How would you kill him?

[Billo_Really]

No, I disagree. Whatever happened in the past, screw that.

You can't. You can't solve a problem, any problem, until you break it down to its root causes. If you don't know how a problem came into existence, you will have little chance of finding a solution to fix it. You may fix it temporarily, but it will keep coming back because you never addressed the factors that led to the problem in the first place.

And in this case, it's the occupation.

The Israelis are there. You don't kick them out. The peace process will only succeed with both sides agreeing to sort out their problems instead of using each other to create problems.

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Saying the Israeli's are there and you don't kick them out, is like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland and that just ain't gonna happen.

There is nothing to agree on and nothing to negotiate. Israel needs to get the **** off land that isn't theirs. They need to comply with international law and that's it!

If somebody robs a bank, you don't negotiate with the bank robbers and the bank to bring back a portion of the loot. You go after the bank robbers and hold them accountable for the crime they committed.

Terrorism or any other label doesn't really matter. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, the govt isn't serving their people, they're trying to kill the Israelis and the Israelis are trying to kill them. The right wing's wet dream going on, both sides having reasons to attack the others and getting put in power to be strong.

It's not an equal conflict and to talk as if it is, is just ludicrous. WTF is this shit about "...labels doesn't really matter"? These aren't labels completely detached from reality. There is a big difference between terrorism and self defense. As long as the occupation is ongoing, Israel cannot claim self defense.

And the killing is definitely not equal. In Operation Protective Edge alone, Israel killed 2600 Palestinians. In the 14 years militant groups have been firing rockets at Israeli's, only 28 have died. Since 2001. Are you trying to say that is equal?

As far as "reasons" to attack, one sides' reason is legal, the other sides' reason is not.

 

[docmauser1]

... I've mentioned several times that they're both as bad as each other.

No they are not. The Palestinian's have a reason and a legal right to be violent, the Israeli's do not. Defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism. ...

Bullish.

 

[docmauser1]

Only they're not Nazis, are they? Nazis are National Socialists. I don't know any Muslims that fit the bill. There might be some, but I doubt the Palestinians are. ...

Palistanians are mucho national-socialist about jewish property and holdings, of course, redistributionist so, indeed. hehe

 

[Billo_Really]

LINK to this "legal right" Firing illegal weapons classed as war crimes at Israeli children is not defence. Was it defence when Hitler invaded Poland then because that is what the Palestinians are doing. Puts them on a par with Hitler doesn't it ?

Phoeny logic:

Hitler tried to annex Poland.
Israel tries to annex the West Bank.
Therefore, its the Pals fault because
they serve ice cream on Tuesdays.​

 

[docmauser1]

... Why dig a tunnel IN SECRET exactly? ...

But that's what gazabadians do, of course. Any geneva convention on digging tunnels in the open?

 

[docmauser1]

Well, the US are certainly in Nigeria, it has oil.
They've been in Somalia, ever seen Black Hawk Down?
Iran was handed an Islamic state by the US interference there.
The US are definitely in Pakistan. Just because US troops aren't in a place, doesn't mean the US isn't there.

The big bro's sure been busy, indeed.

 

[docmauser1]

Terrorism or any other label doesn't really matter. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, the govt isn't serving their people, they're trying to kill the Israelis and the Israelis are trying to kill them. The right wing's wet dream going on, both sides having reasons to attack the others and getting put in power to be strong.

Indeed, as long as international busybodies keep palistanians on their tab they ain't going nowhere, of course.

 

[Phoenall]

As for the 80% claim look at the violence in the world and see what is the common denominater

That's an easy one...

Common denominator

AMERICA!

So America are in Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Iran, Myanmar and Pakistan ? When did this all happen

Are you seriously suggesting that the US 'foreign policy' has improved so much that they have NO influence in the listed countries!

Waking up and smelling the coffee springs to mind for you Phoney!

We are not talking foreign policy by violence and terrorism, that the muslims have in abundance. Did the US starve millions to death in Ethiopia and Biafra then, or was that the muslims grabbing more land

 

[Phoenall]

No, I disagree. Whatever happened in the past, screw that.

You can't. You can't solve a problem, any problem, until you break it down to its root causes. If you don't know how a problem came into existence, you will have little chance of finding a solution to fix it. You may fix it temporarily, but it will keep coming back because you never addressed the factors that led to the problem in the first place.

And in this case, it's the occupation.

The Israelis are there. You don't kick them out. The peace process will only succeed with both sides agreeing to sort out their problems instead of using each other to create problems.

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Saying the Israeli's are there and you don't kick them out, is like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland and that just ain't gonna happen.

