I Should Have an AR-15, but not YOU! Gun grabber speaks honestly

[Blues Man]

Because illiterate, the lethality of the cartridge in .223 with limited recoil is just as important to defining the AR15 as the features it has. The AR15 platform in .308 is. is no where near as plentiful on the civilian market for one reason……think of it.

The 5.56 mm round was not chosen for its lethality

 

[Dagosa]

The 5.56 mm round was not chosen for its lethality

You’re a piece of work. You just proved you miss quoted me…unbelievable.

 

[Dagosa]

The 5.56 mm round was not chosen for its lethality

Of course it was. You’re totally absurd. If it wasn’t lethal, it would not be chosen at all. You don’t even know what lethality is do you ? We’re talking about lethality to humanoids, not a killer whale.

 

[Blues Man]

You’re a piece of work. You just proved you miss quoted me…unbelievable.

The lethality of the 5.56 was not the deciding factor in it's adoption. Everyone knows that it is a less lethal round than either the 6.8 or the 7.62. Well everyone but you

There was more concern about weight and standardization within NATO not to mention the fact that the US at the time held a near monopoly on the manufacture of both the round and the rifles.

 

[Blues Man]

Of course it was. You’re totally absurd. If it wasn’t lethal, it would not be chosen at all. You don’t even know what lethality is do you ?

It's LESS lethal than the 7.62 that it replaced.

The compromise was more rounds fired for the same weight

 

[Dagosa]

Not a member of the NRA
Don't watch Fox News
Didn't vote for Trump

I'll stand back now and watch your tiny little brain explode

Why, you can claim anything, anytime on the internet.

 

[Blues Man]

Why, you can claim anything, anytime on the internet.

You mean just like you do when you ASSUME things about me?

 

[Dagosa]

The lethality of the 5.56 was not the deciding factor in it's adoption. Everyone knows that it is a less lethal round than either the 6.8 or the 7.62. Well everyone but you

Now you‘re you’re changing your tune because you know I’m right. Lethality is A DECIDING FACTOR. Funny. The 5.56 is lethal for the task at hand as required by the military. It had to reliably penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yards…..that’s not 700 yards.

All you have to do is look at victims of mass murderers using this round. It was chosen to fulfill the military requirements….
They aren’t the same as need by anyone in the civilian world except but a mass murderer. I guess if you’re attack by a herd of rabid pigs in heat, it would be an exception.
Because in the military, that’s what is required…..kill and incapacitate as many humanoids as efficiently as possible. That requires minimal felt recoil and lots of ammo…..just what mass killers use when they can get their hands on one…..they are AVAILABLE.

 

[Blues Man]

Now you‘re you’re changing your tune because you know I’m right. Funny. The 5.56 is lethal for the task at hand as required by the military. It had to reliably penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yards…..that’s not 700 yards.

All you have to do is look at victims of mass murderers using this round. It was chosen to fulfill the military requirements….
They aren’t the same as need by anyone in civilian world but a mass murderer. Because in the military, that’s what is required…..kill and incapacitate as many as efficiently as possible. .

It's used in mass murders because it happens to be the round for the most popular rifle in the country.

NOT because the shooters think it's the most lethal round.

Once again your "logic" applied to drunk driving would conclude that banning the most popular beer in the country (Bud Light) would end drunk driving.

 

[Blues Man]

Now you‘re you’re changing your tune because you know I’m right. Lethality is A DECIDING FACTOR. Funny. The 5.56 is lethal for the task at hand as required by the military. It had to reliably penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yards…..that’s not 700 yards.

All you have to do is look at victims of mass murderers using this round. It was chosen to fulfill the military requirements….
They aren’t the same as need by anyone in the civilian world except but a mass murderer. I guess if you’re attack by a herd of rabid pigs in heat, it would be an exception.
Because in the military, that’s what is required…..kill and incapacitate as many humanoids as efficiently as possible. That requires minimal felt recoil and lots of ammo…..just what mass killers use when they can get their hands on one…..they are AVAILABLE.

It MIGHT penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yds with a perfect shot but that is hardly a common occurrence

 

[Dagosa]

It's used in mass murders because it happens to be the round for the most popular rifle in the country.

And it’s popularity stems from its low felt recoil, and ability to through as many rounds down range as cheaply as possible for the desired effect.

Shit, as soon as you hear how “ fun to shoot” they are, you have a problem. A fking .22 is fun to shoot, but it doesn’t have anywhere near the lethality out to 500 yards. Let’s get real, they are for mass murder.

 

[Blues Man]

And it’s popularity stems from its low felt recoil, and ability to through as many rounds down range as cheaply as possible for the desired effect.

Shit, as soon as you hear how “ fun to shoot” they are, you have a problem. A fking .22 is fun to shoot, but it doesn’t have anywhere near the lethality out to 500 yards. Let’s get real, they are for mass murder.

The military definition of effective range isn't based on lethality it's one of 2 things

the distance at which the bullet energy falls below 58 ftlb,
or
• the distance at which the average recruit can hit the target only 50% of the time.

And even a .22 can be lethal up to a mile away.

But you do at least imply that any close quarter mass shooting like Uvalve could have been committed with any rifle because it really doesn't matter how lethal a round is at 500 meters but how lethal it is up close and personal

 

[Dagosa]

It MIGHT penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yds with a perfect shot but that is hardly a common occurrence

Now you’re bring a silly excepting to CYA. An idiot deranged sissy boy reject becomes a mass killer with minimal training with these firearms…easily out to 500 yards.

you know it….there just isn’t another platform out there that provides this opportunity, capacity and availability to a mass murderer.

 

[Dagosa]

The military definition of effective range isn't based on lethality it's one of 2 things

That’s ridiculous. Of course it is. Lethality is always a factor in choosing any of their common issues firearms. You’re just stroking the mule now.

 

[Blues Man]

Now you’re bring a silly excepting to CYA. An idiot deranged sissy boy reject becomes a mass killer with minimal training with these firearms…easily out to 500 yards.

you know it….there just isn’t another platform out there that provides this opportunity, capacity and availability to a mass murderer.

Bullshit.

The 500 yd effective range is defined by the military at the distance a recruit can it a target HALF OF THE TIME. It says nothing about the likelihood of killing the target at 500 yards

 

[Dagosa]

And even a .22 can be lethal up to a mile away.

You’re into this fking one way train of thought. The military uses science. Science deals in percentages of success and failures not making all or nothing comparisons.

 

[Dagosa]

Bullshit.

The 500 yd effective range is defined by the military at the distance a recruit can it a target HALF OF THE TIME. It says nothing about the likelihood of killing the target at 500 yards

The spec requirements are what they are……

 

[Blues Man]

That’s ridiculous. Of course it is. Lethality is always a factor in choosing any of their common issues firearms. You’re just stroking the mule now.

Wrong again

All any round has to do is injure or incapacitate and that is the desired effect as far as the military is concerned

 

[Flash]

They aren’t the same as need by anyone in the civilian world except but a mass murderer. I guess if you’re attack by a herd of rabid pigs in heat, it would be an exception.

The great majority (like 95%+) of the people killed by gun fire in the US are killed with pistol rounds. 9mm is the most lethal round if you measure the number of people killed.

 

[Blues Man]

You’re into this fking one way train of thought. The military uses science. Science deals in percentages of success and failures not making all or nothing comparisons.

And the military defines effective range as one where a recruit achieves 50% accuracy