How We Know Republicans Are Responsible For The Shutdown

[Antares]

Your like a kid slamming his hands over his ears.

Here is Cruz admitting it:


Watch: Sen. Ted Cruz Reads Green Eggs and Ham Into Congressional Record | Mediaite

What you don't get through your thick head is this belief is the motive behind the shutdown. Perception is reality. It is what the Tea Partiers believes, and they are acting on that belief.

LOL....ths isn't about Cruz or what he says, so you like Ted eh?

It's about :
A) Being able to think for myself
B) Working in Insurance and seeing the reality of what this

So pardon me for not joining you in sucking Ted's teet.

You really are beyond stupid if you think I am supportive of Cruz and the Tea Party's tactics in any way.

You really are stupid if you think anybody believes you are anything but a progressive

 

[daveman]

I believe more people will sign up than expected. Far more.

California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch - latimes.com

California's health insurance exchange vastly overstated the number of online hits it received Tuesday during the rollout of Obamacare.

State officials said the Covered California website got 645,000 hits during the first day of enrollment, far fewer than the 5 million it reported Tuesday.

The state exchange had cited the 5 million figure as a sign of strong consumer interest and a major reason people had so much difficulty using its $313-million online enrollment system.​

EXCLUSIVE: Less than 1 per cent of Web visitors are signing up for Obamacare on some state health exchange websites | Mail Online

EXCLUSIVE: Less than 1% of visitors are signing up for Obamacare on state health exchange websites
California's program registered an estimated 0.58 per cent of website visitors in its first day
A Connecticut congressman boasted that his state took 167 applications for Obamacare services on day one, a rate of 0.59 per cent
Obama administration won't say how many Americans signed up on the central website that covered insurance exchanges for 36 states
Kentucky's 5.3 per cent application rate seems to be the nation's highest
Other states wouldn't provide statistics, or tracked only the creation of new online accounts, not numbers of completed applications​

Tenn. TV Station Can't Find Anyone Who Has Successfully Signed Up for Obamacare | The Weekly Standard

"We're hearing not a single person locally has been successful getting through to the new health insurance exchange," said a local reporter. "It seems to be a problem especially in states like Tennessee, where the state opted out and left it up to the federal government to run what is essentially an online shopping site."​

Nowhere to go but up!

 

[g5000]

LOL....ths isn't about Cruz or what he says, so you like Ted eh?

It's about :
A) Being able to think for myself
B) Working in Insurance and seeing the reality of what this

So pardon me for not joining you in sucking Ted's teet.

You really are beyond stupid if you think I am supportive of Cruz and the Tea Party's tactics in any way.

You really are stupid if you think anybody believes you are anything but a progressive

You are the one crying for gifts from the government, defending them like everyone who is dependent on a government tit, not caring it forces someone else to have to surrender more of their income to pay for your gifts. You rationalize yourself into a full blown delusion to convince yourself you aren't a government dependent, even as you take your deductions which force others to pay more of their income to support the government social engineering of which you take full advantage. And while you irrationalize out of one side of your mouth about how it is a good thing to keep more of your income (ignoring others have to surrender more of theirs for you to do so), you join in raging against the 47 percent who also get to keep more of their income by not paying any federal income taxes!

Your kind has become positively schizophrenic. Doublethinkers and hypocrites. Your kind are quite liberal when it comes to demanding gifts from the government and then rationalizing them. You demand the government involve itself in a whole array of social experimentation and intervention. What was the whole gay marriage opposition thing about? It was about protecting the government's involvement in families. Tax credits, social security survivor benefits, and a thousand other interventions. And how about that mortgage interest deduction? That is an undeniable demand the government intervene in the free market, and provide a deeply regressive tax expenditure to select people. You are too stupid to realize the market turns right around and factors that deduction into the price of a house.

Hypocrites and idiots.

As for my "assumption" that millions of people are going to love and depend on ObamaCare as much as you depend on your government tit, you are forgetting there is a precedent: RomneyCare. And RomneyCare is very popular in Massachusetts, and that is how we know ObamaCare is also going to become very popular.

