CDZ How Will the Robotics Revolution Impact the Democratic Party?

[alang1216]

And that you cant see how strong advanced AI on a completely autonomous mobile robot (that can be bought for about $1500 and never sleeps, never takes vacations, never takes maternity leave, will never unionize, etc) wont displace human workers unless something is done to reduce their economic advantage speaks more to a problem entirely unrelated to the subject itself.

You're looking at the wrong side of the equation. We don't want to reduce their economic advantage we want to use it to make life better for all workers.

 

[HUGGY]

I still don't know what motivates you to believe I am a liberal??????? I am EXTREMELY keen on the U S Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Preamble. My biggest presidential hero was Eisenhower. I think of him every time I drive on a freeway. I have never voted for a democrat.

I too have learned much from the discussions and topics brought to this MB by a wide assortment of posters. It doesn't hurt one's mind to look at new ideas. There is no reason one cannot look at something and have the sense to learn from it or even part of it or reject it in whole.

Lol, I call you a liberal for the same reason everyone else does it; you are disagreeing with ME, lolol.

No, on cultural issues and the belief in a God you are definitely on the liberal side of the fence, other than that you seem more libertarianish,

But I dont know. I am not thinking of every post you have made when I respond to you, nor does anyone else I am sure. We are too busy telling you how wrong you are.

I don't get how some here equate atheism with liberalism. A non religious conservative looks at the facts and dismisses fantasy or what looks like fantasy. I don't take ANYONE'S word for anything without verification. In my mind THAT is a truly conservative outlook. I AM for capital punishment. I AM a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. Libertarians don't have a realistic understanding of the need for SOME intelligent useful government.

This is a dangerous world. We need a strong military and a congress and president willing to apply it to protect the U S. That said wars of adventure are foolish as are acts of revenge not based on real facts. I believe in religious freedom but not a marriage of religion and government.

I don't believe my values are wrong. But, if you need to disagree I believe you have the absolute right and duty to say what you believe.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Alang, just a heads up, but you are screwing up the attributions.

And that you cant see how strong advanced AI on a completely autonomous mobile robot (that can be bought for about $1500 and never sleeps, never takes vacations, never takes maternity leave, will never unionize, etc) wont displace human workers unless something is done to reduce their economic advantage speaks more to a problem entirely unrelated to the subject itself.

You're looking at the wrong side of the equation. We don't want to reduce their economic advantage we want to use it to make life better for all workers.

How is life better in the short run for anyone if they have no income?

 

[JimBowie1958]

I don't get how some here equate atheism with liberalism. A non religious conservative looks at the facts and dismisses fantasy or what looks like fantasy. I don't take ANYONE'S word for anything without verification. In my mind THAT is a truly conservative outlook. I AM for capital punishment. I AM a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. Libertarians don't have a realistic understanding of the need for SOME intelligent useful government.

This is a dangerous world. We need a strong military and a congress and president willing to apply it to protect the U S. That said wars of adventure are foolish as are acts of revenge not based on real facts. I believe in religious freedom but not a marriage of religion and government.

I don't believe my values are wrong. But, if you need to disagree I believe you have the absolute right and duty to say what you believe.

Maybe we should discuss this on a different thread?

 

[HUGGY]

I don't get how some here equate atheism with liberalism. A non religious conservative looks at the facts and dismisses fantasy or what looks like fantasy. I don't take ANYONE'S word for anything without verification. In my mind THAT is a truly conservative outlook. I AM for capital punishment. I AM a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. Libertarians don't have a realistic understanding of the need for SOME intelligent useful government.

This is a dangerous world. We need a strong military and a congress and president willing to apply it to protect the U S. That said wars of adventure are foolish as are acts of revenge not based on real facts. I believe in religious freedom but not a marriage of religion and government.

I don't believe my values are wrong. But, if you need to disagree I believe you have the absolute right and duty to say what you believe.

Maybe we should discuss this on a different thread?

Ya.. I'm done anyway. Things to do in the real world.

 

[alang1216]

Can you name another technology where real thinking mobile androids will be entirely able to do the jobs that human beings do?

You see AI as something new, I view it as a step in machine evolution. The first weaving looms that combined water wheel power and preprogrammed instructions put all the cottage industry weaves out of business. Those preprogrammed instructions were a very primitive form of AI. These machines reduced the cost of weaving, made some rich, and made some unemployed. Winners and losers but overall a win for society. AI will be the same.

 

[alang1216]

Alang, just a heads up, but you are screwing up the attributions.

Dang. See AI can't get here any too soon.

How is life better in the short run for anyone if they have no income?

There will always be short term losers and short term winners. The goal is have the term losers helped by the short term winners and make sure society as a whole is a long term winner.

 

[JimBowie1958]

How is life better in the short run for anyone if they have no income?

There will always be short term losers and short term winners. The goal is have the term losers helped by the short term winners and make sure society as a whole is a long term winner.

Not this time. There will be the usual top 1% winners who sell the robots to themselves, each other and the governments, and then the 99% rest of us who will be starving on the street if we dont do something to fix this now.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Can you name another technology where real thinking mobile androids will be entirely able to do the jobs that human beings do?

