I thought Afghanistan was the "good war"???

[PatekPhilippe]

Hey Patek!
What was that about the Army?
Come on man, you're better than that.

I know that...this geauxtohell fool is boasting on a message board about his "combat" experience. We know there are elements within the Army that don't get things right and in the Navy where I serve as well. I'll edit out that comment because I know you are legit...sorry friend.

No problem buddy. I know how it gets.
I get the feeling that GTH is legit also.
He's a fellow vet man, let it go. I'm sure he'll do the same.
It's that brother/sisterhood thing.
Oh, and **** NoDog. That lil' weasel snitched me out for cussing on the MSNBC board, and lo and behold he was cussing up here today. He's a spineless hypocritical lil' candyass. Nothing more!
BTW, where are you cruising nowadays. Last time I inquired you were in port in Guam.

We just got back...did some humanitarian stuff in the PI after that typhoon but now it's time for repairs.

 

[Polk]

Anyone who voted for Obama thinking he was going to end the war in Afghanistan is a moron.

Exactly. Attempting to tie these protesters to Obama is moronic.

 

[Intense]

Hey, Any of You Girly Men (Just Kidding), Post on Military.com??? I'm surprised if you don't. Issues like this clear up real quick. These Boards are the best though.

 

[geauxtohell]

Keep shooting your mouth off keyboard commando....all of the Vets I know and have served with don't brag about their exploits on message boards....this is the first sign of a fake vet.

and being a platoon leader in Call of Duty 4 is a bit different from being one in Afghanistan tough guy....so put the X-Box controller down and step back into reality.

I didn't brag. I gave you my opinion based on my personal experience, and you then asked me to clarify.

You haven't done shit, have you?

What branch, unit, MOS, etc.?

11A, 3rd BDE 25th ID, July 2002-July 2005

We might have overlapped if you were at Shkin/Paktika Province in the Spring of '04. I was at Shkin for the first month or two of my deployment before moving up to Orgun-E. I think an element from 2nd Bat was there as well.

 

[Si modo]

Anyone who voted for Obama thinking he was going to end the war in Afghanistan is a moron.

Exactly. Attempting to tie these protesters to Obama is moronic.

Who was doing that?

Obama DID say it was the 'good war'; yet for a 'good war' it doesn't get much attention from him.

 

[Polk]

Anyone who voted for Obama thinking he was going to end the war in Afghanistan is a moron.

Exactly. Attempting to tie these protesters to Obama is moronic.

Who was doing that?

Obama DID say it was the 'good war'; yet for a 'good war' it doesn't get much attention from him.

That's the entire point of this thread. And why are you saying it doesn't get much attention from him? Are you in the White House sitting in on the briefings?

 

[geauxtohell]

Your the one who said you were too inept to go out in the field because you were afraid that your element would be compromised by a goat herder. Sounds to me like you need to revamp your recon tactics. You are making excuses for INACTION on the part of "your men". "Once we go outside the wire we are compromised." "We might get compromised by a goat herder." Excuses are like assholes....everyone's got one.

No, I never said that.

I'll ignore the rest of your insults, because it's blatantly obvious that you are clueless about infantry tactics. Thus, your speculation on what we should have done is useless. You've now had two people with experience tell you that ground recon in Afghanistan is useless due to soft compromise. You can chose to believe that or not. You can even look at what happened to the SEALs during Operation Redwing if you want further proof.

Operation Red Wing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't have to huff and puff of my combat experience on a message board like you do. Maybe you were following orders.... At any rate IF YOU DID IN FACT SERVE thanks for your service....and you didn't give me anything "in spades". People like you and your message board lap dog "nodoginafight" are a ******* joke.....you boast about being this and that to lend legitimacy to your arguments whereas I don't have to say shit about what I did and where I served because it's none of your ******* business and I know my service was honorable. Boasting about it on a message board is immature, conduct unbecoming and doesn't mean shit on this message board.

You asked me for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like the answer and started tossing out insults. When cornered, in order to divert attention from your own weak hand, you became more snide.

That about sums it up.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Your the one who said you were too inept to go out in the field because you were afraid that your element would be compromised by a goat herder. Sounds to me like you need to revamp your recon tactics. You are making excuses for INACTION on the part of "your men". "Once we go outside the wire we are compromised." "We might get compromised by a goat herder." Excuses are like assholes....everyone's got one.

No, I never said that.

I'll ignore the rest of your insults, because it's blatantly obvious that you are clueless about infantry tactics. Thus, your speculation on what we should have done is useless. You've now had two people with experience tell you that ground recon in Afghanistan is useless due to soft compromise. You can chose to believe that or not. You can even look at what happened to the SEALs during Operation Redwing if you want further proof.