Just like you, other people also fall madly (literally) in love with their goverment tit.

And that is why the GOP is shutting down the government. They know that if ObamaCare gets off the ground, it will be very popular.

 

[Claudette]

I hope you're not talking about me in the final line, G.
You're a solid middle-of-the-road kinda guy.
Me? Slightly more to the right, maybe.

But I disagree with the bolded.
I don't believe there will be enough to sign up

I believe more people will sign up than expected. Far more.

maybe, BUT they need to be the right ones...they need those 3 million 'invincibles'.....big time.

Yup. If all invicibles decide to pay the penalty then the ACA will be in big trouble.

 

[g5000]

I hope you're not talking about me in the final line, G.
You're a solid middle-of-the-road kinda guy.
Me? Slightly more to the right, maybe.

But I disagree with the bolded.
I don't believe there will be enough to sign up

I believe more people will sign up than expected. Far more.

maybe, BUT they need to be the right ones...they need those 3 million 'invincibles'.....big time.

Not enough people in good health who are currenlty voluntarily uninsured will sign up to offset the cost of the unexpected numbers of poor and ill-health individuals who are going to sign up. ObamaCare is going to run deep in the red, both on the state and federal levels.

RomneyCare had huge cost overruns, and so will ObamaCare.

Obama was willfully lying when he said he would not sign a health reform that added "one single dime" to federal deficits.

 

[Antares]

You really are beyond stupid if you think I am supportive of Cruz and the Tea Party's tactics in any way.

You really are stupid if you think anybody believes you are anything but a progressive

You are the one crying for gifts from the government, defending them like everyone who is dependent on a government tit, not caring it forces someone else to have to surrender more of their income to pay for your gifts. You rationalize yourself into a full blow delusion to convince yourself you aren't a government dependent, even as you take your deductions which force others to pay more of their income to support the government social engineering of which you take full advantage. And while you irrationalize out of one side of your mouth about how it is a good thing to keep more of your income (ignoring others have to surrender more of theirs for you to do so), you join in raging against the 47 percent who also get to keep more of their income by not paying any federal income taxes!

Your kind has become positively schizophrenic. Doublethinkers and hypocrites.

As for my "assumption" that millions of people are going to love and depend on ObamaCare as much as you depend on your government tit, you are forgetting there is a precedent: RomneyCare. And RomneyCare is very popular in Massachusetts, and that is how we know ObamaCare is also going to become very popular.

Just like you, other people also fall madly (literally) in love with their goverment tit.

And that is why the GOP is shutting down the government. They know that if ObamaCare gets off the ground, it will be very popular.

Yada yada yada.

My central point stands, you are no more than a run of the mill Progressive who thinks that the individual is no individual at all, he is a part of the whole therefore his money is everybody's money and he should just be thankful that his "benevolent" Masters allow him to keep whatever they deem "fair".

What a dumbshit you are.

 

[Zona]

This is what happens when you ram a plan through solely on major majorities in the house and senate despite public opinion which is against this horrid law.

Public opinion....is against this... Can you back that up please....

 

[g5000]

You really are stupid if you think anybody believes you are anything but a progressive

You are the one crying for gifts from the government, defending them like everyone who is dependent on a government tit, not caring it forces someone else to have to surrender more of their income to pay for your gifts. You rationalize yourself into a full blow delusion to convince yourself you aren't a government dependent, even as you take your deductions which force others to pay more of their income to support the government social engineering of which you take full advantage. And while you irrationalize out of one side of your mouth about how it is a good thing to keep more of your income (ignoring others have to surrender more of theirs for you to do so), you join in raging against the 47 percent who also get to keep more of their income by not paying any federal income taxes!

Your kind has become positively schizophrenic. Doublethinkers and hypocrites.

As for my "assumption" that millions of people are going to love and depend on ObamaCare as much as you depend on your government tit, you are forgetting there is a precedent: RomneyCare. And RomneyCare is very popular in Massachusetts, and that is how we know ObamaCare is also going to become very popular.

Just like you, other people also fall madly (literally) in love with their goverment tit.

