere Barnum and the Grand Nagus are raising a glass and laughing.