Zone1 I think Trump loosely organized the raid on his own home

[toobfreak]

You need to remember that the residence at Mar-a-Lago was and STILL IS guarded by Secret Service and HAD (maybe still exists, but decommissioned) SCIF or tank for the convenience of the President to WORK at the residence.

All ex presidents have a SCIF at their homes and are privy to receive daily security briefings. Good God, if there ever were a Manchurian candidate consideering all of the background checks, layers of security, etc., with everyone from Obama, to Biden/Harris/Hunter, to Hillary and the Clintons around (a la Loral and Charlie Trie) around, the last person I'd worry about is Trump.

 

[BULLDOG]

White 6

I could go into details as to evidence the FBI staged that photo -- but I can't. NOBODY KNOWS from that photo that ANY classified docs -- "are strewn haphazardly on the floor".

You silly goober. Nobody ever said those documents were found scattered on the floor. Have you never seen a picture guns or drugs laid out after a particularly large gun or drug bust?

 

[flacaltenn]

You silly goober. Nobody ever said those documents were found scattered on the floor. Have you never seen a picture guns or drugs laid out after a particularly large gun or drug bust?

That was the assumption the FBI wanted the naive public to make. No other reason for STAGING and leaking a propaganda photo like that. And the MEDIA willingfully did the nagging and the finger-pointing about the TRAGEDY of how Trump was handling the docs. Dont tell me that your CNN/MSNBC Comment-Tators didn't whine about that.

You or I dont even KNOW that those are classified docs. Because they carefully cover sheeted them and tossed them all together. ANYONE with those clearances KNOWS -- NOT TO MIX THEM. Especially the FBI -- because of "chain of evidence" requirements.

Read my post above. MANY Intel officials have publicly agreed with that assessment.

For gun or drug busts -- every bag or firearm is tagged and logged -- AFTER FORENSICS. You see any tags or clearly marked plastic bags on the folders or "supposedly" classified docs? That evidence had not yet been FORENSICALLY analyzed if it was at Mar-a-Lago.

 

[White 6]

The public announcement came WAY before the date you quoted. Trump even TWEETED the announcement. I think around summer of 2020. The stuff YOU POSTED is simply the LATEST attempt by the FBI to hide that material. RussiaGate is over. "No American" was colluding with Russians" -- says the Mueller report. ALL of it implicates the wrong-doing that needs to be published.

You need to remember that the residence at Mar-a-Lago was and STILL IS guarded by Secret Service and HAD (maybe still exists, but decommissioned) SCIF or tank for the convenience of the President to WORK at the residence. THIS is standard practice. And if you're referring to the ONE PHOTO the FBI leaked of documents carelessly strewn across an oriental rug -- that is PROPAGANDA for the media to feast on. It was STAGED. NOBODY does that. And MIXES random highly classified docs. This is the way the FBI rolls now. To LEAK shit like that and allow elitist media snobs to comment on "how dreadfully the former Prez treats Top Secrets".

NOBODY believes that picture wasn't staged for effect. Not even former top Intel advisors.

OK. I have also seen and held in my hand documents and reports that had once been classified top secret, but had been declassified. They were stamped and no longer in the same classified folders. The photo you refer to of classified folders laying on the floor is where they pulled some out, laid them out on the floor for the photograph. Anybody that thought they were found that way, was nutso. I certainly did not. It was striking, simply as being a basically low level guy, I have never seen more than one classified folder at a time in one setting, any time, anywhere. Somebody in echelons above reality (as we used to say) may shuffled them like playing cards for all I know, but if so, so far above my level, I never saw it. Like you said, there was a decommission SCIF there for his use but hardly a long term storage SCIF. Any locked room can be used as a SCIF for viewing or reading or working with a classified file that requires it if there is a guard set up preventing access to other than authorized personnel. Not all SCIFs are used for storage and certainly not for storage after someone no longer has the need to know access requirement, as at that point of decommissioning all would be removed. The room where the bulk documents were was at one time a storeroom for molding used for the outside of Mar-a-Lago, some people described as a closet in the basement, that just to have the files not taken back earlier, the FBI requested an additional lock be put on the door and it appears that it was. As for classified marked folders found in the desk of Trump's personal office at Mar-a-Lago, that certainly was not a SCIF for proper secure storage. It is just not how it is done. I do not know what was in those folders and neither do you, and unlikely we will ever know in completeness, as that is the nature of top secret file security. You can believe the best or the worst, the most innocuous or the most damnable and nobody will confirm or deny, because that is the way it is.