Operation Red Wing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't have to huff and puff of my combat experience on a message board like you do. Maybe you were following orders.... At any rate IF YOU DID IN FACT SERVE thanks for your service....and you didn't give me anything "in spades". People like you and your message board lap dog "nodoginafight" are a ******* joke.....you boast about being this and that to lend legitimacy to your arguments whereas I don't have to say shit about what I did and where I served because it's none of your ******* business and I know my service was honorable. Boasting about it on a message board is immature, conduct unbecoming and doesn't mean shit on this message board.

You asked me for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like the answer and started tossing out insults. When cornered, in order to divert attention from your own weak hand, you became more snide.

That about sums it up.

Good..then carry the **** on leg.

 

[Huh?]

You asked me for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like the answer and started tossing out insults. When cornered, in order to divert attention from your own weak hand, you became more snide.

That about sums it up.

True that.

I ran into him yesterday when I made a comment to someone that I had never met before regarding their post...next thing I knew according to this peckerwood dude we were butt hole buddies and he had me all figured out...the guy seems to have a need to try and tear others down to give himself a sense of self worth and yet avoids sharing his own reality...go figure.

 

[geauxtohell]

Good..then carry the **** on leg.

You must hang out with SGT Airborne.

You are so awesome.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

You asked me for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like the answer and started tossing out insults. When cornered, in order to divert attention from your own weak hand, you became more snide.

That about sums it up.

True that.

I ran into him yesterday when I made a comment to someone that I had never met before regarding their post...next thing I knew according to this peckerwood dude we were butt hole buddies and he had me all figured out...the guy seems to have a need to try and tear others down to give himself a sense of self worth and yet avoids sharing his own reality...go figure.

I see the lap dog chimes in.....what a tool.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[Huh?]

You asked me for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like the answer and started tossing out insults. When cornered, in order to divert attention from your own weak hand, you became more snide.

That about sums it up.

True that.

I ran into him yesterday when I made a comment to someone that I had never met before regarding their post...next thing I knew according to this peckerwood dude we were butt hole buddies and he had me all figured out...the guy seems to have a need to try and tear others down to give himself a sense of self worth and yet avoids sharing his own reality...go figure.

I see the lap dog chimes in.....what a tool.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[DiveCon]

True that.

I ran into him yesterday when I made a comment to someone that I had never met before regarding their post...next thing I knew according to this peckerwood dude we were butt hole buddies and he had me all figured out...the guy seems to have a need to try and tear others down to give himself a sense of self worth and yet avoids sharing his own reality...go figure.

I see the lap dog chimes in.....what a tool.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

you should use that as your avatar

 

[Si modo]

Exactly. Attempting to tie these protesters to Obama is moronic.

Who was doing that?

Obama DID say it was the 'good war'; yet for a 'good war' it doesn't get much attention from him.

That's the entire point of this thread. And why are you saying it doesn't get much attention from him? Are you in the White House sitting in on the briefings?

LMAO! I go with what is in the news. Are you in the WH sitting at briefings? LOL.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Look at this blanket statement about the entire country of Afghanistan.

LMFAO. Ground recon is useless in Afghanistan.

Since when is every single part of Afghanistan exactly the same, every situation exactly the same, every single piece of terrain exactly the same in ANY part of the world. It's a good thing the person who posted this rubbish about recon missions isn't in charge. It's single minded thinking and blanket statement mentality like this that gets troops in trouble. Perhaps in the specific area this poster was in, a completely barren landscape with ZERO coverout to 5 miles surrounded by goat herds, was not conducive to recon ops. I can understand that but to make a completely ludicrous statement like "recon is useless in Afghanistan" is quite disingenuous.

and then...read this stuff:

Like when a goat herder's child stepped over the top of a claymore mine and into my OP.

How did a "goat herder's child" get into your "OP" completely undetected???!!! Who set up that Claymore??!!

Now you wonder why I question the validity of your claims???!!! With statements like that!!!???



Seriously now...who are you trying to kid? Are you saying you..and troops put under your leadership .... failed to detect a child walking around in your minefield? UNTIL HE WAS INSIDE YOUR "OP"???!!! What does that say about your competence as a leader?

Look...if you served..that's great...thanks for the service and no disrespect was intended towards my fellow vets but don't come in here and post bullshit that makes the Army look like the Keystone Cops.

and order your lapdogs to mind their own business

 

[nodoginnafight]

Obama DID say it was the 'good war'; yet for a 'good war' it doesn't get much attention from him.

So more than doubling the number of U.S. troops there from about 30,000 to about 68,000 in nine months is not "much attention" in your opinion? Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but just what would it take for you to be satisfied with the amount of "attention" - a nuclear strike? And just how much time does Obama spend on Afghanistan each day?

