I am happy and relaxed this morning, perhaps for the first time for eight years...

[buckeye45_73]

He traded 5 gitmo terrorists for Bergdahl. Five! For a traitor!

yeah, it's just sad........if they left doesn't get it, they just wont get it.

They don't care. They want this country destroyed.

Yes that's what we want. Idiot

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

 

[sealybobo]

yeah, it's just sad........if they left doesn't get it, they just wont get it.

They don't care. They want this country destroyed.

Yes that's what we want. Idiot

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

 

[buckeye45_73]

They don't care. They want this country destroyed.

Yes that's what we want. Idiot

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

 

[sealybobo]

Yes that's what we want. Idiot

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

You have medicare? Are you retired?

 

[sealybobo]

Yes that's what we want. Idiot

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

Of course your employer provided healthcare is better. What about when you want to retire?

 

[sealybobo]

Yes that's what we want. Idiot

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

I wonder why I don't believe you

On August 4, 2004, New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer filed a lawsuit against Express Scripts alleging that the company had kept tens of millions of dollars in drug rebates owed to the state. The suit was filed in the New York Supreme Court in Albany County.[59] The lawsuit further claimed that Express Scripts had overstated the cost benefits of switching to certain preferred medications. In 2008 the company settled the lawsuit, agreeing to pay $9.3 million to Pennsylvania and 28 other states to resolve claims of deceptive business practices. As part of the settlement, the company also agreed to change its business practices and pay up to $200,000 in reimbursement to patients

 

[buckeye45_73]

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

Of course your employer provided healthcare is better. What about when you want to retire?

I'm not even close to that, but that's my point, private insurance is better, we should have a system like that for retirees........get the govt out, they drive up costs and decision making is not based on health but usually financial needs.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Well you do, you just don't think you do......socialism does that....you like it, it will destroy the country, so you kinda do.

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

I wonder why I don't believe you

On August 4, 2004, New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer filed a lawsuit against Express Scripts alleging that the company had kept tens of millions of dollars in drug rebates owed to the state. The suit was filed in the New York Supreme Court in Albany County.[59] The lawsuit further claimed that Express Scripts had overstated the cost benefits of switching to certain preferred medications. In 2008 the company settled the lawsuit, agreeing to pay $9.3 million to Pennsylvania and 28 other states to resolve claims of deceptive business practices. As part of the settlement, the company also agreed to change its business practices and pay up to $200,000 in reimbursement to patients

No it's true, Accredo wasn't bought by Express Scripts until 2012. My place had nothing to do with that issue. Just work in that field for a week, you'll see it......medicare is ridiculous. Anyone in the medical field can tell you. People like them because it's guaranteed money, but such a huge pain in the ass.......

 

[sealybobo]

Things that are socialized:

THE ARMED FORCES: The United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are sworn to defend their nation and protect every citizen without sending an itemized bill to anybody.

THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM: Our extensive system of interstate highways are free for anyone to drive anywhere they like, even New Jersey.

FEDERAL WATERWAYS: Any craft from a canoe to an ocean liner can sail to their hearts’ content on the rivers, streams and lakes of America for no charge.

THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: If somebody kidnaps you or commits some other federal crime against you, The F.B.I. will spare no expense to hunt down the perpetrators, for years if they have to, at no charge to you.

BUREAU OF PRISONS: Once the F.B.I. locks up the bad guys they get to stay in Federal prison for the duration of their sentences on the government’s dime. The Feds also feed and clothe the criminals and provide them with health care, education, libraries, religious services, recreation, visitors’ facilities and legal counseling. For free.

Census Bureau: They count our heinies every 10 years for free.

CONGRESS: Our elected officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate charge us nothing beyond their salaries for looking after our interests (and their own).

THE PRESIDENCY: Again, no matter how good or how lousy are our presidents, they have to make do with their salary, the While House and Air Force One and can’t send us a monthly bill for their services.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, AGRICULTURE, STATE, EDUCATION, INTERIOR, NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, COMMERCE, ENERGY, TREASURY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY , JUSTICE, ENERGY, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: All of these federal departments provide their services to American citizens for free, whether or not we know what the hell they all do.

BUREAU OF ENGRAVING: They run the U.S. Mint, printing our paper money and minting our coins. There is no surcharge. A $5 bill costs $5 and they don’t get to charge 26¢ for those fancy State Quarters.

GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION: This agency does everything all the other ones don’t, just in case the government missed anything. Anybody recall ever getting an invoice for services rendered from these people?

THE SURGEON GENERAL: Neither a surgeon nor a general, The Surgeon General of The United States harangues us about our nasty habits just for the fun of it, sort of a Civic Inquisitor with no power. Good thing, too, they’ve got some pretty peculiar ideas. Truth be told, however, the government usually picks someone who’s very damned amusing, so it’s all in good fun. No harm done, really.

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: Built and maintained by our taxes, available to all.

THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS: The world’s largest library, it is open to anyone wishing to do research or just read rare books and manuscripts. The price? Nothing twice!

