I Met Two Waitresses Last Evening - a Point about Economics

[August West]

Of course.

Why else did the McCain-Cheney faction of the Republican Party keep telling the hapless GWB that forever wars are a good thing?

Dubya was a dumb, but likable guy who let the wrong people call the shots.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Minimum wage jobs shouldn't have to come with benefits like health care. People should just have it like every other first world country.

Is there a country that has a successful universal healthcare system which is not also a U.S. dependent, either on foreign aid, military protection, or both? Also which has the same level of immigration to deal with as we do - relative to their size?

Could you name a few?

Or just one. The one with the best healthcare system.

 

[August West]

Agreed. 100%. My wife is disabled due to PTSD. She wishes that she could have worked before she met me. Now she doesn’t need to.

O the other hand several members of her family, fully healthy, just bask in their welfare, SNAP, etc… benefits to the point where they go nuts at the suggestion that they nee to at least help support themselves.

My mother in law spent almost 25 years running a shelter to low income housing program. I asked her what the biggest difference between their clients was when she started and when she retired. Her answer… legend I started, they snuck in the door. They were embarrassed to be there. At the end they walked in like they owned the place.”

Here`s a local woman with no job, no husband and 8 kids who found time to attend Trump`s riot and protest the govt. who feeds her and her future welfare recipients.

Rachel Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pknopp]

Is there a country that has a successful universal healthcare system which is not also a U.S. dependent, either on foreign aid, military protection, or both? Also which has the same level of immigration to deal with as we do - relative to their size?

Could you name a few?

Or just one. The one with the best healthcare system.

We have a great system for those who can afford it. For others not so much. We are the only first world country where people have to file bankruptcy over health care debt.

I am also against the billions we fund in bribes to get other countries to do what we wish.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Agreed. 100%. My wife is disabled due to PTSD. She wishes that she could have worked before she met me. Now she doesn’t need to.

O the other hand several members of her family, fully healthy, just bask in their welfare, SNAP, etc… benefits to the point where they go nuts at the suggestion that they nee to at least help support themselves.

My mother in law spent almost 25 years running a shelter to low income housing program. I asked her what the biggest difference between their clients was when she started and when she retired. Her answer… legend I started, they snuck in the door. They were embarrassed to be there. At the end they walked in like they owned the place.”

Yes, it sounds like your lady took the route of marrying a good provider, something that has also been largely lost due to welfare. Women on welfare find it hard to find a man who is as dependable a provider as government, so government is competing with men who are willing to put in the work to have a family. Sadly that is perpetuated through multiple generations as young girls see the examples their moms set with a revolving door for men coming to the house, but steadfast loyalty to the local welfare office.

The older lady I described was playing for fun, and didn't care that she was losing money, probably a couple of hundred bucks over three hours. Meanwhile, her hubby was playing at stakes that typically buy in for 3K to 5K, money which can be lost with the turn of a card. So, he has some money, money one works for, not welfare. She looked like she was probably a looker back in the day, and that helps. But there is someone for everyone. A young couple earning minimum wage for 40 hours can pay for rent and food.

Finishing high school, getting married and having jobs is the way out of poverty. So is waiting to have kids until you can afford them. Smart choices that seem not to be taught anymore.

 

[Anathema]

Here`s a local woman with no job, no husband and 8 kids who found time to attend Trump`s riot and protest the govt. who feeds her and her future welfare recipients.

Her family, private charity (if she meets their criteria), or LET HER DIE.

The kids should be given to their fathers to be supported by them.

 

[Seymour Flops]

We have a great system for those who can afford it. For others not so much. We are the only first world country where people have to file bankruptcy over health care debt.

Yes, I appreciate your saying so. So many have fallen for the propaganda that our health system is terrible, when such claims are based on misuse of statistics.

We have a great system. I'm just a hardworking school teacher, and my healthcare coverage could be called "perfectly adequate." Or it could be called "great coverage that allows me the best treatments available through the market in the most advanced nation in the world. Having gone through major surgeries and treatment for cancer a few years ago, and being a frequent doctor visitor ever since, that's what I call it.

People like myself, working hard for what we have, do not want to give up that great health system for wait lists, inferior care, and being treated like welfare recipients at state-run hospitals just so that "everyone" can have the exact same. In UHC countries, only the wealthy get quality healthcare that we in the U.S. who work for a living get as part of our compensation.

I am also against the billions we fund in bribes to get other countries to do what we wish.

But would those countries be able to afford their "free" healthcare systems if we did not provide those funds? If you knew that they could not, would you favor giving them those funds so that they can have their UHC?

 

[pknopp]

Yes, I appreciate your saying so. So many have fallen for the propaganda that our health system is terrible, when such claims are based on misuse of statistics.

We have a great system. I'm just a hardworking school teacher, and my healthcare coverage could be called "perfectly adequate." Or it could be called "great coverage that allows me the best treatments available through the market in the most advanced nation in the world. Having gone through major surgeries and treatment for cancer a few years ago, and being a frequent doctor visitor ever since, that's what I call it.

People like myself, working hard for what we have, do not want to give up that great health system for wait lists, inferior care, and being treated like welfare recipients at state-run hospitals just so that "everyone" can have the exact same. In UHC countries, only the wealthy get quality healthcare that we in the U.S. who work for a living get as part of our compensation.

If we have a poor system it would only be because it would be what we accepted. Quick turn over of those who refuse to address issues should be the norm as opposed to 30-40 years in office.

