I am not into the truther movement but I have a question

[LA RAM FAN]

I see mammoth is in denial about the facts that never in the history of mankind has a building collapsed due to fire.someone obviously slept through junior high school science classes.If he did not,he would know that buildings dont collapse at freefall speed due to fires and the governments version of events ignores the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thousands of years.


I expect Dawgshit to do that,he is just a sad troll seeking attention.but come on Mammoth,stop ignoring reality.

You going to keep doing the ignorant thing ignoring what architects,scientists and egineers say but instead listen to our corrupt government institutions and the corporate media which is nothing but a tool for the government instead even though they have a long history of corruption and being in bed together?

oh something else you and nobody else has ever been able to get around and they always ignore is the collapse of bld 7,the smoking gun of 9/11.That bld was not hit by debris and there were next door neighbors of the towers right next to it and other buildings that had FAR MOR EXTENSIVE fires and FAR MORE EXTENSIVE damage done to them but all those buildings remained standing. only trolls like Dawgshit ignore that fact all the time.they cant get around it,neither can you.

You got to be one wacky coincidence theorist to believe the governments theory because that is one incredible coincidence only a fool would swallow that the only three buildings that collapsed that day were all owned by Larry Silverstein.None of the others collapse since they were not owned by him.

Troll agent Dawgshit knows it was an inside job so its a waste of time with him,he lies to try and save face in his posts.are you going to be a troll as well and ignore all this instead of being mature and admitting your wrong? from the past history of net people,I have an idea that answer is yes.

 

[Montrovant]

I see mammoth is in denial about the facts that never in the history of mankind has a building collapsed due to fire.someone obviously slept through junior high school science classes.If he did not,he would know that buildings dont collapse at freefall speed due to fires and the governments version of events ignores the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thousands of years.


I expect Dawgshit to do that,he is just a sad troll seeking attention.but come on Mammoth,stop ignoring reality.

You going to keep doing the ignorant thing ignoring what architects,scientists and egineers say but instead listen to our corrupt government institutions and the corporate media which is nothing but a tool for the government instead even though they have a long history of corruption and being in bed together?

oh something else you and nobody else has ever been able to get around and they always ignore is the collapse of bld 7,the smoking gun of 9/11.That bld was not hit by debris and there were next door neighbors of the towers right next to it and other buildings that had FAR MOR EXTENSIVE fires and FAR MORE EXTENSIVE damage done to them but all those buildings remained standing. only trolls like Dawgshit ignore that fact all the time.they cant get around it,neither can you.

You got to be one wacky coincidence theorist to believe the governments theory because that is one incredible coincidence only a fool would swallow that the only three buildings that collapsed that day were all owned by Larry Silverstein.None of the others collapse since they were not owned by him.

Troll agent Dawgshit knows it was an inside job so its a waste of time with him,he lies to try and save face in his posts.are you going to be a troll as well and ignore all this instead of being mature and admitting your wrong? from the past history of net people,I have an idea that answer is yes.

You might want to edit that first line, I don't think that's what you meant to say.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I see mammoth is in denial about the facts that never in the history of mankind has a building collapsed due to fire.someone obviously slept through junior high school science classes.If he did not,he would know that buildings dont collapse at freefall speed due to fires and the governments version of events ignores the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thousands of years.


I expect Dawgshit to do that,he is just a sad troll seeking attention.but come on Mammoth,stop ignoring reality.

You going to keep doing the ignorant thing ignoring what architects,scientists and egineers say but instead listen to our corrupt government institutions and the corporate media which is nothing but a tool for the government instead even though they have a long history of corruption and being in bed together?

oh something else you and nobody else has ever been able to get around and they always ignore is the collapse of bld 7,the smoking gun of 9/11.That bld was not hit by debris and there were next door neighbors of the towers right next to it and other buildings that had FAR MOR EXTENSIVE fires and FAR MORE EXTENSIVE damage done to them but all those buildings remained standing. only trolls like Dawgshit ignore that fact all the time.they cant get around it,neither can you.

You got to be one wacky coincidence theorist to believe the governments theory because that is one incredible coincidence only a fool would swallow that the only three buildings that collapsed that day were all owned by Larry Silverstein.None of the others collapse since they were not owned by him.

Troll agent Dawgshit knows it was an inside job so its a waste of time with him,he lies to try and save face in his posts.are you going to be a troll as well and ignore all this instead of being mature and admitting your wrong? from the past history of net people,I have an idea that answer is yes.

You might want to edit that first line, I don't think that's what you meant to say.

well the only thing i got wrong I see is that his name is spelled with just one m instead of two.

 

[Montrovant]

I see mammoth is in denial about the facts that never in the history of mankind has a building collapsed due to fire.someone obviously slept through junior high school science classes.If he did not,he would know that buildings dont collapse at freefall speed due to fires and the governments version of events ignores the laws of physics that scientists have gone by for thousands of years.


I expect Dawgshit to do that,he is just a sad troll seeking attention.but come on Mammoth,stop ignoring reality.