And that is why the GOP is shutting down the government. They know that if ObamaCare gets off the ground, it will be very popular.

Yada yada yada.

My central point stands, you are no more than a run of the mill Progressive who thinks that the individual is no individual at all, he is a part of the whole therefore his money is everybody's money and he should just be thankful that his "benevolent" Masters allow him to keep whatever they deem "fair".

What a dumbshit you are.

That's all you have?

You have no defense, and that is because everything I said is true.

Since you are so in favor of people keeping their income, I guess you will no longer join in raging against the 47 percent who don't pay federal income taxes.

And you cannot pretend that when you take a deduction someone else has to pay more of their income in taxes, and everyone has higher tax rates. This results in people earning identical incomes paying radically different amounts of taxes.

The only idiot here is you for living in denial of these facts.

 

[Katzndogz]

Romney care is popular in Massachusettes because it is a single state. When Romneycare was instituted 91% of the state was already insured. What works in Massachusettes may not work in New Mexico.

One of the people complaining that obamacare increased his insurance premiums by 61% said that when he complained he was told that his coverage had actually increased. He now had insurance for maternity care and new baby care. Good. Except that his wife is 58 years old. One size fits all. If you are 65 years old you still get maternity care and new baby care. You pay for that, when you did not before. That's the difference between Romneycare and obamacare.

 

[Antares]

You are the one crying for gifts from the government, defending them like everyone who is dependent on a government tit, not caring it forces someone else to have to surrender more of their income to pay for your gifts. You rationalize yourself into a full blow delusion to convince yourself you aren't a government dependent, even as you take your deductions which force others to pay more of their income to support the government social engineering of which you take full advantage. And while you irrationalize out of one side of your mouth about how it is a good thing to keep more of your income (ignoring others have to surrender more of theirs for you to do so), you join in raging against the 47 percent who also get to keep more of their income by not paying any federal income taxes!

Your kind has become positively schizophrenic. Doublethinkers and hypocrites.

As for my "assumption" that millions of people are going to love and depend on ObamaCare as much as you depend on your government tit, you are forgetting there is a precedent: RomneyCare. And RomneyCare is very popular in Massachusetts, and that is how we know ObamaCare is also going to become very popular.

Just like you, other people also fall madly (literally) in love with their goverment tit.

And that is why the GOP is shutting down the government. They know that if ObamaCare gets off the ground, it will be very popular.

Yada yada yada.

My central point stands, you are no more than a run of the mill Progressive who thinks that the individual is no individual at all, he is a part of the whole therefore his money is everybody's money and he should just be thankful that his "benevolent" Masters allow him to keep whatever they deem "fair".

What a dumbshit you are.

That's all you have?

You have no defense, and that is because everything I said is true.

Since you are so in favor of people keeping their income, I guess you will no longer join in raging against the 47 percent who don't pay federal income taxes.

And you cannot pretend that when you take a deduction someone else has to pay more of their income in taxes, and everyone has higher tax rates. This results in people earning identical incomes paying radically different amounts of taxes.

The only idiot here is you for living in denial of these facts.

LOL, to you sucking from the Gov "teet" is demanding that we be allowed to keep more of the money we earn.

Gov hacks pretend that me keeping more of my income equals a "government expenditure"...sorry moron...you have bought into the Progressive of collectivism...sorry, thats just not an "american" idea at best it is European Socialism, at worst it is outright Communism.

You lose kid, the first step to political recovery is admitting what you are, a Progressive.

I can help you...but you MUST take that first step....

 

[Katzndogz]

I believe more people will sign up than expected. Far more.

maybe, BUT they need to be the right ones...they need those 3 million 'invincibles'.....big time.

Not enough people in good health who are currenlty voluntarily uninsured will sign up to offset the cost of the unexpected numbers of poor and ill-health individuals who are going to sign up. ObamaCare is going to run deep in the red, both on the state and federal levels.

RomneyCare had huge cost overruns, and so will ObamaCare.

Obama was willfully lying when he said he would not sign a health reform that added "one single dime" to federal deficits.

