Comrade said:
Any site with truth in the URL is always some lefty whacko.
I can think of a right-wing group with "truth" in their group name right now - and yes they are a bunch of wacko's. Liar's too it seems!
Comrade said:
I love this shit. Long story short is this guy walks into the bar and there is our guy, this CIA agent Gottlieb behind the CIA-Saddam connection, and he just ******* doses this guy (because all CIA agents overseas carry around LSD, I guess) and the poor subject goes into a two week long trip and finally is rescued by his family in the streets.
Yet nobody trips longer than 16-24 hours. You can actually bathe in a vat of pure LSD and after an intense daylong trip you will emerge sane and in touch with reality. Talk to some chemist if you want, or look it up on the net, but dont actually try this at home, my friends!
Chomsky is always making up things like a two week trip on acid. Its an urban legend.
Umm... not quite.
Pure LSD has a psycho-active period ranging from about 6 hours to about 20 hours in 90% of the population. This is largely dose dependant, with minimal effects and duration starting with about a 30-50 micron dose, and maximal effects and duration occuring with a 300-500 micron dose. Increasing the dosage beyond about 500 microns has little or no effect on most people, but it can extend the trip to as much as 72 hours in some individuals (very rare).
However, there are things that can be done to buffer LSD and make for longer trips, but trip intensity tends to be greatly reduced after the first ~16 hours. Other psycho active chemicals, such as psilocyben, can be buffered effectively to sustain trips lasting several days.
But... it should be noted that use of any of the serious hallucinagens can cause a person with previously undiagnosed mental disease to suffer an immeadate and possibly perminent episode. This is especially true with schizophrenia, which often does not manifest until the late 20's or early 30's, and is suprisingly common (statistically significant) amoung artists - especially painters. A person with mental disease might appear to sustain a trip lasting many days, weeks, or even permanent. One of the main effects of LSD is to cause the same symptoms as schizophrenia, namely hallucinations, mostly of an auditory nature, often sounding like "voices". These drugs can also have profound, possibly life altering effect, on people who are free of mental disease.
Also, it should be noted that LSD is often "enhanced" with substances such as strychnine (very common with street LSD), which greatly intensifies the visual experiance. Grinding of teeth is a tip off that the LSD has strychnine in it. It is quite possible that CIA experiments utilized this or other enhancers, which can easily cause perminent damage, especially if included in normal proportions to the LSD, but then having huge does of the mixture given to the subject.
And finally, a person not knowing that they have been given this drug can be in serious trouble. They will think they have gone crazy, are at risk for suicide (likely) or violence (unlikely but possible), and afterwards may question their grip on reality. The CIA and Army tests bear this out, as they generally did not apprise the subject of what was going to happen, and negative results seem to have been common in their "research".
BTW: The "flashback" is a myth. Thousands of college students, pre-screened for mental diseases, were given LSD in the late 60's and early 70's, and not one flashback was reported in over 15 years that they'd been followed up to the time of my studies.
My source - A year of psychopharmachology under two of the formost experts in the field, Dr. George F. Koob and Prof. J. Anthony Deutsch. Koob was involved in legal human LSD research using college studen volunteers (and before you comment - no, this was almost a decade before my studies).
Asside: It was quite fascinating in the lab to watch the mice and rats with an IV going to their heart and a lever that would deliver a measured dose of cocain solution. Most mice/rats would push the lever periodically then sit back and enjoy the dose, and after a few hours, would stop pushing the lever. However, about 15% of the rats would press the lever constantly until their heart exploded. In another experiment, where redosing was delayed about 5 seconds using a lighter dose and food was placed across the cage, the addictive rats would not leave the lever long enough to eat, and starved themselves to death, where the normal rats would take a break and go eat. Koobs inter-bred selected mice/rats to produce "highly addictable" mice and rats now used in addiction research.
It turns out that the same is largely true for humans - about 10-20% are highly addictive types, and will quickly become physically addicted to a variety of drugs if they try them (crack cocain evidently effects quick addiction in a higher %). Almost everyone else will not become (physically) addicted without significant long term abuse.
Wade.
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