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION: Of course we pay into it though payroll deduction contributions, but unlike private investment firms, there is no charge for managing the largest and most successful social insurance investment in history and there is a guaranteed return for contributors and cost-of-living adjustments. The second largest and equally successful social program? Medicare. Our retirees are very well looked after.

That’s quite a list of social benefits available to Americans, and by no means anywhere near a completeone. Wouldn’t it be great if we had free medical care so we could all live long and healthy lives in order to better enjoy these things? The taxes we pay have created all these wonderful departments and agencies. If we spend 10% less on just one of them, The Department of Defense, we could all have comprehensive health care. There is no reason why our tax dollars need to continue spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined (you could look it up at the Library of Congress) while 50 million Americans have no medical coverage at all. Either that, or eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and farm out their functions to other agencies. Whether or not they charge for doing whatever it is they do, that combination just seems like an ugly incident waiting to happen. Hardly seems worth it, even for free. Better we should look after our nation’s health.

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

Of course your employer provided healthcare is better. What about when you want to retire?

I'm not even close to that, but that's my point, private insurance is better, we should have a system like that for retirees........get the govt out, they drive up costs and decision making is not based on health but usually financial needs.

Insurance companies don’t want to insure sick old people. You’re never getting sick or old?

 

[dcbl]

Now, I think things will get better...

Looks like you have a second calling as a prophet

 

[buckeye45_73]

I don't disagree with any of that....except those are really socialized....those are actual functions of the govt.

Again I'm not an anarchist, I do think the government has a function, but it should be limited in scope to the things it does well and should be
The only ones I have a bone are the Park Service...which I like, I just don't like the land grabs in the name of parks (but not really for parks) they do.
and Social Security, I want a private option........you can keep the govt one.

But not healthcare.....not a function of the govt and not something they do well.

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

Of course your employer provided healthcare is better. What about when you want to retire?

I'm not even close to that, but that's my point, private insurance is better, we should have a system like that for retirees........get the govt out, they drive up costs and decision making is not based on health but usually financial needs.

Insurance companies don’t want to insure sick old people. You’re never getting sick or old?

Actually that's true...it costs more....but ironically all those insurance companies you guys hate and talk about how they don't care......are FOR medicare........it's ironic don't you think. Big Business loves big government...the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll know how the system works.

I think there could be a move to private insurance with some sort of hybrid means. the more we get away from govt, the better off we'll be.

 

[sealybobo]

You think we can do better than Medicare?

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

Of course your employer provided healthcare is better. What about when you want to retire?

I'm not even close to that, but that's my point, private insurance is better, we should have a system like that for retirees........get the govt out, they drive up costs and decision making is not based on health but usually financial needs.

Insurance companies don’t want to insure sick old people. You’re never getting sick or old?

Actually that's true...it costs more....but ironically all those insurance companies you guys hate and talk about how they don't care......are FOR medicare........it's ironic don't you think. Big Business loves big government...the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll know how the system works.

I think there could be a move to private insurance with some sort of hybrid means. the more we get away from govt, the better off we'll be.

But every other country likes their socialized medicine. Even conservative brits and germans and Australians and Canadians like their healthcare systems. They get it.

And most Americans like Medicare. At least it was good for my grandmother. Has it been ruined yet? I’m sure in the next 2-6 years major cuts will be made and you’ll never be able to afford to retire.

Or don’t get sick.

 

[buckeye45_73]

yes, we already do, our private insurance is waaaaaaaay better than Medicare......I used to work for Accredo (now Express Scrips) and medicare was horrible.
It paid less, require more paperwork, it was awful.

Pre ACA my insurance was so much better.......

Of course your employer provided healthcare is better. What about when you want to retire?

I'm not even close to that, but that's my point, private insurance is better, we should have a system like that for retirees........get the govt out, they drive up costs and decision making is not based on health but usually financial needs.

Insurance companies don’t want to insure sick old people. You’re never getting sick or old?

Actually that's true...it costs more....but ironically all those insurance companies you guys hate and talk about how they don't care......are FOR medicare........it's ironic don't you think. Big Business loves big government...the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll know how the system works.

I think there could be a move to private insurance with some sort of hybrid means. the more we get away from govt, the better off we'll be.

But every other country likes their socialized medicine. Even conservative brits and germans and Australians and Canadians like their healthcare systems. They get it.

And most Americans like Medicare. At least it was good for my grandmother. Has it been ruined yet? I’m sure in the next 2-6 years major cuts will be made and you’ll never be able to afford to retire.

Or don’t get sick.

Or we can not do anything have our country go bankrupt......the govt really needs to do something...cuts or offload it to some private/govt hybrid......it cant go on like this.

As for the Brits and others....they get most of their drugs from us (we do all the R and D, they don't have to pay that cost.....but Trump is trying to fix that)
and for experimental and cutting edge procedures, they come here.....
and they also let kids die, even if another country offers to pay for procedures to try and save them.