 

[BULLDOG]

That was the assumption the FBI wanted the naive public to make. No other reason for STAGING and leaking a propaganda photo like that. And the MEDIA willingfully did the nagging and the finger-pointing about the TRAGEDY of how Trump was handling the docs. Dont tell me that your CNN/MSNBC Comment-Tators didn't whine about that.

You or I dont even KNOW that those are classified docs. Because they carefully cover sheeted them and tossed them all together. ANYONE with those clearances KNOWS -- NOT TO MIX THEM. Especially the FBI -- because of "chain of evidence" requirements.

Read my post above. MANY Intel officials have publicly agreed with that assessment.

For gun or drug busts -- every bag or firearm is tagged and logged -- AFTER FORENSICS. You see any tags or clearly marked plastic bags on the folders or "supposedly" classified docs? That evidence had not yet been FORENSICALLY analyzed if it was at Mar-a-Lago.

No, dumb ass, That is the hystrionic claim you MAGAs came up with. Can you name one non-MAGA who said, or even hinted that those documents were scattered as the picture depicts? How about a link of NBC or MSNBC making the claim that you mention? Did you expect them to publicly display all those top secret documents so each of us could decide for ourselves if they were top secret? You don't think each and every one of those documents wasn't identified? I understaand that you are pretty dumb, but you've outdone yourself this time.

 

[BULLDOG]

OK. I have also seen and held in my hand documents and reports that had once been classified top secret, but had been declassified. They were stamped and no longer in the same classified folders. The photo you refer to of classified folders laying on the floor is where they pulled some out, laid them out on the floor for the photograph. Anybody that thought they were found that way, was nutso. I certainly did not. It was striking, simply as being a basically low level guy, I have never seen more than one classified folder at a time in one setting, any time, anywhere. Somebody in echelons above reality (as we used to say) may shuffled them like playing cards for all I know, but if so, so far above my level, I never saw it. Like you said, there was a decommission SCIF there for his use but hardly a long term storage SCIF. Any locked room can be used as a SCIF for viewing or reading or working with a classified file that requires it if there is a guard set up preventing access to other than authorized personnel. Not all SCIFs are used for storage and certainly not for storage after someone no longer has the need to know access requirement, as at that point of decommissioning all would be removed. The room where the bulk documents were was at one time a storeroom for molding used for the outside of Mar-a-Lago, some people described as a closet in the basement, that just to have the files not taken back earlier, the FBI requested an additional lock be put on the door and it appears that it was. As for classified marked folders found in the desk of Trump's personal office at Mar-a-Lago, that certainly was not a SCIF for proper secure storage. It is just not how it is done. I do not know what was in those folders and neither do you, and unlikely we will ever know in completeness, as that is the nature of top secret file security. You can believe the best or the worst, the most innocuous or the most damnable and nobody will confirm or deny, because that is the way it is.

These MAGAs are getting dumber by the day.

 

[White 6]

These MAGAs are getting dumber by the day.

No. Most people really do not have any experience with this kind of stuff. Conspiracy theory is very attractive (just like well done propaganda is very attractive) without hard facts, and you will not get many hard facts or official confirmations or denials on this type of material, or procedures or setups or even some of the regulations, as it is all "need to know".

 

[flacaltenn]

No, dumb ass, That is the hystrionic claim you MAGAs came up with. Can you name one non-MAGA who said, or even hinted that those documents were scattered as the picture depicts? How about a link of NBC or MSNBC making the claim that you mention? Did you expect them to publicly display all those top secret documents so each of us could decide for ourselves if they were top secret? You don't think each and every one of those documents wasn't identified? I understaand that you are pretty dumb, but you've outdone yourself this time.

Courtesy reminder. You're in Zone1 civil discussion -- dont get reported.

You really shouldn't challenge me to "name one non-MAGA who said, or even hinted that those documents were scattered as the picture depicts ". Because I never wing it and I never bluff. If ya need more -- let me know. Must be frustrating to be kept in dark by whatever media you consume.

Liz Cheney reacts to FBI image of Trump documents from Mar-a-Lago - Washington Examiner

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) took to Twitter after the Department of Justice released a photograph of classified documents obtained during the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort. Cheney, who has been a major critic of the former president, claimed the image revealed "yet...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Photo of Trump Documents Spread Over Mar-a-Lago Carpet Sparks Ridicule

One commentator said Trump had "the gaudiest 80s casino ass carpet imaginable".

www.newsweek.com

Politico White House reporter Max Tani retweeted the photo, adding: "The ugly floral commercial carpet, the gold framed covers of Time magazine. Trump has an interior design aesthetic he's been committed to for like 40 years."

Writer and graphic designer Rob Sheridan also retweeted the image, commenting: "Stolen classified documents laid out on the gaudiest 80s casino ass carpet imaginable is a perfect picture of the Trump story."