You going to keep doing the ignorant thing ignoring what architects,scientists and egineers say but instead listen to our corrupt government institutions and the corporate media which is nothing but a tool for the government instead even though they have a long history of corruption and being in bed together?

oh something else you and nobody else has ever been able to get around and they always ignore is the collapse of bld 7,the smoking gun of 9/11.That bld was not hit by debris and there were next door neighbors of the towers right next to it and other buildings that had FAR MOR EXTENSIVE fires and FAR MORE EXTENSIVE damage done to them but all those buildings remained standing. only trolls like Dawgshit ignore that fact all the time.they cant get around it,neither can you.

You got to be one wacky coincidence theorist to believe the governments theory because that is one incredible coincidence only a fool would swallow that the only three buildings that collapsed that day were all owned by Larry Silverstein.None of the others collapse since they were not owned by him.

Troll agent Dawgshit knows it was an inside job so its a waste of time with him,he lies to try and save face in his posts.are you going to be a troll as well and ignore all this instead of being mature and admitting your wrong? from the past history of net people,I have an idea that answer is yes.

You might want to edit that first line, I don't think that's what you meant to say.

well the only thing i got wrong I see is that his name is spelled with just one m instead of two.

So you really mean to say that never, in the history of all mankind, has a single building collapsed due to fire?

Or did you mean collapsed at free-fall speed?

 

[daws101]

To what? This?
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really? so you're not gonna credit whomever you plagerized?


but still it's just I know you are but what am I bullshit.
BTW I don't need to try reality is self explanatory...unlike your delusion that swims in denial of fact and inflating bullshit or just making shit up as in this statement :"The evidence I present resoundingly refutes the sources of your beliefs, it has been presented, linked and can be verified"- sister jones..

lol.....since your "evidence" is made up of rumor, argument by anomaly,pseudoscience, willful ignorance, lies, false premises, zero quantifiable proof cognitive bias, fear stupidity.
the only link it has is to sites that spew the same shit you do.
there is no EVIDENTIARY linkage to other real and supposed conspiracies.
it refutes nothing.
the only thing verifiable about is that it is not credible and has been proven to by erroneous.
it presentation is on par with two 6 year olds playing with daddy's handi cam.

Once again you describe the OCT and all the descriptions required to believe in it. Why don't you provide a source that backs up how you arrived at your decision to be so fucking ignorant? You never do therefore all you have is your opinion which your posting history shows isn't worth a shit.

I have provided many sources many times there is no rational reason to rehash them again....
I could ask to provide your sources but that is unnecessary as they have been proven to be bullshit...

 

[eots]

You might want to edit that first line, I don't think that's what you meant to say.

well the only thing i got wrong I see is that his name is spelled with just one m instead of two.

So you really mean to say that never, in the history of all mankind, has a single building collapsed due to fire?

Or did you mean collapsed at free-fall speed?

It is in the final NIST REPORT...wtc 7 is the first and only steel framed highrise to collapse due to fire

 

[eots]

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) announced today following an extensive, three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation. This was the first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building, the agency stated as it released for public comment its WTC investigation report

NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse

 

[Montrovant]

well the only thing i got wrong I see is that his name is spelled with just one m instead of two.

So you really mean to say that never, in the history of all mankind, has a single building collapsed due to fire?

Or did you mean collapsed at free-fall speed?

It is in the final NIST REPORT...wtc 7 is the first and only steel framed highrise to collapse due to fire

And if he had written that, I wouldn't have commented....

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ySUrEiVFIM&feature=g-vrec]9/11 Theories: Expert vs. Expert - YouTube[/ame]

 

[daws101]

9/11 Theories: Expert vs. Expert - YouTube

once again eots post an amateurish completely bias piece of shit!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Still doing the circle jerk?

why do you ask...are you cursing for a circle jerk ?...try the YMCA

No. I just find it comical that you guys bother run each other in circles over something that doesn't even matter anymore.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I was watching this video from the BBC talking about building 7 collapsing but when they were talking about it they showed it still standing even though they said it has collapsed. How can that be?

If This Does Not Get Thru To You; Nothing Will!!! - YouTube

Was she reporting from europe in front of one of those "background" televisions like they have on most news programs? Maybe it was just running other footage and not live footage in the window?

Just my first thoughts.

 

[daws101]

To what? This?
Wood Stoves Sale - Home & Garden - Compare Prices, Reviews and Buy at Nextag - Price - Review

really? so you're not gonna credit whomever you plagerized?


but still it's just I know you are but what am I bullshit.
BTW I don't need to try reality is self explanatory...unlike your delusion that swims in denial of fact and inflating bullshit or just making shit up as in this statement :"The evidence I present resoundingly refutes the sources of your beliefs, it has been presented, linked and can be verified"- sister jones..

lol.....since your "evidence" is made up of rumor, argument by anomaly,pseudoscience, willful ignorance, lies, false premises, zero quantifiable proof cognitive bias, fear stupidity.
the only link it has is to sites that spew the same shit you do.
there is no EVIDENTIARY linkage to other real and supposed conspiracies.
it refutes nothing.
the only thing verifiable about is that it is not credible and has been proven to by erroneous.
it presentation is on par with two 6 year olds playing with daddy's handi cam.