There is nothing to agree on and nothing to negotiate. Israel needs to get the **** off land that isn't theirs. They need to comply with international law and that's it!

If somebody robs a bank, you don't negotiate with the bank robbers and the bank to bring back a portion of the loot. You go after the bank robbers and hold them accountable for the crime they committed.

Terrorism or any other label doesn't really matter. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, the govt isn't serving their people, they're trying to kill the Israelis and the Israelis are trying to kill them. The right wing's wet dream going on, both sides having reasons to attack the others and getting put in power to be strong.

It's not an equal conflict and to talk as if it is, is just ludicrous. WTF is this shit about "...labels doesn't really matter"? These aren't labels completely detached from reality. There is a big difference between terrorism and self defense. As long as the occupation is ongoing, Israel cannot claim self defense.

And the killing is definitely not equal. In Operation Protective Edge alone, Israel killed 2600 Palestinians. In the 14 years militant groups have been firing rockets at Israeli's, only 28 have died. Since 2001. Are you trying to say that is equal?

As far as "reasons" to attack, one sides' reason is legal, the other sides' reason is not.

So nothing to do with 1400 years of Islamic atrocities against the Jews starting in Medina and ending when every Jew is dead. I keep asking you what caused the violence and terrorism prior to 1967 and you ignore the question as it proves you wrong.

So International law says that the land if Israel's so what are you going to do now, ignore the international law and keep pushing your Jew hatred lies ?


And as long as the Palestinians target children they cant claim self defence either, and as long as the Palestinians fire illegal weapons classed as war crimes they cant claim defence either. But Israel can as all the attacks are happening in Israel


have you forgotten that the violence started in 635 C.E. and that millions of Jews have been killed by muslims in that time. or come up to date and the recent round of violence started in 1929 and thousands of Jews have been killed since then by Palestinians. Why do you Jew haters always have 2000 as the cut off year when the deaths from islamonazi violence and terrorism go back 71 years before that



As you say the Palestinians have no legal reason to attack Israel, and when they do it is a war crime.

 

[Hollie]

No, I disagree. Whatever happened in the past, screw that.

You can't. You can't solve a problem, any problem, until you break it down to its root causes. If you don't know how a problem came into existence, you will have little chance of finding a solution to fix it. You may fix it temporarily, but it will keep coming back because you never addressed the factors that led to the problem in the first place.

And in this case, it's the occupation.

The Israelis are there. You don't kick them out. The peace process will only succeed with both sides agreeing to sort out their problems instead of using each other to create problems.

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Saying the Israeli's are there and you don't kick them out, is like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland and that just ain't gonna happen.

There is nothing to agree on and nothing to negotiate. Israel needs to get the **** off land that isn't theirs. They need to comply with international law and that's it!

If somebody robs a bank, you don't negotiate with the bank robbers and the bank to bring back a portion of the loot. You go after the bank robbers and hold them accountable for the crime they committed.

Terrorism or any other label doesn't really matter. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, the govt isn't serving their people, they're trying to kill the Israelis and the Israelis are trying to kill them. The right wing's wet dream going on, both sides having reasons to attack the others and getting put in power to be strong.

It's not an equal conflict and to talk as if it is, is just ludicrous. WTF is this shit about "...labels doesn't really matter"? These aren't labels completely detached from reality. There is a big difference between terrorism and self defense. As long as the occupation is ongoing, Israel cannot claim self defense.

And the killing is definitely not equal. In Operation Protective Edge alone, Israel killed 2600 Palestinians. In the 14 years militant groups have been firing rockets at Israeli's, only 28 have died. Since 2001. Are you trying to say that is equal?

As far as "reasons" to attack, one sides' reason is legal, the other sides' reason is not.

Hey Stupid. There's no reason to expect Israeli deaths as the result of Islamic terrorism perpetrated by your Pali heroes will mirror the number of Islamic terrorist deaths. The Islamic terrorists in Gaza'istan and the Islamic occupied territories die in disproportionate numbers because Islamic terrorism carries a price.

After all, aren't we to accept that islamo-slogan "we love death more than you love life", as a matter of policy? You and the Pali lowlifes should consider yourselves fortunate that Israel acts with restraint to continued Islamist aggression. You don't truly appreciate the mayhem that Israel could unleash if they decide to eventually deal with the Islamic terrorist Pal'istanians in a manner which will make the Pali terrorists truly appreciate their slogan.

 

[westwall]

You continue to deny verifiable fact with anecdotal claims. Very silly.

Show us the "verifiable" facts then.

This documentary should end the debate.