Symone D. Sanders-Townsend, a TV host who previously served as chief spokesperson to Vice President Kamala Harris, added: "1) I cannot believe pictures of these documents are on the internet. Truly I would have never imagined this when I worked at the WH. 2) WTF is going on with this carpet?!?"

DOJ Releases Shocking Mar-A-Lago Raid Photo of Top Secret Docs

An eye-popping image of highly sensitive government documents recovered by the FBI during the Mar-a-Lago raid was released Tuesday night ... as the feds accused the 45th President of "likely" trying to obstruct their investigation by hiding the materials.

www.tmz.com

Trump blasts FBI over filing including evidence photos of materials seized from Mar-a-Lago

Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday blasted FBI agents over the “terrible” way they spread out seized classified documents on the carpet of his Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month.

nypost.com

FBI Blasted for ‘Staged’ Photo of Documents Seized in Mar-a-Lago Raid

The FBI is under fire for a recent photo that showcased documents the Bureau seized from Mar-a-Lago scattered across the floor.

www.breitbart.com

The photo, which showed several redacted documents and others that were marked “TOP SECRET,” quickly made its way to social media after the DOJ submitted its filing to Federal Judge Aileen M. Cannon.

“DOJ wins daily PR battle with photo of classified documents strewn across floor at Mar-a-Lago,” Washington Examiner chief political correspondent Byron York noted. “Story is Trump alleged mis-handling of classified documents, and just look at them — scattered all over the floor! Can you believe it?”

York then shared a screenshot of a tweet from verified user Cheri Jacobus who posted the DOJ photo and said, “This is how Trump stored Top Secret material he stole.”



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By MY count -- that's almost twelve. And in sources that have TENS of MILLIONS of readers between them. Maybe you should add one to your news feeds.

 

[flacaltenn]

Any locked room can be used as a SCIF for viewing or reading or working with a classified file that requires it if there is a guard set up preventing access to other than authorized personnel. Not all SCIFs are used for storage and certainly not for storage after someone no longer has the need to know access requirement, as at that point of decommissioning all would be removed.

These are details I do not desire to get into. But you're wrong. There's are at least a half dozen big diffs between a SCIF and a locked room. And I will NOT get into that further either. But I WILL SAY that SCIFs are required if you do MORE than just read documents in them.

A SCIF is a fine and dandy storage site for sensitive Prez docs. Decommissioned or not. Dont even know exactly. Need to KNOW does not apply to a person who carries 98% of what's classified IN HIS HEAD. The govt needs to TRUST that the 98% of what's in his head --- is protected JUST AS WELL or better than those docs at Mar-a-Lago. Media morons dont understand that. And the FBI and Trump's tormentors DELIGHT in their ignorance.

 

[surada]

No you just couldn't get a little boner without your hate for Trump. When he is re--elected I can't wait to see all the snivelin, whinin and blubberin you fags do.

Trump has been the leaker since he was in the Oval Office. .. so yeah. Trump was bragging to anyone at Mara Lago that would listen.

Don't go off on fags. Trump's problems with men are too well known.

 

[surada]

All ex presidents have a SCIF at their homes and are privy to receive daily security briefings. Good God, if there ever were a Manchurian candidate consideering all of the background checks, layers of security, etc., with everyone from Obama, to Biden/Harris/Hunter, to Hillary and the Clintons around (a la Loral and Charlie Trie) around, the last person I'd worry about is Trump.

The SCIF is a temporary tent the size of a phone booth. .. Trump is not privy to daily security briefings. That's a rather stupid lie.

If Obama or Clinton or Bush gets a security briefing it strictly a courtesy at the discretion of the sitting president.

Trump has never had security clearance.

Remember, Trump ran away from Washington DC... He didn't stick around for a gracious transition like he was a civilized man... a he stole the documents.

 

[BULLDOG]

Courtesy reminder. You're in Zone1 civil discussion -- dont get reported.

You really shouldn't challenge me to "name one non-MAGA who said, or even hinted that those documents were scattered as the picture depicts ". Because I never wing it and I never bluff. If ya need more -- let me know. Must be frustrating to be kept in dark by whatever media you consume.

Liz Cheney reacts to FBI image of Trump documents from Mar-a-Lago - Washington Examiner

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) took to Twitter after the Department of Justice released a photograph of classified documents obtained during the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort. Cheney, who has been a major critic of the former president, claimed the image revealed "yet...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Photo of Trump Documents Spread Over Mar-a-Lago Carpet Sparks Ridicule

One commentator said Trump had "the gaudiest 80s casino ass carpet imaginable".

www.newsweek.com

Politico White House reporter Max Tani retweeted the photo, adding: "The ugly floral commercial carpet, the gold framed covers of Time magazine. Trump has an interior design aesthetic he's been committed to for like 40 years."

