*Hush Money, Gone Bad!!!!

[WorldWatcher]

Correct me if I am wrong but spending Campaign Money to hide an affair is an illegal use of campaign fund.

While the statement is true, it doesn't apply to this case.

Campaign funds were not spent, the money was paid to Cohen from the Trump Organization. A business entity, not from a campaign account.

WW

 

[j-mac]

Money paid to Porn Star to keep quite 11 days before an election is a Campaign Contribution.

Then it’s a Federal case. The DoJ, and FEC declined

You can argue what you like and tell the Jury they are too ******* dumb to not see that. See how that goes...

They won’t get the chance based on your beliefs…

The information was kept from the voters by illegal means.. Than means illegally...

NY is not the overseer for the nation.

It is very hard to pay off a porn star that you fucked 11 days before election without breaking the law.

Tell it to congress, maybe they’ll use their slush fund…

Paying for the NDA is effectively a benefit to the Trump Camapign.

Again, Federal.

Again, go in front of the Jury and call them dumb ***** by asking to believe it is not...

Don't be childish

If you want to treat the Jury with that much contempt, go on ahead... They might come back and ask is the Death Penalty an option.

is that what your fantasy is? You’re sick.

Except he signed the cheques to pay Cohen. Here is a ******* picture:

View attachment 933409

That's reimbursement, your arguement is fucked... a

How many checks do you think Trump signs a day, running a global business? Any? Or, are that the responsibility of the accounting dept?

 

[j-mac]

Trump is accused of being in concert with Cohen in this whole sordid mess.

Cohen was convicted and served jail time for his part in it

And is a prolific liar, as described by at least one judge.

 

[j-mac]

Trump is a criminal lowlife & I'll continue to say it.

Remember that the next time your head is up his ass.

Nanny, nanny, boo, boo.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Money paid to Porn Star to keep quite 11 days before an election is a Campaign Contribution.

You can argue what you like and tell the Jury they are too ******* dumb to not see that. See how that goes...


The information was kept from the voters by illegal means.. Than means illegally...
It is very hard to pay off a porn star that you fucked 11 days before election without breaking the law.


Paying for the NDA is effectively a benefit to the Trump Camapign.

Again, go in front of the Jury and call them dumb ***** by asking to believe it is not...

If you want to treat the Jury with that much contempt, go on ahead... They might come back and ask is the Death Penalty an option.

Except he signed the cheques to pay Cohen. Here is a ******* picture:

View attachment 933409
That's reimbursement, your argument is fucked... a

Money paid to Porn Star to keep quite 11 days before an election is a Campaign Contribution.

It isn't.

The information was kept from the voters by illegal means..

Post the law that says that.
And the list of legal means to keep info from voters, and the list of illegal means.

It is very hard to pay off a porn star that you fucked 11 days before election without breaking the law.

Post that law.

Paying for the NDA is effectively a benefit to the Trump Camapign.

Articles in the New York Times showing how awesome Hillary is are
effectively a benefit to the Clinton campaign.

Articles in the New York Times showing how awful Trump is are
effectively a benefit to the Clinton campaign.

Again, go in front of the Jury and call them dumb *****

I'm busy, calling you a dumb ****.

Except he signed the cheques to pay Cohen. Here is a ******* picture:

Trump paid for a contribution to the Trump campaign? That's awful!
How is a self-contribution a violation of campaign finance laws?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Edwards was a screwed up prosecution...

No precedence but nice try...

He used campaign funds to pay off his baby momma.

If that's not illegal, using campaign funds for personal gain.........
Much worse than using personal funds for campaign gain.

 

[CowboyTed]

While the statement is true, it doesn't apply to this case.

Campaign funds were not spent, the money was paid to Cohen from the Trump Organization. A business entity, not from a campaign account.

WW

Agreed, I was just trying to point out that it is very hard to pay off someone while in a campaign.

It is a Catch 22 situation and rightly so...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Correct me if I am wrong but spending Campaign Money to hide an affair is an illegal use of campaign fund.

That is what they tried to get Jon Edwards on (and failed), prosecutors screwed it up later..

John Edwards used funds to hide affair, court hears

Defence team says most of illegal donation went to an aide and that Edwards is a man of 'many sins but no crimes'

www.theguardian.com

Paying off to hide an affair is very tricky to do without breaking the law...

The best way is to hire Stormy in this case as a election consultant and pay an large salary for a no show job.

Correct me if I am wrong but spending Campaign Money to hide an affair is an illegal use of campaign fund.

That is what they tried to get Jon Edwards on (and failed), prosecutors screwed it up later..

It is, exactly.

Paying off to hide an affair is very tricky to do without breaking the law...

Pay her with your own money, perfectly legal. Which he did.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No I'm not. The Bush "Grab'em by the Vagina" tape scandal had just come out. The payment was made 11 days before the election.

What alternative reason other than to support the campaign would there be?

Remember the claim is that the prosecution has evidence showing that there was an attempt to delay the payment until after the election meaning the story could come out then.

So what reasonable explanation do you have that applies before the election but not after?

