I suspect this is a setup to get someone to do something stupid.

[mamooth]

Oh look at the flop sweat of another Useful Idiot

<backing away, smiling>

<twirling finger now>

 

[Batcat]

Looks like trump hiding secret documents already backfired on him. He already had a chance to return the doccuments, when they got those 15 boxes full, but the orange cheat thought he could hide some of them. Trump is an idiot if he thinks he can get away with it this time.

Keep in mind the President can declassify anything he wants whenever he wants to.

Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?

www.globalsecurity.org

***snip***

The president's classification and declassification powers are broad

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it's done -- it's because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the 'Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States'" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court's majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president's authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren't necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

 

[Batcat]

Crazy right wingers have been having wet dreams about a civil war for a long time. You're so childishly silly.

We should always try to correct problems in our nation by first voting. It has a long history of working.

 

[forkup]

He can de-classify

Flop sweat ensues

He can't if he isn't president. It is also not an answer. You guys are up in arms about this, so I'm asking what prerogatives you believe an EX-PRESIDENT has? Are they above the law?

 

[forkup]

Keep in mind the President can declassify anything he wants whenever he wants to.

Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?

www.globalsecurity.org

***snip***

The president's classification and declassification powers are broad

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it's done -- it's because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the 'Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States'" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court's majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president's authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren't necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

Problem is Trump is NO LONGER president. In your snippet do you see any indication otherwise?

 

[forkup]

Keep in mind the President can declassify anything he wants whenever he wants to.

Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?

www.globalsecurity.org

***snip***

The president's classification and declassification powers are broad

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it's done -- it's because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the 'Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States'" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court's majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president's authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren't necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

Also does it say anywhere that once a president leaves office he's allowed to take and keep government documents regardless of they are classified? Can you find anything that supports that?

 

[SweetSue92]

He can't if he isn't president. It is also not an answer. You guys are up in arms about this, so I'm asking what prerogatives you believe an EX-PRESIDENT has? Are they above the law?

Apparently only Democrats are above the law. But maybe those days are about to end

 

[forkup]

Apparently only Democrats are above the law. But maybe those days are about to end

Sorry whataboutisms aren't answers either. Even IF you can show me hypocritical. Something I promise you you can't, your position still would be wrong to. So I'll ask again.

Do you believe an EX-PRESIDENT is above the law?

 

[SweetSue92]

Sorry whataboutisms aren't answers either. Even IF you can show me hypocritical. Something I promise you you can't, your position still would be wrong to. So I'll ask again.

Do you believe an EX-PRESIDENT is above the law?

Do you believe the FBI is above the law?

We can play Stupid Internet Games all day

 

[night_son]

...so don't do anything stupid.

Bide your time.

Win the House.

Investigate everyone.

Good advice. I would only add: stay out of protests in D.C. and beware of democrat agents dressed up in patriotic or conservative clothing who go by the initials: FBI.

 

[cnm]

Do you believe the FBI is above the law?

We can play Stupid Internet Games all day

And you will win stupid prizes. Just like the LOTUS.

 

[forkup]

Do you believe the FBI is above the law?

We can play Stupid Internet Games all day

No I don't think the FBI is above the law. These are not very hard questions.

So again are you of the opinion that an ex-president is above the law.

These are not stupid Internet games. This is me establishing our respective positions like one does in an actual debate.

 

[mamooth]

In the minds of the Trump cultists, Trump mentally declassified everything on the way out, so that counts!

Needless to say, any judge would laugh hard at that argument.

 

[Leviticus]

Biden is hoping a militia group tries to take him out. Then he declares martial law and stops all elections. From there Hitler will have a second coming...

This is by design... they want this to happen so they can keep power permanently.

That was literally Trump's plan in 2020....Create a slate of unofficial electors, have them declare him the winner, have Pence and the GOP governors declare that the fake electors were the legit EC and that Trump won, then declare martial law.

 

[konradv]

...so don't do anything stupid.

Bide your time.

Win the House.

Investigate everyone.

You’re talking to people who won’t listen.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...so don't do anything stupid.

Bide your time.

Win the House.

Investigate everyone.

Yeah, that worked so well with the whole fake FISA warrants Russian Dossier.

 

[Batcat]

Also does it say anywhere that once a president leaves office he's allowed to take and keep government documents regardless of they are classified? Can you find anything that supports that?

That will likely be the main argument. Of course Trump may hay declassified the documents he took but was he allowed to take them?

My question is why the FBI never pulls raids like this on Democrats like Hillary, Hunter and Joe Biden?

Are the DOJ and the FBI working for the Democratic Party?

Not Raided by FBI: Bidens, Clintons, Russia Hoaxers, Black Lives Matter

The shocking raid of former President Trump's home stood in stark contrast to the many Trump opponents the FBI has not raided.

www.breitbart.com

Newly Declassified FBI Materials Show Bureau Treated Clinton, Trump Campaigns Differently On Foreign Interference | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[22lcidw]

...so don't do anything stupid.

Bide your time.

Win the House.

Investigate everyone.

The Repubs will have to start governing like Progs do. Either Progs will stop, or it will be nasty in D.C. and the nation.

 

[jknowgood]

Looks like trump hiding secret documents already backfired on him. He already had a chance to return the doccuments, when they got those 15 boxes full, but the orange cheat thought he could hide some of them. Trump is an idiot if he thinks he can get away with it this time.

This will backfire on you stupid loons.

 

[BULLDOG]

He can de-classify

Flop sweat ensues

Odd that he didn't mention de-classifying anything. He claimed he didn't have anything.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978 | National Archives

www.archives.gov