Not trying to be a smart ass (maybe it just comes naturally - sorry) But I'm just really trying to figure out what evidence you weighed to arrive at the conclusion that Afghanistan "doesn't get much attention" from Obama.

I think there is ample evidence available to question things about this POTUS - but I haven't seen any evidence to support THAT complaint.

 

[nodoginnafight]

geauxtohell: Do what you want - But I just want you to know that for the vast majority of posters here, you have no need to defend yourself, your service, or anything else against this particular poster who is desperately trying to repair his image at your expense after he/she was so thouroughly embarassed yesterday.

I think when you engage him you just run the risk of sinking to his level - but, like I said, do whatever you feel like. I just wanted you to know.

 

[Intense]

Your the one who said you were too inept to go out in the field because you were afraid that your element would be compromised by a goat herder. Sounds to me like you need to revamp your recon tactics. You are making excuses for INACTION on the part of "your men". "Once we go outside the wire we are compromised." "We might get compromised by a goat herder." Excuses are like assholes....everyone's got one.

No, I never said that.

I'll ignore the rest of your insults, because it's blatantly obvious that you are clueless about infantry tactics. Thus, your speculation on what we should have done is useless. You've now had two people with experience tell you that ground recon in Afghanistan is useless due to soft compromise. You can chose to believe that or not. You can even look at what happened to the SEALs during Operation Redwing if you want further proof.

Operation Red Wing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't have to huff and puff of my combat experience on a message board like you do. Maybe you were following orders.... At any rate IF YOU DID IN FACT SERVE thanks for your service....and you didn't give me anything "in spades". People like you and your message board lap dog "nodoginafight" are a ******* joke.....you boast about being this and that to lend legitimacy to your arguments whereas I don't have to say shit about what I did and where I served because it's none of your ******* business and I know my service was honorable. Boasting about it on a message board is immature, conduct unbecoming and doesn't mean shit on this message board.

You asked me for my opinion, I gave it to you and you didn't like the answer and started tossing out insults. When cornered, in order to divert attention from your own weak hand, you became more snide.

That about sums it up.

Good Link. It appears that had the unit encountered the goat herders or not, they had walked right into a trap. I'm glad They let the goat herders go. I suspect bad intel was more the cause. In the end locals came to the rescue.

 

[Intense]

Obama DID say it was the 'good war'; yet for a 'good war' it doesn't get much attention from him.

So more than doubling the number of U.S. troops there from about 30,000 to about 68,000 in nine months is not "much attention" in your opinion? Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but just what would it take for you to be satisfied with the amount of "attention" - a nuclear strike? And just how much time does Obama spend on Afghanistan each day?

Not trying to be a smart ass (maybe it just comes naturally - sorry) But I'm just really trying to figure out what evidence you weighed to arrive at the conclusion that Afghanistan "doesn't get much attention" from Obama.

I think there is ample evidence available to question things about this POTUS - but I haven't seen any evidence to support THAT complaint.

Obama is in the dog house on Afghanistan. He should say nothing rather than undermine the success of the Mission. Everything He says has consequence. The two things He can do as CIC, is first, get the best minds to honestly evaluate circumstances 24/7/365, and Second, listen to that advice. It is His place to make the tough decisions in a timely manner. It is not a show, it does not need to involve the public at every level, but it needs to be done. The third thing again is to keep his mouth shut until he is Sure of what to say.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Obama DID say it was the 'good war'; yet for a 'good war' it doesn't get much attention from him.

So more than doubling the number of U.S. troops there from about 30,000 to about 68,000 in nine months is not "much attention" in your opinion? Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but just what would it take for you to be satisfied with the amount of "attention" - a nuclear strike? And just how much time does Obama spend on Afghanistan each day?

Not trying to be a smart ass (maybe it just comes naturally - sorry) But I'm just really trying to figure out what evidence you weighed to arrive at the conclusion that Afghanistan "doesn't get much attention" from Obama.

I think there is ample evidence available to question things about this POTUS - but I haven't seen any evidence to support THAT complaint.

Obama is in the dog house on Afghanistan. He should say nothing rather than undermine the success of the Mission. Everything He says has consequence. The two things He can do as CIC, is first, get the best minds to honestly evaluate circumstances 24/7/365, and Second, listen to that advice. It is His place to make the tough decisions in a timely manner. It is not a show, it does not need to involve the public at every level, but it needs to be done. The third thing again is to keep his mouth shut until he is Sure of what to say.

There are many who are trying to put Obama in the doghouse over Afghanistan because it's a tough nut to crack and ANYTHING he says or does will draw criticism. He just got the request for more troops - kneejerk and timely are two different things.

Like I said - there are plenty of things to question without having to manufacture stuff. I haven't seen anything that is in conflict with your three opinions.
Gotta bail for now - but I'll check in later. Thanks for the chat - I've enjoyed it.