Writer and graphic designer Rob Sheridan also retweeted the image, commenting: "Stolen classified documents laid out on the gaudiest 80s casino ass carpet imaginable is a perfect picture of the Trump story."

Symone D. Sanders-Townsend, a TV host who previously served as chief spokesperson to Vice President Kamala Harris, added: "1) I cannot believe pictures of these documents are on the internet. Truly I would have never imagined this when I worked at the WH. 2) WTF is going on with this carpet?!?"

DOJ Releases Shocking Mar-A-Lago Raid Photo of Top Secret Docs

An eye-popping image of highly sensitive government documents recovered by the FBI during the Mar-a-Lago raid was released Tuesday night ... as the feds accused the 45th President of "likely" trying to obstruct their investigation by hiding the materials.

www.tmz.com

Trump blasts FBI over filing including evidence photos of materials seized from Mar-a-Lago

Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday blasted FBI agents over the “terrible” way they spread out seized classified documents on the carpet of his Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month.

nypost.com

FBI Blasted for ‘Staged’ Photo of Documents Seized in Mar-a-Lago Raid

The FBI is under fire for a recent photo that showcased documents the Bureau seized from Mar-a-Lago scattered across the floor.

www.breitbart.com

The photo, which showed several redacted documents and others that were marked “TOP SECRET,” quickly made its way to social media after the DOJ submitted its filing to Federal Judge Aileen M. Cannon.

“DOJ wins daily PR battle with photo of classified documents strewn across floor at Mar-a-Lago,” Washington Examiner chief political correspondent Byron York noted. “Story is Trump alleged mis-handling of classified documents, and just look at them — scattered all over the floor! Can you believe it?”

York then shared a screenshot of a tweet from verified user Cheri Jacobus who posted the DOJ photo and said, “This is how Trump stored Top Secret material he stole.”



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By MY count -- that's almost twelve. And in sources that have TENS of MILLIONS of readers between them. Maybe you should add one to your news feeds.

I read every link you gave. Other than MAGA sources, not one of them tried to claim the documents were found scattered on the floor. There was some ominous reference to some unnamed twitter posters, and of course the silly unfounded remark by Byron York, a noted conservative talking head, and several comments about how tacky trump's carpet is, but nothing giving any indication the documents were found scattered on the floor. In fact the comment released with the picture made it clear they were aranged there for the picture.

If you feel the need to report me then go for it. The fact remains that MAGAs are the only ones trying to make an issue of something that never happened, and your choice of links intending to prove the documents were displayed that way to imply they were found scattered on the foor is much less than smart. Not one of your links shows any such thing.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You silly goober. Nobody ever said those documents were found scattered on the floor. Have you never seen a picture guns or drugs laid out after a particularly large gun or drug bust?

The police, or DEA, or ATF, or whatever law enforcement looking to self-glorify stage those pictures also.

I guess it's OK to publish information about an ongoing investigation, but only if the prosecutors really want to.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The police, or DEA, or ATF, or whatever law enforcement looking to self-glorify stage those pictures also.

I guess it's OK to publish information about an ongoing investigation, but only if the prosecutors really want to.

Is that why the DEA lays out all the drugs after a big haul?

Is that why my local PD did the same?

Thanks for letting us know.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Is that why the DEA lays out all the drugs after a big haul?

Is that why my local PD did the same?

Thanks for letting us know.

Yes, that is what my post said. Sorry if it was unclear. I'll state it plainly:

When law enforcement lays out evidence it claims to have seized in a warrant-based raid, and photographs it for publication, the goal is their self-glorification.

If they were only concerned about following the law and preserving evidence, they would of course have body-cams on all officers, plus at least one standing back and recording the action. They would bag and tag the evidence and take it quickly to the evidence room or crime lab for processing.

No, it wasn't something that they invented for Trump, if that's your point.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes, that is what my post said. Sorry if it was unclear. I'll state it plainly:

When law enforcement lays out evidence it claims to have seized in a warrant-based raid, and photographs it for publication, the goal is their self-glorification.

If they were only concerned about following the law and preserving evidence, they would of course have body-cams on all officers, plus at least one standing back and recording the action. They would bag and tag the evidence and take it quickly to the evidence room or crime lab for processing.

No, it wasn't something that they invented for Trump, if that's your point.

I always took it as them showing the people paying their salaries "hey, we are doing our job that you pay us for"

But maybe you are correct