But would those countries be able to afford their "free" healthcare systems if we did not provide those funds? If you knew that they could not, would you favor giving them those funds so that they can have their UHC?

cut off the funds and we will find out. It is also largely our funds that cause and create the problems.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Here`s a local woman with no job, no husband and 8 kids who found time to attend Trump`s riot and protest the govt. who feeds her and her future welfare recipients.

Rachel Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I didn't see the part about her being on welfare, but if she is, she should be working. Anyone who has time to attend any protest in which people assault federal officers has no business being on welfare. Right now the target is ICE agents, and those attacking them should immediately lose all federal benefits for good.

 

[candycorn]

My guess is that they each come from a culture in which the idea of living off the work of others is hateful. The American culture from the sixties and seventies and the Fillapino culture.

My guess is that the “life of luxury” you and other right wind dumbfucks imagine that those on assistance lead doesn’t really exist. What you stumbled accross is the norm; not the exception. That spirit still permeates. Hence the low unemployment numbers though a lot of Americans fall into that ever broadening category of “the working poor”.

The problem you and your fellow dumbfucks have is that you think the poor a threat to you. The threat is the guy you work for deciding to move the plant overseas, the guy you work for deciding that he needs more income and trimming the staff, the guy you work for deciding that you’ve outlived your usefulness if you’re injured on the job.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If we have a poor system it would only be because it would be what we accepted. Quick turn over of those who refuse to address issues should be the norm as opposed to 30-40 years in office.

We have a great heathcare system from my perspective. I agree that our politburo-level incumbant re-election percentage is bizarre as is lawmakers "serving" for decades.

cut off the funds and we will find out. It is also largely our funds that cause and create the problems.

How about answering the hypothetical. If we cut off funds to a particular nation with UHC and they had to end their UHC as a result, should we go back to funding them?

 

[pknopp]

We have a great system from my perspective.

Those who have, often do.

How about answering the hypothetical. If we cut off funds to a particular nation with UHC and they had to end their UHC as a result, should we go back to funding them?

I answered. Cut it off. I'm betting the ground doesn't collapse under them like some think.

 

[rightwinger]

As a customer who is expected to pay a living wage, maybe it would help if I knew how much my waitress made last week and last year so I can tip accordingly.

If you are struggling to get by, maybe I should tip you more.
If the waitress makes more than I do, maybe I should say……Here is five bucks

 

[Anathema]

Yes, it sounds like your lady took the route of marrying a good provider, something that has also been largely lost due to welfare. Women on welfare find it hard to find a man who is as dependable a provider as government, so government is competing with men who are willing to put in the work to have a family. Sadly that is perpetuated through multiple generations as young girls see the examples their moms set with a revolving door for men coming to the house, but steadfast loyalty to the local welfare office.

My wife’s family se Puerto Rican. Her biological sisters referred to me as “the rich ehite guy” for the first six months we dated. That was my bane to them. I am by no means rich, but the fact that I could pay my own rent was literally shocking to these people.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Those who have, often do.

Beauty part is that "those who have" is not some exclusive club in this country. It's part of "hard work privilege."

I answered. Cut it off. I'm betting the ground doesn't collapse under them like some think.

I understand why you do not want to answer.

If you say, "no, cut off their funds, even if it means no UHC for them! Why should the American taxpayer pay for their healthcare?" Then it immediately poses the question, "yes, why should American taxpayers pay for ANYONE's healthcare, including Americans?"

"Because they are our countrymen!" would be grating on the nerves for "those who have" which overlaps almost perfectly "those who pay for welfare," and have had enough of lifetime welfare dolees constantly demanding more.

Of course this:

Renders the "our countrymen" claim pretty silly.

 

[pknopp]

Beauty part is that "those who have" is not some exclusive club in this country. It's part of "hard work privilege."

I understand why you do not want to answer.

If you say, "no, cut off their funds, even if it means no UHC for them! Why should the American taxpayer pay for their healthcare?" Then it immediately poses the question, "yes, why should American taxpayers pay for ANYONE's healthcare, including Americans?"

"Because they are our countrymen!" would be grating on the nerves for "those who have" which overlaps almost perfectly "those who pay for welfare," and have had enough of lifetime welfare dolees constantly demanding more.

Of course this:

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Renders the "our countrymen" claim pretty silly.

Since you won't be honest in your replies, all done.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Since you won't be honest in your replies, all done.

Darn!

I was sure hoping you would name that country with the best UHC. UHC is something that sounds great in theory, but actual examples never seem to be very desireable.

 

[sparky]

What happens to any industry governments subsidize is they no longer need to compete for customers , the effects of which should be rather obvious to even the most aloof user......~S~

 

[SaxonJackson]

Hard work is only part of success. Strict budgeting and putting as much into savings as possible is also a part of it. When possible, put your money into Money Market accounts rather than standard savings accounts. Avoid frivolous misuse of the money you earn (booze, pot, fingernails, Starbucks, $350.00 Nike shoes, etc.). Instead, quit the booze and drugs; ladies can do their own nails; grind and brew your own coffee; and buy $40.00 tennis shoes.

 

[August West]

Hard work is only part of success. Strict budgeting and putting as much into savings as possible is also a part of it. When possible, put your money into Money Market accounts rather than standard savings accounts. Avoid frivolous misuse of the money you earn (booze, pot, fingernails, Starbucks, $350.00 Nike shoes, etc.). Instead, quit the booze and drugs; ladies can do their own nails; grind and brew your own coffee; and buy $40.00 tennis shoes.

Make your own booze and grow your own weed. It`s easy enough.