Or have we just devolved to the personal insults phase?

WW

No I'm not. The Bush "Grab'em by the Vagina" tape scandal had just come out. The payment was made 11 days before the election.

With his own money, not campaign funds. Perfectly legal.

 

[CowboyTed]

Then it’s a Federal case. The DoJ, and FEC declined

It is both State and Federal... State decided to take it up.
Probably because Barr did everything he could to bury it.

They won’t get the chance based on your beliefs…

Trump is entitled to mount any defence he sees possible.. His lawyers can argue it is not a Campaign Contribution 11 days before the election. See will the Jury believe it or just take offence at such a stupid move...
I think you want the Jury to be as stupid as MAGA supporters, they are not..

NY is not the overseer for the nation.

It is not but it is the overseer of NY elections... Study the Constitution on how a President gets elected...

Tell it to congress, maybe they’ll use their slush fund…

Evidence... Anyway you can't use the 'We are not as bad as Hitler' defence...
Law is the Law and that is what the Jury will be deciding... Did Trump break the law.

This is no way a defence to use in court.

Again, Federal.

Read the Constitution.

Don't be childish

is that what your fantasy is? You’re sick.

You want to treat the Jury with contempt and sell them a bunch of lies...
Trying to tell the Jury it too stupid to see what is obvious doesn't work but go on ahead. Try that defence and see how it goes..

How many checks do you think Trump signs a day, running a global business? Any? Or, are that the responsibility of the accounting dept?

Trump signed them... That is all that is needed...
Micheal Cohen statement just puts the checks in frame and how they were discussed...
Again, try that as a defence and see how far you get...

Added to that Cohen was recording conversations and they are in the filing to the court for this case...

This case looks open and shut but Trump is entitled to mount a defence but I wouldn't be using any of yours if I was him...
You are clinging on to anything you can but in court you get one shot, this isn't TV punditry where you throw something out and see if resonates... You have to come with a really feasible.

Trump has admitting paying Stormy for her slience.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-alleged-hush-money-payments-path-criminal-charges-2023-03-30/#:~:text=Trump%2C%20on%20Twitter%2C%20calls%20the,based%20on%20what%20we%20did.%22

He even sued Stormy for breaking the NDA

Donald Trump is being sued by porn star Stormy Daniels

Adult actor said to have been paid $130,000 in exchange for her silence

www.the-independent.com

Trump is the client from Hell... He keeps changing his story and the prosecution is going to have a field day with that.

 

[CowboyTed]

No I'm not. The Bush "Grab'em by the Vagina" tape scandal had just come out. The payment was made 11 days before the election.

With his own money, not campaign funds. Perfectly legal.

First it was his businesses money not his money.

When you make a payment like this during election campaign it is considered a campaign contribution... There is plenty of precedent in law.

You are effectively giving money to your Campaign as donation.
You can try argue in court that it is not but don't expect anyone to believe you... Jury's are just not that gullible.

You are going to try and convince a Jury that paying off a Porn Star about affair 11 days before an election has nothing to do with the election.. Seriously, do you think that sells, might to a hyper partisan MAGA crowd but not in the real world.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First it was his businesses money not his money.

When you make a payment like this during election campaign it is considered a campaign contribution... There is plenty of precedent in law.

You are effectively giving money to your Campaign as donation.
You can try argue in court that it is not but don't expect anyone to believe you... Jury's are just not that gullible.

You are going to try and convince a Jury that paying off a Porn Star about affair 11 days before an election has nothing to do with the election.. Seriously, do you think that sells, might to a hyper partisan MAGA crowd but not in the real world.

First it was his businesses money not his money.

Businesses spend money on NDAs all the time.

When you make a payment like this during election campaign it is considered a campaign contribution...

Where do the campaign laws say that?

You are going to try and convince a Jury that paying off a Porn Star about affair 11 days before an election has nothing to do with the election..

Reasonable doubt.

 

[MagicMike]

It is if the payments were hidden during a presidential campaign in order to benefit that campaign.

Is everything that benefits a campaign a contribution?

In that case the payments become campaign contributions and the law says that campaign contributions of that size have to be disclosed.

Trump made a contribution to his own campaign?

Yes.
An unreported (therefore illegal) one.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Prostitution is illegal.

Sorry bout that,'

1. Depending on what state you reside in.

Regards,
SirJamesifTexas

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes.
An unreported (therefore illegal) one.

Sounds like the FEC should get right on that.

 

[lennypartiv]

It was the cover-up, not the payments. He doctored the books to hide the payments, that's fraud, that's a crime.

They're his books he can do what he wants with them.

 

[j-mac]

It is both State and Federal... State decided to take it up.
Probably because Barr did everything he could to bury it.

Trump is entitled to mount any defence he sees possible.. His lawyers can argue it is not a Campaign Contribution 11 days before the election. See will the Jury believe it or just take offence at such a stupid move...
I think you want the Jury to be as stupid as MAGA supporters, they are not..

It is not but it is the overseer of NY elections... Study the Constitution on how a President gets elected...