You see AI as something new, I view it as a step in machine evolution. The first weaving looms that combined water wheel power and preprogrammed instructions put all the cottage industry weaves out of business. Those preprogrammed instructions were a very primitive form of AI. These machines reduced the cost of weaving, made some rich, and made some unemployed. Winners and losers but overall a win for society. AI will be the same.

You can view it how ever you want. A corporation is not going to hire you or anyone else if they can buy a cheap robot and get it done forever 24/7 for free.

 

[alang1216]

There will be the usual top 1% winners who sell the robots to themselves, each other and the governments, and then the 99% rest of us who will be starving on the street if we dont do something to fix this now.

Technology can't be stopped so what do you propose?

 

[Holos]

only can computers analyze and solve problems independently

How do (electronically only and metal can) computers analyze and solve problems independently? That doesn't seem the case from my personal computer experience.

 

[JimBowie1958]

only can computers analyze and solve problems independently

How do (electronically only and metal can) computers analyze and solve problems independently? That doesn't seem the case from my personal computer experience.

Well, first, there is the extremely fast progress in Strong AI that most have not become acquainted with.

AI will create 'useless class' of human, predicts bestselling historian

It might all go pear-shaped, of course: we sapiens have a knack for hashing things up. Instead of morphing into omnipotent, all-knowing masters of the universe, the human mob might end up jobless and aimless, whiling away our days off our nuts on drugs, with VR headsets strapped to our faces. Welcome to the next revolution.

Harari calls it “the rise of the useless class” and ranks it as one of the most dire threats of the 21st century. In a nutshell, as artificial intelligence gets smarter, more humans are pushed out of the job market. No one knows what to study at college, because no one knows what skills learned at 20 will be relevant at 40. Before you know it, billions of people are useless, not through chance but by definition.

Fears robots will take over world by becoming lawyers, architects and doctors

Lawyers, doctors and accountants may be redundant in 20 years after scientists have claimed their jobs will be taken over by robots .

A study into the future of human employment has predicted a surge in machine-led work such as robotic counsellors, body part makers and virtual lawyers.

This is bad news for those in the profession , who could see themselves out of a job due to highly-skilled artificial intelligence.

Here an AI program recreates a Nobel Prize winning experiment from scratch.
AI learns and recreates Nobel-winning physics experiment

Australian physicists, perhaps searching for a way to shorten the work week, have created an AI that can run and even improve a complex physics experiment with little oversight. The research could eventually allow human scientists to focus on high-level problems and research design, leaving the nuts and bolts to a robotic lab assistant.

The experiment the AI performed was the creation of a Bose-Einstein condensate, a hyper-cold gas, the process for which won three physicists the Nobel Prize in 2001. It involves using directed radiation to slow a group of atoms nearly to a standstill, producing all manner of interesting effects.

Computers are developing people skills....
These robots just want to blend in

And even learning to disobey us.
Robots are learning to DISOBEY humans

But dont worry, already they intend to keep us safe in their zoos one day.
Intelligent robot tells interviewer, ‘I’ll keep you safe in my people zoo’


And a few more interesting links
Robot businessman
Artificial Intelligence Is Almost Ready for Business

Robot chef
Robot chef that can cook any of 2,000 meals at tap of a button to go on sale in 2017 - Factor

Introduction of 'Probability Code' to make AI routines more efficient and effective.
http://phys.org/news/2015-04-probabilistic-lines-code-thousands.html

AI Solved a 100 year old biology problem
A Computer Just Came Up With a Scientific Theory

Did you like Tony Starks Jarvis program in the AVengers? Well you might be able to buy such a system and install it into your computerized home one day.
http://singularityhub.com/2015/05/1...ring-it-on/#.VXZJLMvumGs.google_plusone_share

Hope that helps.

 

[Holos]

only can computers analyze and solve problems independently

How do (electronically only and metal can) computers analyze and solve problems independently? That doesn't seem the case from my personal computer experience.

Well, first, there is the extremely fast progress in Strong AI that most have not become acquainted with.

AI will create 'useless class' of human, predicts bestselling historian

It might all go pear-shaped, of course: we sapiens have a knack for hashing things up. Instead of morphing into omnipotent, all-knowing masters of the universe, the human mob might end up jobless and aimless, whiling away our days off our nuts on drugs, with VR headsets strapped to our faces. Welcome to the next revolution.

Harari calls it “the rise of the useless class” and ranks it as one of the most dire threats of the 21st century. In a nutshell, as artificial intelligence gets smarter, more humans are pushed out of the job market. No one knows what to study at college, because no one knows what skills learned at 20 will be relevant at 40. Before you know it, billions of people are useless, not through chance but by definition.

Fears robots will take over world by becoming lawyers, architects and doctors

Lawyers, doctors and accountants may be redundant in 20 years after scientists have claimed their jobs will be taken over by robots .

A study into the future of human employment has predicted a surge in machine-led work such as robotic counsellors, body part makers and virtual lawyers.

