How would your ideal healthcare system work.

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This thread goes a bit outside the economic topic.
How would your ideal healthcare system work ?
Would it be totally private , public or mixed ?
Would the private insurance be allowed , and if so in what fashion?
How would you encourage competition and avoid government overspending or lack of efficiency( in case it is public or mixed)?
Is there a country you would use as a model ?

Share your thougts.
 

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The ideal system would be one that did not operate on the hope they die be we have to pay model.
 

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One thing is certain cost hove to be controlled and the system affordable. Healthcare is ridiculously expensive because many people have convinced themselves of three things: The answers for good health outcomes rest with pills and procedures rather than good diet and exercise. Death at late stages of life is some strange, recent development in human history which justifies and necessitates extreme, exorbitant payouts to delay it for every possible last second. And last but not least, thinking that mixing all the myriad of "health care" transactions that result from the just mentioned concepts with health insurance as originally conceived to protect a person from unforeseeable, catastrophic events like an accident is a good idea. Just because we can does not mean we should, healthcare is like a tape worm ever ready and always wanting to grow larger. More on why healthcare is so expensive in the article below.

Advancing Time Healthcare Going Forward
 
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I personally like some characteristics of the Japanese model :
a) The patient pays 30% of the cost
b) The government pays 70% of the cost
c) There is universal healthcare insurance
d) Fees are set by a government comitee ( this is actually the only part which leaves me a bit uneasy).
e) Patients can choose physician and facilities.
f) Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians

Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 

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I personally like some characteristics of the Japanese model :
a) The patient pays 30% of the cost
b) The government pays 70% of the cost
c) There is universal healthcare insurance
d) Fees are set by a government comitee ( this is actually the only part which leaves me a bit uneasy).
e) Patients can choose physician and facilities.
f) Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians

Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
too stupid and liberal of course. A capitalist system is best since prices would be reduced by 80% and 5-20 years would be added to our life spans.
 
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I personally like some characteristics of the Japanese model :
a) The patient pays 30% of the cost
b) The government pays 70% of the cost
c) There is universal healthcare insurance
d) Fees are set by a government comitee ( this is actually the only part which leaves me a bit uneasy).
e) Patients can choose physician and facilities.
f) Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians

Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
too stupid and liberal of course. A capitalist system is best since prices would be reduced by 80% and 5-20 years would be added to our life spans.
It's a bright strategy !!
1) Patients pay part of the cost , so they must go shopping.
2) It's universl , so you'll never have to pay the full cost
3) Fees are controlled to avoid prices rising to fast. On the downside this may stagnate competition a bit.
4) Hospitals are non profit , so when you have a terminal disease the phisicians will be honest and not try to squeeze every last penny of the insurrance ( there is no proffit to be made ).
And by the by , Japans cost is alreade 60% lower and their lifespan 12 year higher.
 
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I personally like some characteristics of the Japanese model :
a) The patient pays 30% of the cost
b) The government pays 70% of the cost
c) There is universal healthcare insurance
d) Fees are set by a government comitee ( this is actually the only part which leaves me a bit uneasy).
e) Patients can choose physician and facilities.
f) Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians

Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
too stupid and liberal of course. A capitalist system is best since prices would be reduced by 80% and 5-20 years would be added to our life spans.
I should know better than to ask how that works because what you said is so stupid to begin with. But go ahead. Tell us how that works exactly?
 

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. Tell us how that works exactly?
a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

1) people shop very carefully with their own money

2) providers of healthcare compete on basis of price and quality.

price goes down 80% and life expectancy goes up 5-20 years!!
 
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. Tell us how that works exactly?
a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

1) people shop very carefully with their own money

2) providers of healthcare compete on basis of price and quality.

price goes down 80% and life expectancy goes up 5-20 years!!
When Republicans were in office before Obamacare, medical bills were the number one cause of bankruptcy.

I guess to you that's a stunning success and a perfect example of capitalism.

One more thing. Would you please translate this sentence into English?

a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works
 

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When Republicans were in office before Obamacare, medical bills were the number one cause of bankruptcy.

I guess to you that's a stunning success and a perfect example of capitalism.
Too stupid there were Republicans in office then and now but in neither case was there anything remotely like capitalism which would reduce prices by 80% and Add 5 to 20 years to our life spans.
 

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When Republicans were in office before Obamacare, medical bills were the number one cause of bankruptcy.

I guess to you that's a stunning success and a perfect example of capitalism.
Too stupid there were Republicans in office then and now but in neither case was there anything remotely like capitalism which would reduce prices by 80% and Add 5 to 20 years to our life spans.
The closes thing to pure capitalism was tried during the late 19th century...It probably took a decade off of our lives!!!!

