I Met Two Waitresses Last Evening - a Point about Economics

[Seymour Flops]

People play the hand they are dealt.

The poor exploit social benefits for the most benefit
The wealthy exploit the tax code to maximize benefits

The only difference is the wealthy have a team of accountants and attorneys to make sure they don’t get caught.

No, the difference is that the wealthy - for the most part - earn their money and their "exploit" of the tax code is to try and keep more of what they earned.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Let's stop it all. OK? Think it will happen?

No, it will not all be stopped. But we can try to shame our politicians into reducing the worst and most harmful excesses.

Or we can just say "it will never change," and find another hobby.

I'm not going to say "we have to keep harming the poor with social welfare as long as the rich get corporate welfare."

 

[initforme]

Well we are told who will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

 

[pknopp]

No, it will not all be stopped. But we can try to shame our politicians into reducing the worst and most harmful excesses.

Or we can just say "it will never change," and find another hobby.

I'm not going to say "we have to keep harming the poor with social welfare as long as the rich get corporate welfare."

I am. Corporate welfare greatly harm the poor. You can't condemn harming the poor and then condemn them when they need help.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I am. Corporate welfare greatly harm the poor. You can't condemn harming the poor and then condemn them when they need help.

What? Did you word that correctly?

I never condemned the poor. I condemn the politicians who want to keep them poor by making poverty more comfortable.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well we are told who will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Isn't it "the meek will inherit the Earth?"

Maybe so. But they will have to work their asses off to maintain it.

 

[pknopp]

What? Did you word that correctly?

I never condemned the poor. I condemn the politicians who want to keep them poor by making poverty more comfortable.

But yet you won't condemn those comfortable in their 3rd vacation home and the actions that creates that.

 

[initforme]

Isn't it "the meek will inherit the Earth?"

Maybe so. But they will have to work their asses off to maintain it.

They will put in the work. Theyre the ones that make the nation go.

 

[Seymour Flops]

But yet you won't condemn those comfortable in their 3rd vacation home and the actions that creates that.

I condemn corporate welfare and the profiteers of it.

But if someone worked to earn enough to have a 3d vacation home, why besides envy would I condemn them?

Especially if they created or run companies that provide jobs that help people out of poverty?

 

[pknopp]

I condemn corporate welfare and the profiteers of it.

But if someone worked to earn enough to have a 3d vacation home, why besides envy would I condemn them?

Evade the point. They got it because of the billions pumped into the markets.

Especially if they created or run companies that provide jobs that help people out of poverty?

The billions and billions is what causes the inflation which put the poor and middle class further and further behind.

But you know all of this.

 

[rightwinger]

No, the difference is that the wealthy - for the most part - earn their money and their "exploit" of the tax code is to try and keep more of what they earned.

Are you shittin* me?

You think the poor exploit the system?
Nobody exploits the system like the wealthy.

A system built by them and FOR them.

 

[Lisa558]

Helping people who need help

Nobody ever was better off by receiving less

Of COURSE people are better off when they don’t have every need paid for by someone else.

Giving a young adult child enough money for him to pay the rent for his own apartment, buy the food he needs, and make the car payment robs him of the incentive to do these things for himself - or at least work toward it.

Why are Democrats so insistent on infantilizing adults, and providing for all their needs when they are capable of providing, in part at least, for themselves?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Evade the point. They got it because of the billions pumped into the markets.

I do not condemn the poor for taking the money their leaders are telling them that they are entitled to.

I do not condemn the rich for being rich. But I condemn the system that pumps billions of dollars into their pockets.

The billions and billions is what causes the inflation which put the poor and middle class further and further behind.

Yes, I condemn it all. Maybe you want to debate someone who disagrees with that?

But you know all of this.

Yes, inflation caused by government spending harms us all.

 

[rightwinger]

Of COURSE people are better off when they don’t have every need paid for by someone else.

Giving a young adult child enough money for him to pay the rent for his own apartment, buy the food he needs, and make the car payment robs him of the incentive to do these things for himself - or at least work toward it.

Why are Democrats so insistent on infantilizing adults, and providing for all their needs when they are capable of providing, in part at least, for themselves?

Why do Conservatives hate people?

They bend over backwards to make sure Billionaires are not inconvenienced but ***** like crazy over programs that provide food, shelter, healthcare and education for the poor and working class

 

[MarathonMike]

Working and accomplishing goals is good for mental health. Dependency leads to stress and depression.

I think of all jobs I had starting at age 11 shoveling driveways for a quarter. I benefited greatly from working hard, and I think people sell themselves short by avoiding it.

 

[leftwinger]

My point is that most of the government entitlements you whine about you are fine with.


Except they really weren't.

You don't pay into unemployment insurance, your employer does.

Medicare is only 1% of your income for life. That would be wiped out with a serious medical condition in less than a year. (It doesn't help that so many old people just go to the doctor because they are lonely and the Doctor is the only one who will listen to their problems.)

That leaves us with Social Security. Forget for the moment that more than 50% of what is paid into SSI is employers, not employees. If you retire at 65 and live to be 72, you will get back everything you paid in. The average lifespan is 78. That's why SOcial Security is going broke. The Oldsters are living longer after Corporate America sucks them dry.



An unwilling horse is more trouble than walking.

Except no everyone willing to work would be able to get a job as a waitress. Quite the contrary, a waitress job requires a certain skill set (if you are any good at it) in being able to deal with demanding customers.



We should have universal health care. Linking health care to employment is insanity. We are the only country that does it this way, and we get the worst results.



Again, the problem here is that employers tend to be assholes. Yes, when times are good (usually when a Democrat is in office) employers will pay above minimum wage to get employees for these entry level jobs. Conversely, when times are not so good (usually after a Republican Tanks the economy, and here we go again) Employers are very quick to low ball employees and get rid of people they hired when times were good.

Fixing the minimum wage is part of it. So are other worker's rights issue like getting rid of "At Will" employment.



You think Republicans want to go after the people who hire illegals.

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Chock full of BS or lying by Joe the CommeStain. Too much to plow thru now. Games on.

 

[Muhammed]

People play the hand they are dealt.

The poor exploit social benefits for the most benefit
The wealthy exploit the tax code to maximize benefits

The only difference is the wealthy have a team of accountants and attorneys to make sure they don’t get caught.

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Stupid commie drivel.

 

[JoeB131]

Chock full of BS or lying by Joe the CommeStain. Too much to plow thru now. Games on.

Again, your concession is duly noted.

If you are going to plagarize a much smarter, better, poster's image rightwinger, you should really try to emulate his level of skill at this.

 

[rightwinger]

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Stupid commie drivel.

Ever since Reagan we have centered on supply side economics. Reward the rich and it will trickle down with jobs and prosperity.

All they do is keep the money

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ever since Reagan we have centered on supply side economics. Reward the rich and it will trickle down with jobs and prosperity.

All they do is keep the money

Is that true of the billions of dollars the health insurance providers are rewarded with through the ACA temporary subsidies which will soon expire?