I Thought Obamacare Was Going to Lower Costs?

[Nostra]

Sure. You just bump growth in per capita health care costs (data available through 2023 so far) with growth in per capita GDP and/or per capita personal income.

Average annual growth

	Per Capita Health Care Cost Growth​	Per Capita GDP Growth​	Per Capita Income Growth​	Excess Health Care Cost Growth (vs. GDP)​	Excess Health Care Cost Growth (vs. income)​
Pre-ACA Era (1960-2009)	8.6%​	5.8%​	5.9%​	2.8%​	2.6%​
ACA Era (2010-2023)	4.3%​	4.2%​	4.3%​	0.1%​	0%​

That's not just a huge bending of the cost curve, it's a near-total flattening of the cost curve since the ACA passed in 2010 (i.e., almost zero excess health care cost growth). No growth in costs relative to GDP or income after half a century of averaging almost 3% in excess health care cost growth a year.

******* crazy when you stop to think about it! Totally unprecedented stuff.

Now include all the tax dollars used to prop up Barrycare.

Watch this…….

 

[alang1216]

The part where people would be fined under the Obamacare law?

That is one way of looking at it. Another way is that anyone who goes to an ER gets treated, insurance or no, so this is their contribution to the healthcare system.

 

[beagle9]

Because that was one of many GOP amendments that passed while the law was being put together.

Grassley amendment makes Congress obtain coverage from health care plan established in reform bill | U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa

Grassley amendment makes Congress obtain coverage from health care plan established in reform...

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Give me names of congress critters that are using Obammy care for their health care on the provider portal used for the ACA. Better yet what are the provider's who are participating in the ACA program delivering cheaper policies to poor (in the case of congress critters also the rich), Americans for the purpose of getting subsidies from the government if they cover citizens by way of the ACA ?

Many provider's refuse to be part of the ACA, and why is that ?

 

[alang1216]

How?

The mandatory payment would:

1. get revenue from healthy young people who don't buy insurance
2. decrease ER visits by people who don't buy insurance

 

[Nostra]

The mandatory payment would:

1. get revenue from healthy young people who don't buy insurance
2. decrease ER visits by people who don't buy insurance

It is unconstitutional to force Americans to purchase any product.

Next?

 

[Greenbeard]

Now include all the tax dollars used to prop up Barrycare.

Watch this…….

Health care costs include all public and private spending on health care in the economy, those numbers are already baked in.

The practical effect of the cost curve bending for taxpayer spending is that federal health care spending is turning out to be (cumulatively) many trillions of dollars less than expected at the dawn of the ACA era. As one example, real per beneficiary cost growth in Medicare basically stopped in 2010 (after 45 years of steady growth), which has saved the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars so far.

 

[Nostra]

The mandatory payment would:

1. get revenue from healthy young people who don't buy insurance
2. decrease ER visits by people who don't buy insurance

Before Barrycare, healthy young people could buy catastrophic plans, but Barry said they weren’t good enough and outlawed them.

‘If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”-Lying sack of vermin shit Barry Hussein Obama.

 

[Nostra]

Health care costs include all public and private spending on health care in the economy, those numbers are already baked in.

The practical effect of the cost curve bending for taxpayer spending is that federal health care spending is turning out to be (cumulatively) many trillions of dollars less than expected at the dawn of the ACA era. As one example, real per beneficiary cost growth in Medicare basically stopped in 2010 (after 45 years of steady growth), which has saved the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars so far.

Bullshit.

Tell us again how costs stopped going up….

From YOUR link:

U.S. health care spending grew 7.5 percent in 2023, reaching $4.9 trillion or $14,570 per person

 

[Nostra]

Health care costs include all public and private spending on health care in the economy, those numbers are already baked in.

Break down how they both changed before and after Barrycare was I plemented.

Private vs tax dollars.

 

[beagle9]

They should repeal and replace Obamacare because that’s what they said they would do.

If it’s so terrible, why can’t you guys come up with something better?

If the program would have been sufficient, then your retort would be anything but "hey you guy's need to replace it", but you know it wasn't sufficient so you have no answer's other than to challenge someone else to come up with something better.

 

[beagle9]

The federal subsidy for employer-sponsored coverage costs $414 billion this year and is expected to cost $477 billion next year.

Are the insurance carrier's involved now bilking the government out of billions of taxpayer dollar's in this grand scheme ??

 

[alang1216]

It is unconstitutional to force Americans to purchase any product.

Next?

Not really. We get taxed for roads don't we so being taxed for heath care is the same thing.

 

[Greenbeard]

Are the insurance carrier's involved now bilking the government out of billions of taxpayer dollar's in this grand scheme ??

The tax subsidy for employer-based insurance was codified during the Eisenhower administration.

 

[Nostra]

Not really. We get taxed for roads don't we so being taxed for heath care is the same thing.

The Supreme Court says you are full of shit, Dipsqueeze.

 

[alang1216]

Before Barrycare, healthy young people could buy catastrophic plans, but Barry said they weren’t good enough and outlawed them.

‘If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”-Lying sack of vermin shit Barry Hussein Obama.

Catastrophic plans are great if you can afford the routine care not covered. Many people couldn't and were essentially not covered.

 

[Greenbeard]

Bullshit.

Tell us again how costs stopped going up….

Nominal dollar amounts always go up, the cost curve measures whether health care became more costly relative to society’s means (GDP) or households’ means (income). It didn’t, because the cost curve bent to the point of becoming nearly completely flat.

The price of a TV is higher today in nominal dollars than it was in 1950, but a TV obviously costs considerably less today.

 

[Nostra]

The tax subsidy for employer-based insurance was codified during the Eisenhower administration.

Nobody is required to buy insurance thru an employer.

Next?

 

[Nostra]

Nominal dollar amounts always go up, the cost curve measures whether health care became more costly relative to society’s means (GDP) or households’ means (income). It didn’t.

The price of a TV is higher today in nominal dollars than it was in 1950, but a TV obviously costs considerably less today.

Your story is changing. You claimed Barrycare caused costs to “flatten”.

Clearly a lie.

 

[Greenbeard]

Your story is changing. You claimed Barrycare caused costs to “flatten”.

Clearly a lie.

It did. Read the posts above and comprehend them this time.

 

[XponentialChaos]

If the program would have been sufficient, then your retort would be anything but "hey you guy's need to replace it", but you know it wasn't sufficient so you have no answer's other than to challenge someone else to come up with something better.

I didn't challenge them to come up with something better. That's what they said they were going to do.