Zone1 How will the Third Temple be rebuilt? | Past, Preset and Future

[rylah]

Discover how Tisha B’Av and 17th of Tammuz reflect the deep, divine order of Jewish history.
From broken Tablets to hope for redemption.

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[hobelim]

establish a palestinian state is the solution - gaza, west bank, jerusalem et al

What you don't seem to understand is that the Palestinians, at least their so called leaders, have had since 1948 many opportunities to have a Palestinian state established along side of Israel but they do not want that, they do not want a state of Israel to exist at all and went to war and when they lost, waa waa, to destabilize the region they falsely accuse Israel of genocide for any response to inhuman acts of terror to achieve that end. Thats why Abba Solomon Meir Eban famously said, "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

Its not an accident. Again, they do not want a state of Israel to exist at all. They have perpetuated the conflict.

They had Gaza but instead of peace chose to further their inhuman terror attacks on Israel. What would you do?

 

[hobelim]

Spiritualism? Hobelim? Naw. Secularism. I bet he thinks Israel is committing genocide.

lol... Loser.

 

[ding]

lol... Loser.

You didn’t say I’d lose the bet.

 

[hobelim]

You didn’t say I’d lose the bet.

So? You made the bet and lost, dimwit.

 

[BreezeWood]

They had Gaza

sure, and native americans had north america ... if only they would have behaved.

establish a palestinian state is the solution - gaza, west bank, jerusalem et al ... judaism is all about love your neighbors.

the jews went to the united nations, there is nothing different for the palestinians to do the same with no less animosity than what the jews had for what they did.

 

[ding]

So? You made the bet and lost, dimwit.

Not until you actually state your position in writing, ya hamas sympathizer.

 

[hobelim]

sure, and native americans had north america ... if only they would have behaved.

Apples and oranges. Try again.

the jews went to the united nations, there is nothing different for the palestinians to do the same with no less animosity than what the jews had for what they did.

"Soon after President Truman took office, he appointed several experts to study the Palestinian issue. In the summer of 1946, Truman established a special cabinet committee under the chairmanship of Dr. Henry F. Grady, an Assistant Secretary of State, who entered into negotiations with a parallel British committee to discuss the future of Palestine. In May 1946, Truman announced his approval of a recommendation to admit 100,000 displaced persons into Palestine and in October publicly declared his support for the creation of a Jewish state. Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.

Although the United States backed Resolution 181, the U.S. Department of State recommended the creation of a United Nations trusteeship with limits on Jewish immigration and a division of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab provinces but not states. The State Department, concerned about the possibility of an increasing Soviet role in the Arab world and the potential for restriction by Arab oil producing nations of oil supplies to the United States, advised against U.S. intervention on behalf of the Jews. Later, as the date for British departure from Palestine drew near, the Department of State grew concerned about the possibility of an all-out war in Palestine as Arab states threatened to attack almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.

(and Egypt Jordan Iraq Syria Lebanon and Saudi Arabia did and suffered a humiliating loss they never got over.)

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

 

[ding]

The Zionists are doing it again.
Causing most of the world to believe that all Jews are responsible for the genocide against the Palestinian people.

You must have some external locus of control to believe the Zionists can brainwash most of the world into believing that.

What possible motive could they have for that?

 

[BreezeWood]

Apples and oranges. Try again.


"Soon after President Truman took office, he appointed several experts to study the Palestinian issue. In the summer of 1946, Truman established a special cabinet committee under the chairmanship of Dr. Henry F. Grady, an Assistant Secretary of State, who entered into negotiations with a parallel British committee to discuss the future of Palestine. In May 1946, Truman announced his approval of a recommendation to admit 100,000 displaced persons into Palestine and in October publicly declared his support for the creation of a Jewish state. Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.

Although the United States backed Resolution 181, the U.S. Department of State recommended the creation of a United Nations trusteeship with limits on Jewish immigration and a division of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab provinces but not states. The State Department, concerned about the possibility of an increasing Soviet role in the Arab world and the potential for restriction by Arab oil producing nations of oil supplies to the United States, advised against U.S. intervention on behalf of the Jews. Later, as the date for British departure from Palestine drew near, the Department of State grew concerned about the possibility of an all-out war in Palestine as Arab states threatened to attack almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.

(and Egypt Jordan Iraq Syria Lebanon and Saudi Arabia did and suffered a humiliating loss they never got over.)

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

the above is relevant to what exactly ... they ran to the united nations for statehood - the jews.

As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members.

just why, holy one is palestine not its own state - try again your denials are already known ...

 

[hobelim]

the above is relevant to what exactly ... they ran to the united nations for statehood - the jews.

Like any civilized nation would do. Seek consensus among the nations through peaceful negotiations. They didn't send suicide bombers to kill innocent people on a bus, pizza parlor, disco, or a wedding to establish their state.

And your problem with that is?

just why, holy one is palestine not its own state - try again your denials are already known ...

Because "the Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." They could've had their own state in 1948

Go cry to someone else.

 

[rylah]

Sometimes history leaves no choice: even the most peaceful intentions
are swept aside when fate demands a stand against evil.

That’s the lesson of Moses, Sihon—and our own day.

 

[BreezeWood]

Sometimes history leaves no choice: even the most peaceful intentions
are swept aside when fate demands a stand against evil.

That’s the lesson of Moses, Sihon—and our own day.

so true, as the 1st century events during that time - the repudiation of judaism false commandments by the liar moses hereditary idolatry abraham religion of apartheid false heavenly personifications and prophets et al ...

the true religion being in fact the triumph over evil for admission to the everlasting - is all there is to accomplish.

 

[rylah]

so true, as the 1st century events during that time - the repudiation of judaism false commandments by the liar moses hereditary idolatry abraham religion of apartheid false heavenly personifications and prophets et al ...

the true religion being in fact the triumph over evil for admission to the everlasting - is all there is to accomplish.

For the descendant of Jacob, the "everlasting" part
has been taken care of by very definition,
it's not of main concern;

It's about making this world more Godly,
rather than escaping it.

So you do your religion, to escape the fear of hell,
we'll take care of improving this world for generations to come.

 

[hobelim]

So you do your religion, to escape the fear of hell,

The funny yet sad thing about that is the ones who are terrified of going to hell are the ones who are already in it.

"outside are dogs, sorcerers, murderers, idolators and everyone who only loves and practices deceit."

 

[rylah]

The funny yet sad thing about that is the ones who are terrified of going to hell are the ones who are already in it.

"outside are dogs, sorcerers, murderers, idolators and everyone who only loves and practices deceit."

They say, a sense of humor in a person is a sign of belonging to the World to Come.
So when all these are outside, inside seems quiet boring.

Now why do you hate dogs so much?!

 

[rylah]

Is prayer about changing God’s will, or transforming ourselves?

 

[ding]

Is prayer about changing God’s will, or transforming ourselves?

The latter. But of course that means doing God’s will instead of ours. He leaves it up to us to figure that out though. He doesn’t force it upon us.

 

[rylah]

The latter. But of course that means doing God’s will instead of ours. He leaves it up to us to figure that out though. He doesn’t force it upon us.

Prayer itself, is the facet of prophets.

We're only allowed that as a practice run.

Regarding God's will vs your will,
there's also a distinction between individual and collective levels.

 

[rylah]