Of course they won't. They will pay the penalty and when millions of people pay the penalty and it still doesn't help with the costs, the penalty will be increased and increased again, however many times and how ever large the penalty must be.

When the current premiums don't cover the costs, those premiums will be increased and increased again. The Supreme Court upheld obamacare as a TAX, meaning they can raise it however high they wish.

 

[Katzndogz]

We know it's the democrats because of what they are choosing to shut down. Camp David is open in case the presidunce wants to be entertained. A mere feed of sports to the military overseas is shut down.

Military keeps Camp David open, cuts NFL, baseball coverage to troops overseas | WashingtonExaminer.com

President Obama has visited the Navy-run presidential retreat Camp David in central Maryland only 32 times, but it is being kept open during the government shutdown for his entertainment and security at the same time the Pentagon is cutting sports coverage to hundreds of thousands of troops around the world.

Golf courses stay open, Memorials are closed. It's all about selective closures to pain the people. It's the democrats doing that. Democrats fully intend to crash the economy. obamacare plays a big part in that.

 

[Vox]

I believe more people will sign up than expected. Far more.

maybe, BUT they need to be the right ones...they need those 3 million 'invincibles'.....big time.

Yup. If all invicibles decide to pay the penalty then the ACA will be in big trouble.

How? if people still pay the penalty - that is them paying for ACA, one way or the other. It is not a direct pay tothe insurance companies, but you can take is as a given, if this administration favros big corporations and businesses over simple Americans ( obamacare is the best proof of that - written by insurance companies and FOR insurance companies)
they will redistribute our tax money ( as happened with Solyndra) to help those companies.

it is the Americans and small businesses which are being gauged by dimocraps. As usual, though.

 

[Trajan]

I believe more people will sign up than expected. Far more.

maybe, BUT they need to be the right ones...they need those 3 million 'invincibles'.....big time.

Not enough people in good health who are currenlty voluntarily uninsured will sign up to offset the cost of the unexpected numbers of poor and ill-health individuals who are going to sign up. ObamaCare is going to run deep in the red, both on the state and federal levels.

RomneyCare had huge cost overruns, and so will ObamaCare.

Obama was willfully lying when he said he would not sign a health reform that added "one single dime" to federal deficits.

knowing that I am flummoxed as to how then, you could make the case that the gop is chasing their tail, this will pass, and I am not even sure will leave a mark for long. The point to cruz's holding the floor, and the shut down and the rest is, we don't want it and we don't own it- Full Stop......


.....and I get your point ala people will love it, they will love it because they will be riding somsone elses coattails, and when in say, ( if it gets going ) after 5 years we will have another non discretionary spending sucking money down along with the others and, if anyone thinks that in say 20 years when they get to the point where in they have for 20 years, added their money to pay for the older folks care nnow, via obamacare that they will receive anything like the care/ access etc. we get now , they are dreaming, delusional whatever. The crash will come before that anyway...rant over

 

[Geaux4it]

Now, now, now... You folks quit calling it a penalty.

It's a tax

-Geaux

 

[The T]

Now, now, now... You folks quit calling it a penalty.

It's a tax

-Geaux

What is a TAX but a penalty for living your life>? Gubmint has to get their pound of flesh out of it as to allow YOU to exist...

 

[Antares]

Actually the Gov calls the "penalty" a "shared responsibility payment"....I am not kidding you, that is directly out of the Marketplace Training.

 

[Hoffstra]

Tea Party still won't let the House vote on a clean bill.

That's how we know they are responsible for this mess.

 

[longknife]

The GOP is only doing what the people who voted for them wanted. They are truly representing their constituents.

It's the childish Dems who are causing all this - especially The Brat-in-Chief.

 

[Nyvin]

Now, now, now... You folks quit calling it a penalty.

It's a tax

-Geaux

What is a TAX but a penalty for living your life>? Gubmint has to get their pound of flesh out of it as to allow YOU to exist...

It's a collective contribution we agree to submit to a government body to improve the lives of all citizens.

If you don't want to pay any taxes...there's this place called Somalia...