This is bad news for those in the profession , who could see themselves out of a job due to highly-skilled artificial intelligence.

Here an AI program recreates a Nobel Prize winning experiment from scratch.
AI learns and recreates Nobel-winning physics experiment

Australian physicists, perhaps searching for a way to shorten the work week, have created an AI that can run and even improve a complex physics experiment with little oversight. The research could eventually allow human scientists to focus on high-level problems and research design, leaving the nuts and bolts to a robotic lab assistant.

The experiment the AI performed was the creation of a Bose-Einstein condensate, a hyper-cold gas, the process for which won three physicists the Nobel Prize in 2001. It involves using directed radiation to slow a group of atoms nearly to a standstill, producing all manner of interesting effects.

Computers are developing people skills....
These robots just want to blend in

And even learning to disobey us.
Robots are learning to DISOBEY humans

But dont worry, already they intend to keep us safe in their zoos one day.
Intelligent robot tells interviewer, ‘I’ll keep you safe in my people zoo’


And a few more interesting links
Robot businessman
Artificial Intelligence Is Almost Ready for Business

Robot chef
Robot chef that can cook any of 2,000 meals at tap of a button to go on sale in 2017 - Factor

Introduction of 'Probability Code' to make AI routines more efficient and effective.
http://phys.org/news/2015-04-probabilistic-lines-code-thousands.html

AI Solved a 100 year old biology problem
A Computer Just Came Up With a Scientific Theory

Did you like Tony Starks Jarvis program in the AVengers? Well you might be able to buy such a system and install it into your computerized home one day.
http://singularityhub.com/2015/05/1...ring-it-on/#.VXZJLMvumGs.google_plusone_share

Hope that helps.

Of all those examples you provided, I was only able to identify wishful thinking for the future and current AI dependency (call it elaborate interdependence or multi-dependence for the significant advancement on AI progress).

The ability of AI to perform various tasks has progressed, by the very definition given to "artificial language", through dependency on natural language.

Natural language is language able to be produced or reproduced without a formal system.

Artificial language (language used by artificial intelligence) can only be produced and reproduced according to and following formal systems, therefore by definition making any artificial intelligence activity dependent on a systematic activity.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Of all those examples you provided, I was only able to identify wishful thinking for the future and current AI dependency (call it elaborate interdependence or multi-dependence for the significant advancement on AI progress).

These are things that HAVE HAPPENED.

There is nothing wishful thinking about any of it; it is HERE NOW.

 

[Holos]

Of all those examples you provided, I was only able to identify wishful thinking for the future and current AI dependency (call it elaborate interdependence or multi-dependence for the significant advancement on AI progress).

These are things that HAVE HAPPENED.

There is nothing wishful thinking about any of it; it is HERE NOW.

I agree that the information is here now.

However, the content of that information associated to the category I have given of wishful thinking, according to the system in which it was generated from and in which it was sought fulfillment, is mostly retracting and detracting upon its own structuring formats, which is to say it requires multiple verifying AI procedures to eventually modify the information and its content into a single cohesive advancing technological system (as it would be required for any functional AI).

 

[MarathonMike]

This may be the biggest robotic impact to the Democratic Party if Hillary continues to deteriorate.

 

[320 Years of History]

This may be the biggest robotic impact to the Democratic Party if Hillary continues to deteriorate.
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Risking that I had rather left well enough alone, I'm going to say, "I don't get it...." Can you explain what the image and the remark are intended to communicate?

 

[xband]

Robots will devastate the Democratic Party by creating high tech human jobs while eliminating low tech human jobs. France is considering or has already made a robot a person by making the robot pay income tax of course paid for by the company run by humans, so far.

 

[midcan5]

Maybe the OP writer missed it but robotics have already reduced labor. And labor is one reason Trump is doing so well among the white working classes. They aren't democrats and their anger is directed in the wrong direction. So I guess I don't get it? Consider the few foreign cars made here, the plants are highly robotized. Keeps worker numbers down. When I started working at ATT we repaired circuits down to the open or broken part, that too is gone. As I note in my thread on the emasculated American Trump's appeal is on the intellectual level of JimBowie1958's OP, slogans work for some. But the hard part is solutions. Americans don't support America, they are caught up in finger pointing and partisan nonsense. Reality is lost on most.

CDZ - The Emasculated American

How many I wonder support America? In the neighborhoods we travel today I see lots of hight level foreign autos, none of which support American workers. And yet the same people whine about the economy. See my sig for info.

Unions:

Writing Unions Out of the Story on Fighting Poverty
Galloping Over The Minimum Wage Myth


"The ironies here are rich. Conservative criticisms of social insurance reflect profound misapprehensions of its relation to private property. Social insurance, in both theory and practice, arose in defense of private property and against communist and socialist threats. Exploring these origins is essential now because they contain important lessons that will help us strengthen social insurance to meet the challenges of post-industrial capitalism." Elizabeth Anderson Common Property | Boston Review


"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

 

[320 Years of History]

hight level foreign autos

What is a hight level foreign auto?