At 4:04 les femmes "tondues et exécuté" women (head shaved and executed)

Only it doesn't have any of the particulars on WHO is doing the killing now does it. You're really not very good at this are you. This is every bit as much hearsay as my evidence silly boy.

 

[Phoenall]

LINK to this "legal right" Firing illegal weapons classed as war crimes at Israeli children is not defence. Was it defence when Hitler invaded Poland then because that is what the Palestinians are doing. Puts them on a par with Hitler doesn't it ?

Phoeny logic:

Hitler tried to annex Poland.
Israel tries to annex the West Bank.
Therefore, its the Pals fault because
they serve ice cream on Tuesdays.​

In other words you cant provide a link to this "legal right" so you deflect away from it

I will ask again was it defence when Hitler invaded Poland, because this is what the Palestinians are doing

 

[Humanity]

As for the 80% claim look at the violence in the world and see what is the common denominater

That's an easy one...

Common denominator

AMERICA!

So America are in Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Iran, Myanmar and Pakistan ? When did this all happen

Are you seriously suggesting that the US 'foreign policy' has improved so much that they have NO influence in the listed countries!

Waking up and smelling the coffee springs to mind for you Phoney!

We are not talking foreign policy by violence and terrorism, that the muslims have in abundance. Did the US starve millions to death in Ethiopia and Biafra then, or was that the muslims grabbing more land

Quite right, you asked for a common denominator...

If you seriously believe that the US has no connection with the countries you mentioned then you are more deluded than I thought...

Besides which, the US is arming any terrorist organisation, anywhere in the world, that they consider 'friendly', in the name of 'democracy'!

 

[flacaltenn]

No, I disagree. Whatever happened in the past, screw that.

You can't. You can't solve a problem, any problem, until you break it down to its root causes. If you don't know how a problem came into existence, you will have little chance of finding a solution to fix it. You may fix it temporarily, but it will keep coming back because you never addressed the factors that led to the problem in the first place.

And in this case, it's the occupation.

The Israelis are there. You don't kick them out. The peace process will only succeed with both sides agreeing to sort out their problems instead of using each other to create problems.

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Saying the Israeli's are there and you don't kick them out, is like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland and that just ain't gonna happen.

There is nothing to agree on and nothing to negotiate. Israel needs to get the **** off land that isn't theirs. They need to comply with international law and that's it!

If somebody robs a bank, you don't negotiate with the bank robbers and the bank to bring back a portion of the loot. You go after the bank robbers and hold them accountable for the crime they committed.

Terrorism or any other label doesn't really matter. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, the govt isn't serving their people, they're trying to kill the Israelis and the Israelis are trying to kill them. The right wing's wet dream going on, both sides having reasons to attack the others and getting put in power to be strong.

It's not an equal conflict and to talk as if it is, is just ludicrous. WTF is this shit about "...labels doesn't really matter"? These aren't labels completely detached from reality. There is a big difference between terrorism and self defense. As long as the occupation is ongoing, Israel cannot claim self defense.

And the killing is definitely not equal. In Operation Protective Edge alone, Israel killed 2600 Palestinians. In the 14 years militant groups have been firing rockets at Israeli's, only 28 have died. Since 2001. Are you trying to say that is equal?

As far as "reasons" to attack, one sides' reason is legal, the other sides' reason is not.

Of course it's not an "equal conflict".. Because it's between an advanced society that values trade and government and infrastructure and communication with the outside world -- and a displaced indigenous people who are living and thinking in 1000 year old terms. Those NEVER end well when all the indigenous folks just martyr themselves in violence and disorganization..

If the Palis don't get on the train --- they aren't going nowhere. Having warred with themselves and had leadership known best for hijacking airplanes and gotten tossed out of 2 other MidEast nations -- they need better PR -- MUCH better PR -- than groups of bloodthirsty zealots who THINK they are helping their cause by edging them closer to oblivion...

 

[flacaltenn]

As for the 80% claim look at the violence in the world and see what is the common denominater

That's an easy one...

Common denominator

AMERICA!

So America are in Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Iran, Myanmar and Pakistan ? When did this all happen

Are you seriously suggesting that the US 'foreign policy' has improved so much that they have NO influence in the listed countries!

Waking up and smelling the coffee springs to mind for you Phoney!

We are not talking foreign policy by violence and terrorism, that the muslims have in abundance. Did the US starve millions to death in Ethiopia and Biafra then, or was that the muslims grabbing more land

Quite right, you asked for a common denominator...

If you seriously believe that the US has no connection with the countries you mentioned then you are more deluded than I thought...

Besides which, the US is arming any terrorist organisation, anywhere in the world, that they consider 'friendly', in the name of 'democracy'!