Only a small super rich had it good.
 

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I personally like some characteristics of the Japanese model :
a) The patient pays 30% of the cost
b) The government pays 70% of the cost
c) There is universal healthcare insurance
d) Fees are set by a government comitee ( this is actually the only part which leaves me a bit uneasy).
e) Patients can choose physician and facilities.
f) Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians

Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Sounds like a good system! We should never allow money to control such a important area of society!
 

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. Tell us how that works exactly?
a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

1) people shop very carefully with their own money

2) providers of healthcare compete on basis of price and quality.

price goes down 80% and life expectancy goes up 5-20 years!!
When Republicans were in office before Obamacare, medical bills were the number one cause of bankruptcy.

I guess to you that's a stunning success and a perfect example of capitalism.

One more thing. Would you please translate this sentence into English?

a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

Under a unregulated capitalist system the big dogs will form monopolies and kill competition. This is what happened to standard oil,etc. This is unregulated crap!
 

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. Tell us how that works exactly?
a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

1) people shop very carefully with their own money

2) providers of healthcare compete on basis of price and quality.

price goes down 80% and life expectancy goes up 5-20 years!!
When Republicans were in office before Obamacare, medical bills were the number one cause of bankruptcy.

I guess to you that's a stunning success and a perfect example of capitalism.

One more thing. Would you please translate this sentence into English?

a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

Under a unregulated capitalist system the big dogs will form monopolies and kill competition. This is what happened to standard oil,etc. This is unregulated crap!
dear, who told you those liberal lies? Standard oil had the lowest prices possible so that everyone could buy the oil to drive and the kerosene to see at night. No corporation ever did more for America than Standard Oil. That said even most conservatives are against monopolies so there is no issue there.
 

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. Tell us how that works exactly?
a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

1) people shop very carefully with their own money

2) providers of healthcare compete on basis of price and quality.

price goes down 80% and life expectancy goes up 5-20 years!!
When Republicans were in office before Obamacare, medical bills were the number one cause of bankruptcy.

I guess to you that's a stunning success and a perfect example of capitalism.

One more thing. Would you please translate this sentence into English?

a liberal will be so slow and illiterate as to not how how capitalism works

Under a unregulated capitalist system the big dogs will form monopolies and kill competition. This is what happened to standard oil,etc. This is unregulated crap!
any examples in todays globalized economy? See why we say the liberal will be slow?
 

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any examples in todays globalized economy? See why we say the liberal will be slow?
Mexico's Carlos Slim. Great example of unregulated monopoly . Second richest man in the world comming from a third world country.

Carlos Slim Helu family - Forbes
seems like he single handedly developed Mexico, created millions of jobs, and products.
This is a liberals idea of evil??

See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignornace?
 

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I would set up a network of monopolies around the entire country. Meaning that most Americans would only get one or two options. Then I would use that monopoly to grow health care costs at 5x the rate of inflation. Simultaneously, I would cut costs by decreasing services, and then I would pack my plans with only healthy people. Then I would hire people to contest as many claims as possible. Granted, I would be fucking the patient/consumer, but I would be taking care of owners/investors.

Then, I would take my artificially inflated profits and pour some of it into the Republican Party so as to protect my monopoly at the legislative level.

And then I would pour money into popular media, which would convince the American public that my monopoly was in fact a free market, one that represented the free, uninhibited choices of suppliers and consumers. (I would make sure that the American public never focused on how much money I poured into congress in order to grow and preserve the very monopoly that allowed me to rape consumers)

And if the Democrats ever tried to fuck up my free lunch, I would buy enough of them to ensure that any changes they made to health care benefited myself and my shareholders.

The one thing I would not allow is a single payer system where I was prevented from terminally raising premiums while at the same time decreasing services and shrinking coverage options.

The key, again, is to convince people that the trillions of lobbying dollars I poured into congress did not create an anti-consumer market distortion. The key is to convince people that our terribly broken, non-competitive system that was bankrupting middle class Americans was in fact a free market. And that any attempt to undue my lobby-created advantage over consumers is socialism.

The one thing I can't afford us for the public to find out why I had to purchase a political party in 1994 (to fight HilaryCare), and how much money I have since given to that political party so that they would create the legal infrastructure that would allow me to divide the country into fixed no-compete zones .... which in turn would allow me to terminally raise rates without being disciplined by market competition.
 
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An idea I have would be to import doctors from low income countries the same as big business imports foreigners here to lower workers wages. This would change the doctor patient ratio in this country and lower health care costs. I usually carried catastrophic insurance with $5,000 deductible. I then used low cost clinics in mostly Hispanic neighborhoods for most of my health issues. Usually $100-250 including treatments, shots, and medications on average.
 

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