Once again you describe the OCT and all the descriptions required to believe in it. Why don't you provide a source that backs up how you arrived at your decision to be so fucking ignorant? You never do therefore all you have is your opinion which your posting history shows isn't worth a shit.

here's the long a waited list of my sources that prove the government did it conspiracy is complete shit.


911 Truth Statement - 911truth.org


Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

pilotsfor911truth.org/

David Ray Griffin


9/11 - Hard Facts, Hard Truth | Too Grand a Conspiracy?

911Grassroots


Steven e Jones

Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

pl911truth.com


Richard Gage


patriotsquestion911.com

Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas

David Chandler


Rosie O’Donnell, Charlie Sheen, and Ed Asner, Alex Jones


Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


just to name a few ...

so sister jones you now have my sources ..... if you are a man of your word refute them.

 

[daws101]

I was watching this video from the BBC talking about building 7 collapsing but when they were talking about it they showed it still standing even though they said it has collapsed. How can that be?

If This Does Not Get Thru To You; Nothing Will!!! - YouTube

Was she reporting from europe in front of one of those "background" televisions like they have on most news programs? Maybe it was just running other footage and not live footage in the window?

Just my first thoughts.

as anyone not looking for boogie men under every bed will will tell you.. first reports from any source are almost all ways wrong ...wtc7 is no exception.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

When you want to belive it, it's true. When you don't they a e wrong.

"Every news organization has only its credibility and reputation to rely on."

 

[daws101]

When you want to belive it, it's true. When you don't they a e wrong.

"Every news organization has only its credibility and reputation to rely on."

How did I know you say that.... besides why do you bother with some thing that doesn't mean anything anymore?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I was watching this video from the BBC talking about building 7 collapsing but when they were talking about it they showed it still standing even though they said it has collapsed. How can that be?

If This Does Not Get Thru To You; Nothing Will!!! - YouTube

Was she reporting from europe in front of one of those "background" televisions like they have on most news programs? Maybe it was just running other footage and not live footage in the window?

Just my first thoughts.

as anyone not looking for boogie men under every bed will will tell you.. first reports from any source are almost all ways wrong ...wtc7 is no exception.

makes sense.

 

[daws101]

Was she reporting from europe in front of one of those "background" televisions like they have on most news programs? Maybe it was just running other footage and not live footage in the window?

Just my first thoughts.

as anyone not looking for boogie men under every bed will will tell you.. first reports from any source are almost all ways wrong ...wtc7 is no exception.

makes sense.

check this out: Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

it explains the wtc7 report screw up in detail ..

 

[eots]

as anyone not looking for boogie men under every bed will will tell you.. first reports from any source are almost all ways wrong ...wtc7 is no exception.

makes sense.

check this out: Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

it explains the wtc7 report screw up in detail ..

from your bogus site


Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed."
- Chief Cruthers


This proves there was a big hole on the south side of the building. From the photographic evidence and these quotes which aren't meant to be technical, I suspect there was a large hole in the center of the building which may have gone up 10 stories connected to a large rip on the left side of the building which continued up another 10 or more stories. Together they would make "a hole 20 stories tall".

From the NIST report

the progressive collapse—would still have led to a complete loss of the building if fire or damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column’s failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events.

Investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.

clearly your site is junk and in direct contradiction with the NIST report...and btw ..you are a moron

 

[daws101]

makes sense.

check this out: Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

it explains the wtc7 report screw up in detail ..

from your bogus site


Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed."
- Chief Cruthers


This proves there was a big hole on the south side of the building. From the photographic evidence and these quotes which aren't meant to be technical, I suspect there was a large hole in the center of the building which may have gone up 10 stories connected to a large rip on the left side of the building which continued up another 10 or more stories. Together they would make "a hole 20 stories tall".

From the NIST report

the progressive collapse—would still have led to a complete loss of the building if fire or damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column’s failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events.

Investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.

clearly your site is junk and in direct contradiction with the NIST report...and btw ..you are a moron

once again wrong ....it was before the final nist report was published...

but then again....But the building doesn't look like it fell over, it fell "in its own foot print" you might say. That's because it is impossible for a 47 story steel building to fall over like that. It's not a small steel reinforced concrete building like the ones shown as *Examples* of buildings which fell over. Building 7 is more like the towers, made up of many pieces put together. It's not so much a solid block as those steel reinforced concrete buildings.

This evidence supports the NIST contention that the building collapse progressed from the penthouse out as columns were weakened by the fires. The slow sinking of the penthouses, indicating the internal collapse of the building behind the visible north wall, took 8.2 seconds according to a NIST preliminary report. Seismograph trace of the collapse of WTC 7 indicates that parts of the building were hitting the ground for 18 seconds. This means the collapse took at least 18 seconds, of which only the last approximately 15 seconds are visible in videos: 8 seconds for the penthouses and 7 seconds for the north wall to come down.



why does eots use the nist report as proof ....when he's spews the most shit about it being false?