Not gonna help the Palis by criticizing our harebrained brain-dead US foreign policies decisions. Ethiopia and Biafra were NEVER a US priority. The actions of US are much like the folks here who think supporting the Palis is ENOUGH to make a difference. It's that "co-dependency" thing again. When do-gooders start judging their own worth and meaning by "caring about" the dysfunctional people they love. It's the people with the real illnesses and issues that need to change and control their OWN destiny..

 

[flacaltenn]

LINK to this "legal right" Firing illegal weapons classed as war crimes at Israeli children is not defence. Was it defence when Hitler invaded Poland then because that is what the Palestinians are doing. Puts them on a par with Hitler doesn't it ?

Phoeny logic:

Hitler tried to annex Poland.
Israel tries to annex the West Bank.
Therefore, its the Pals fault because
they serve ice cream on Tuesdays.​

Nope 2nd line is wrong. Israel ENDS UP being the occupier of the West Bank as a result of Arab aggression. Pali "leadership" -- such as the PLO was -- go live in Jordan and then do the dumb move of marching tanks towards the capital city. Their asses get tossed out. And Jordan releases all claims to the West Bank. EVEN THO --- it represented at the time -- about 1/3 of their GDP and the Govt had plunged $MILLs into infrastructure for Pali relocation.. .

 

[Billo_Really]

Of course it's not an "equal conflict".. Because it's between an advanced society that values trade and government and infrastructure and communication with the outside world -- and a displaced indigenous people who are living and thinking in 1000 year old terms. Those NEVER end well when all the indigenous folks just martyr themselves in violence and disorganization..

If the Palis don't get on the train --- they aren't going nowhere. Having warred with themselves and had leadership known best for hijacking airplanes and gotten tossed out of 2 other MidEast nations -- they need better PR -- MUCH better PR -- than groups of bloodthirsty zealots who THINK they are helping their cause by edging them closer to oblivion...

"... indigenous people who are living and thinking in 1000 year old terms..."

Are still a 1000 years more modern than someone claiming area is their ancestral home.

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course it's not an "equal conflict".. Because it's between an advanced society that values trade and government and infrastructure and communication with the outside world -- and a displaced indigenous people who are living and thinking in 1000 year old terms. Those NEVER end well when all the indigenous folks just martyr themselves in violence and disorganization..

If the Palis don't get on the train --- they aren't going nowhere. Having warred with themselves and had leadership known best for hijacking airplanes and gotten tossed out of 2 other MidEast nations -- they need better PR -- MUCH better PR -- than groups of bloodthirsty zealots who THINK they are helping their cause by edging them closer to oblivion...

"... indigenous people who are living and thinking in 1000 year old terms..."

Are still a 1000 years more modern than someone claiming area is their ancestral home.

A lot of people who created Israel already lived in cohesive, vibrant societies. Although many of them had downright diabolical leadership. And Jews have made their share of mistakes. One of the largest being that the Jewish intellectuals sought to support the Commie movement. At the time -- it was a simply a choice between being used for sword practice by the Czars Cossacks or going with Lenin/Trotsky. That got them blamed for Russia''s ills twice. For just trying to survive in a sketchy political climate. At least they were on the right side of border against Hitler.

PERHAPS --- trying to survive in a sketchy political climate is better than committing suicide by Israeli cops and soldiers? Don't know. But when the Pali youth think that their future rests on the Rock or Knife in their hands and NOT in some form of productive leadership -- YOU or I can't really help them.. PLENTY of brilliant, worldly Palis that could help.. We --- can only encourage progress towards peace..

 

[flacaltenn]

And here's the prob. Billo --- Brilliant, worldly Palis that talk about the future and peace and commerce and happiness --- have big targets on their backs. Might have to split up the Palis at some point --- draw a line and have them choose.

 

[Billo_Really]

A lot of people who created Israel already lived in cohesive, vibrant societies. Although many of them had downright diabolical leadership. And Jews have made their share of mistakes. One of the largest being that the Jewish intellectuals sought to support the Commie movement. At the time -- it was a simply a choice between being used for sword practice by the Czars Cossacks or going with Lenin/Trotsky. That got them blamed for Russia''s ills twice. For just trying to survive in a sketchy political climate. At least they were on the right side of border against Hitler.

PERHAPS --- trying to survive in a sketchy political climate is better than committing suicide by Israeli cops and soldiers? Don't know. But when the Pali youth think that their future rests on the Rock or Knife in their hands and NOT in some form of productive leadership -- YOU or I can't really help them.. PLENTY of brilliant, worldly Palis that could help.. We --- can only encourage progress towards peace..

The Pals are not the problem.

The occupation is.