I just don't get pro-death people

[Pedro de San Patricio]

By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally. What arrogance it is to set other people below you to such an extent that you decide who lives and who dies; that you decide when and if their lives have value. I understand that many people find my values of protecting the powerless and preventing oppression to be barbaric and inhumane, but this is just beyond the pale.

Explain this to me. How should I not see you as a threat to my life? If you think you judge who's a real person then how do I know you won't try to deprive me of personhood? If you think you can kill whomever you like then what guarantee do I have that you will make no attempt on my life? If I can't trust you not to murder your own children, then why the fuck should I let you come anywhere close to mine?

 

[Avatar4321]

How do you conclude someone who rapes, tortures, and murders children doesn't deserve to die?

 

[Pogo]

How do you conclude someone who rapes, tortures, and murders children doesn't deserve to die?

How do you conclude the State has the right to take that life?

When the State is the entity that actually creates life -- or at the least comes up with a way to click "Undo" on a wrongful execution--- we'll revisit. Until then..... back off, The State.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

The right to life is a recognized and inalienable right. I would argue that it is the most basic right, as all others hinge on it. The value of a life is inherent. You cannot gain more value than someone else. You cannot lose what you have.

 

[Eaglewings]

I do agree with you although I am glad someone like Ted Bundy is not able to escape again and murder off a dozen or more young innocent girls.

 

[SAYIT]

By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally. What arrogance it is to set other people below you to such an extent that you decide who lives and who dies; that you decide when and if their lives have value. I understand that many people find my values of protecting the powerless and preventing oppression to be barbaric and inhumane, but this is just beyond the pale.

Explain this to me. How should I not see you as a threat to my life? If you think you judge who's a real person then how do I know you won't try to deprive me of personhood? If you think you can kill whomever you like then what guarantee do I have that you will make no attempt on my life? If I can't trust you not to murder your own children, then why the fuck should I let you come anywhere close to mine?

Well, it's too late to abort you so there's no threat to your life there and as long as you restrain yourself there's precious little chance you will receive a gov't sponsored lethal injection. While we execute about 35 hard cases per year, we flush the remains of over 1 million kids per year.

My guess?

You'll be OK.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"I just don't get pro-death people"

Likely because there aren't any.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The animals who rape, torture and murder forfeit their own lives...
They deserve to die, much more harshly then the easy way out the state prepares for them...

 

[Moonglow]

Nobody really understands this guy...
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[Pedro de San Patricio]

"I just don't get pro-death people"

Likely because there aren't any.

Pro-abortion and pro-capital punishment people would count. So would warhawks.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

PEDRO DE SAN PATRICIO SAID:

"By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally."

This fails as a false comparison fallacy, one having nothing to do with the other.

It's perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion and support a woman's right to privacy, where one is at liberty to seek an end to abortion that comports with the Constitution and its case law.

Consequently, those who support a woman's right to decide whether to have a child or not absent unwarranted interference from the state are not 'pro-death,' it's a ridiculous lie to maintain otherwise.

Those who support capital punishment are likewise not 'pro-death,' as those executed were afforded comprehensive due process, found guilty and sentenced in accordance with the law, consistent with current 8th Amendment jurisprudence.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

PEDRO DE SAN PATRICIO SAID:

"By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally."

This fails as a false comparison fallacy, one having nothing to do with the other.

It's perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion and support a woman's right to privacy, where one is at liberty to seek an end to abortion that comports with the Constitution and its case law.

Consequently, those who support a woman's right to decide whether to have a child or not absent unwarranted interference from the state are not 'pro-death,' it's a ridiculous lie to maintain otherwise.

Those who support capital punishment are likewise not 'pro-death,' as those executed were afforded comprehensive due process, found guilty and sentenced in accordance with the law, consistent with current 8th Amendment jurisprudence.

What happens in either case? Oh yeah. That's right. Somebody dies. It doesn't matter if you think you were just in killing them. It doesn't mean they aren't dead.

 

[OKTexas]

PEDRO DE SAN PATRICIO SAID:

"By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally."

This fails as a false comparison fallacy, one having nothing to do with the other.

It's perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion and support a woman's right to privacy, where one is at liberty to seek an end to abortion that comports with the Constitution and its case law.

Consequently, those who support a woman's right to decide whether to have a child or not absent unwarranted interference from the state are not 'pro-death,' it's a ridiculous lie to maintain otherwise.

Those who support capital punishment are likewise not 'pro-death,' as those executed were afforded comprehensive due process, found guilty and sentenced in accordance with the law, consistent with current 8th Amendment jurisprudence.

What happens in either case? Oh yeah. That's right. Somebody dies. It doesn't matter if you think you were just in killing them. It doesn't mean they aren't dead.

In one case the dead have no choice, in the other the person choses to commit a capital crime. The one who choses to commit a capital crime is the one making a conscious decision to forfeit their life if caught and convicted.

 

[NYcarbineer]

By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally. What arrogance it is to set other people below you to such an extent that you decide who lives and who dies; that you decide when and if their lives have value. I understand that many people find my values of protecting the powerless and preventing oppression to be barbaric and inhumane, but this is just beyond the pale.

Explain this to me. How should I not see you as a threat to my life? If you think you judge who's a real person then how do I know you won't try to deprive me of personhood? If you think you can kill whomever you like then what guarantee do I have that you will make no attempt on my life? If I can't trust you not to murder your own children, then why the fuck should I let you come anywhere close to mine?

You're stupid. Brains will set you free, although I must confess I don't know where or how you could get some.

 

[Avatar4321]

By which I mean the abortion supporters and the capital punishment supporters equally. What arrogance it is to set other people below you to such an extent that you decide who lives and who dies; that you decide when and if their lives have value. I understand that many people find my values of protecting the powerless and preventing oppression to be barbaric and inhumane, but this is just beyond the pale.

Explain this to me. How should I not see you as a threat to my life? If you think you judge who's a real person then how do I know you won't try to deprive me of personhood? If you think you can kill whomever you like then what guarantee do I have that you will make no attempt on my life? If I can't trust you not to murder your own children, then why the fuck should I let you come anywhere close to mine?

You're stupid. Brains will set you free, although I must confess I don't know where or how you could get some.

Well why would you? You'd get yourself some first.