I had a better way than George Bush

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
LISTEN, this is the TRUTH.....seriously! Since shortly after the Gulf War I Iraq has NOT had, or even been CLOSE to having WMD! Get a grip.

Are you telling me that all those democrats lied? And that Bill Clinton lied and bombed Iraq just to further his political agenda?

 

[Zhukov]

First of all, I said former Soviet territory, not Russia. That includes such countries as Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, et cetera, several of which already have Qaeda cells.

http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/nov/22ny8.htm

And before you say it, if you believe that Vladimier Putin would not have accepted US help in this, to achieve a shared goal, then you do not understand the new Ruaain way or policy toward our country.

I think I understand Russia's foreign policy.

There are Qaeda cells operating in Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. There are Qaeda cells in Pakistan, no matter how much of an ally Musharraf has been.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0325/p04s01-wosc.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-schanzer060403.asp

http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/ar/Qiraq-us-qaeda-syria.RkiW_DN2.html

With respect to the WMD's, as I referred to it, read Dr. Kay's testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KAY401A.html

What a laugh. What is NOT a laugh, however, is my fear that Bush is going to pull out WMD's out of his magic hat sometime durning this election. Remember that big $32B package for Iraq that was passed? $100 million of that was set aside for the search for wepons of mass destruction. That is enough money to MANUFACTURE the evidence your looking for if one wanted to do so. And after the 2000 election, I KNOW that George Bush is the type of guy to do something like that. Not saying that is definately going to happen...but if it does...I told you so!

Good to see you're into conspiracy theories.

I KNOW my plan would have worked.

I'm sure you do.

Go after Afganistan and all other places Al-Queda operates and attack them sparadically through-out the world.

So, you feel it would be better to sporadically bomb, or insert special forces into, 60 or 70 different countries, as opposed to invade one and let thousands of the enemy come to you?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think the current strategy is working fine.

I'm not sure who the last part was addressed to, so I won't respond to it.

In the future, please try put some spaces between the ideas in a post. It's difficult to read otherwise, in one big text block like that.

 

[jeffperkinstech]

Zhukov - First, your right about all those nations having Al-Queda cells (including Pakistan yes, but if you are implying that they are SUPPORTING terror then you are convienently ignoring the slew of news reports of fighting between those cells and a amed coallition of Pakistanian and US troops. THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE STOP LYING! [which, by the way, I can see why the quote you post from Lenin is your mantra])

Secondly, by pointing out all these countries with known terror cells you are proving my point that Bush failed to keep his promise about 'attacking terrorist cells where ever they may lie'. A point I made in my original post I believe.

Third, I do not see where Al-Queda or other Anti-American groups are comming into Iraq as a fighting horde. In fact, in case you missed it, there was a story about Arab fighters, comming into Iraq from the surrounding countries, being captured by thier Iraqi hosts and given up to the incomming US military occupants. I'm sure they are all lining up to fight Americans in Iraq now.

And yes, point taken, I will do better at separating my posts.

Sir Evil - I really do not care what designate you lable me with. With an avitar so reflective of it's owner, such as yours, it calls me to remind you about people in glass houses.

And my 'inside source' for my claim that Iraqi internal documents state clearly that there are no WMD and that they have been duping him for cash? CNBC. It was on back in Oct. of '03 I believe. I refuse to pay for your transcript but you can request one if you like.

The one thing you have said that I wholeheartedly agree with you on is that Dems will stick it to ya as well. However, the Dems do so because they are, overall, stupid and slow. Republicans do so, because they are just intelligent enough to believe they can fool everyone all of the time and are greedy, selfish and borderline evil, on the whole. But aside from the specific negative aspects of each party, this two party system is the folly of the American system. It binds political thinking into a two dimensional trap. By having 2 main parties, you take every issue you can think of and polarize it into two equal and opposite extremes and a sliding scale in between connecting the two sides. Instead of 3 dimentional thinking, applied forecasting, and melding of peices of differeing ideals that would enable us to 'pick and choose' the best answers for a more perfect solution, we are chained by the eniquities of the status quo so that the shared powerbase of the Left and the Right can not be torn asunder. Get my drift, hommie?

preemptingme03 - I don't really know where you were going with that post. You quote me on one thing and talk about something else. I did hear about his son-in-law's defection and his claims but I never heard we found anything. I know that most people thought he may have had or was trying to re-build his WMD program but you can't rightly say that UNSCOM thought this way when Hans May came out and publicly denounced finding anything like that at all. And don't lower yourself to bring out the charicter assasination's of Hans May...I've heard them all and studied further and...it's as pathetic of an attempt as it has been with the charicter assasinations upon Richard Clarke.

Secondly, as it referred to the part of my post that you quoted, I hope you are not saying that the last 9 years of history will negate the hundreds of years of history that came before it. Find some history sites and look into this territory of Babylon (I know I misspelled that) and you will see what I mean. Laurence of Arabia couldn't even give these people a peaceful governing body!

Moreover for those that I read on the GOP side of things. I have always comforted myself with the thought that the common man that backs the GOP, does so only because they really believe that these are really men of the people, that have common values and goals that the rest of us share because they believe what thier commercials say about them and can't really discearn what thier true intentions are by thier actions. But when I see the duplicity and hypocracy of the GOP leadership being matched, step by step, by thier commoner followers...it makes me think twice about the presumed innocence of the entire flock. Before you rebutt this posting ask yourself if what you are saying contains any illogical falisies or emotionally laden rhetoric. Those are often the ear marks of a dishonest, destructive and negative campaign.

 

[Zhukov]

THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE STOP LYING! [which, by the way, I can see why the quote you post from Lenin is your mantra])

Old.

Point to where I lied.

You assumed I implied something, and then called me a liar for it.

Based on that form of debate allow me to assume you won't be voting to re-elect President Bush.

Secondly, by pointing out all these countries with known terror cells you are proving my point that Bush failed to keep his promise about 'attacking terrorist cells where ever they may lie'. A point I made in my original post I believe.

The point you tried to make was that simultaneously putting pressure on 60 or 70 odd countries, if possible, would cause all the terrorists to flee into Iraq.

My point is that attacking Iraq made terrorists come to Iraq.

I do not see where Al-Queda or other Anti-American groups are comming into Iraq as a fighting horde.

Both sides admit foreign fighters are flooding into Iraq to confront us and destabilize the provisional government. Perhaps half the combantants we face are foreigners. The vast majority of Iraqis reject terrorism.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3442413.stm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0811/p01s01-woiq.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/10/sprj.irq.border.watch/

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1413564,00.html

 

[preemptingyou03]

Osama wants to do to the Americans in Iraq what he couldn't do to us in Afghanistan. He wants to do to us what he did to the Soviets in Afghanistan two decades ago.

It isn't working.

 

[jeffperkinstech]

Oh gee thanks! I can't wait to tell my mom!

 

[jeffperkinstech]

Oh I know and I was just messin' with you back. (Don't worry, my mom wouldn't have done anything!):clap1:

 

[jeffperkinstech]

Made you look!