Evidence... Anyway you can't use the 'We are not as bad as Hitler' defence...
Law is the Law and that is what the Jury will be deciding... Did Trump break the law.

This is no way a defence to use in court.

Read the Constitution.

You want to treat the Jury with contempt and sell them a bunch of lies...
Trying to tell the Jury it too stupid to see what is obvious doesn't work but go on ahead. Try that defence and see how it goes..

Trump signed them... That is all that is needed...
Micheal Cohen statement just puts the checks in frame and how they were discussed...
Again, try that as a defence and see how far you get...

Added to that Cohen was recording conversations and they are in the filing to the court for this case...

This case looks open and shut but Trump is entitled to mount a defence but I wouldn't be using any of yours if I was him...
You are clinging on to anything you can but in court you get one shot, this isn't TV punditry where you throw something out and see if resonates... You have to come with a really feasible.

Trump has admitting paying Stormy for her slience.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-alleged-hush-money-payments-path-criminal-charges-2023-03-30/#:~:text=Trump%2C%20on%20Twitter%2C%20calls%20the,based%20on%20what%20we%20did.%22

He even sued Stormy for breaking the NDA

Donald Trump is being sued by porn star Stormy Daniels

Adult actor said to have been paid $130,000 in exchange for her silence

www.the-independent.com

Trump is the client from Hell... He keeps changing his story and the prosecution is going to have a field day with that.

Well, we disagree…shocker. I will wait for the jury to render a verdict here, unlike you, who is fantasizing about Trump getting the death penalty for a misdemeanor trumped up to a felony, by a Soros stooge, in a blue city.

A hung jury is the best you can do here in a normal world…

 

[CowboyTed]

First it was his businesses money not his money.

Businesses spend money on NDAs all the time.

In context of business only... You can't **** a porn star and claim the covering up it as a business expense any more than putting hookers as a business expense...

When you make a payment like this during election campaign it is considered a campaign contribution...

Where do the campaign laws say that?

Again argue that in court... Trump will loose that one... You are trying to re-litigate settled law..

You are going to try and convince a Jury that paying off a Porn Star about affair 11 days before an election has nothing to do with the election..

Reasonable doubt.

Again, try and argue that in court... 11 years after ******* her he decides to pay her off 11 days before an election...
How stupid do you think people are...
On top of that you have him on tape saying as much...

Trump’s hush-money trial: prosecutors’ key arguments in criminal case

Starting Monday, Trump becomes the first ex-US president to face a criminal jury, over alleged payments to an adult film star

www.theguardian.com

Jury's don't like lawyers attempts a hoodwinking them, even if it is really bad.

Trump could attempt to say that filing it as a business expense was a clerical mistake and he shouldn't have done that. But this presents a new problem, first he had ample opportunity to present this to the court during discovery and he didn't and second he would be pleading guilty to a very serious campaign law violation.
I pretty sure any Judge would say too late, you had your chance for that defence years ago. OR say ok... Everyone stay where you are, prosecution comes in the next day with new set of charges which the Trump team has just pleaded guilty to in court the previous day.

 

[CowboyTed]

Well, we disagree…shocker. I will wait for the jury to render a verdict here, unlike you, who is fantasizing about Trump getting the death penalty for a misdemeanor trumped up to a felony, by a Soros stooge, in a blue city.

A hung jury is the best you can do here in a normal world…

So you admit you are not even looking for him to found innocent...

Never fantazied about Trump getting the Death Penalty... Where you getting that from... I said if Biden was up on these charges, the MAGA would want the death penalty and considering they accuse him of Treason everyday, are you going to reute that?

You make a few accusations yourself... Who are you calling a 'Soros stooge'? Could you show us evidence... Does this person know George Soros or what?

Yep, New York is a Blue City... Kansas is a Red State... What's your point? These are professionals...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In context of business only... You can't **** a porn star and claim the covering up it as a business expense any more than putting hookers as a business expense...

Again argue that in court... Trump will loose that one... You are trying to re-litigate settled law..

Again, try and argue that in court... 11 years after ******* her he decides to pay her off 11 days before an election...
How stupid do you think people are...
On top of that you have him on tape saying as much...

Trump’s hush-money trial: prosecutors’ key arguments in criminal case

Starting Monday, Trump becomes the first ex-US president to face a criminal jury, over alleged payments to an adult film star

www.theguardian.com

Jury's don't like lawyers attempts a hoodwinking them, even if it is really bad.

Trump could attempt to say that filing it as a business expense was a clerical mistake and he shouldn't have done that. But this presents a new problem, first he had ample opportunity to present this to the court during discovery and he didn't and second he would be pleading guilty to a very serious campaign law violation.
I pretty sure any Judge would say too late, you had your chance for that defence years ago. OR say ok... Everyone stay where you are, prosecution comes in the next day with new set of charges which the Trump team has just pleaded guilty to in court the previous day.

In context of business only... You can't **** a porn star and claim the covering up it as a business expense any more than putting hookers as a business expense...

You may not like it, but apparently, you can.