How To Start Real Change

[Unkotare]

Blacks had a couple thousand years to colonize Europe and didn't. Think about this as we continue talking.

I’ll give you this. Just look at Africa. Look at all those individual countries. Whites would have taken over and made it all one United States of africa

No they wouldn't because they didn't.

I’m saying if it were whites in the continent they wouldn’t have been happy to allow 20 different independent sovereign countries. They would have insisted on consolidating and manifest destiny.

Manifest destiny proves your point

Whites were in the continent and did not do it.

I’m surprised South African whites didn’t take over all of Africa it woulda been easy

So stupid....

 

[sealybobo]

I’ll give you this. Just look at Africa. Look at all those individual countries. Whites would have taken over and made it all one United States of africa

No they wouldn't because they didn't.

I’m saying if it were whites in the continent they wouldn’t have been happy to allow 20 different independent sovereign countries. They would have insisted on consolidating and manifest destiny.

Manifest destiny proves your point

Whites were in the continent and did not do it.

I’m surprised South African whites didn’t take over all of Africa it woulda been easy

So stupid....

I wonder why japs and China people didn’t venture out once they discovered fireworks

 

[dave p]

Are you drunk

 

[LOIE]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

 

[LOIE]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

 

[Unkotare]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

FAIL. Part of the problem.

 

[Unkotare]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

You may have the worst case of white guilt ever.

 

[PredFan]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America?

No.

Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I already told you.

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

So?

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with.

And for most of them they only need to look in the mirror.

And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all.

They do, constantly.

I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Bull shit. They do it because division, hate, and animosity are their stock and trade. Without it, they'd have to get a real job and they wouldn't get their faces on TV anymore. It's called the "Race Grievance Industry.​

 

[IM2]

Blacks had a couple thousand years to colonize Europe and didn't. Think about this as we continue talking.

I’ll give you this. Just look at Africa. Look at all those individual countries. Whites would have taken over and made it all one United States of africa

No they wouldn't because they didn't.

I’m saying if it were whites in the continent they wouldn’t have been happy to allow 20 different independent sovereign countries. They would have insisted on consolidating and manifest destiny.

Manifest destiny proves your point

Whites were in the continent and did not do it.

I’m surprised South African whites didn’t take over all of Africa it woulda been easy

They couldn't. Why do you think it would be easy. These whites were outnumbered 7-8 to 1 in South Africa alone and had to divide the blacks in order to keep power. If the whites had decided to start trying to take Africa they would have been wiped out. The blacks in those countries do have armies sealybobo. And they ain't fighting with slingshots.

 

[IM2]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America?

No.

Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I already told you.

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

So?

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with.

And for most of them they only need to look in the mirror.

And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all.

They do, constantly.

I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Bull shit. They do it because division, hate, and animosity are their stock and trade. Without it, they'd have to get a real job and they wouldn't get their faces on TV anymore. It's called the "Race Grievance Industry.​

Whites created and control the race grievance industry.

 

[IM2]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Blacks know somebody like pred fan is a waste of time so they won't talk about race seriously with them. So we limit our talk with them to sport, movies and TV etc., because if we get serious someone like pred fan is going to say something stupid.

 

[PredFan]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America?

No.

Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I already told you.

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

So?

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with.

And for most of them they only need to look in the mirror.

And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all.

They do, constantly.

I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Bull shit. They do it because division, hate, and animosity are their stock and trade. Without it, they'd have to get a real job and they wouldn't get their faces on TV anymore. It's called the "Race Grievance Industry.​

Whites created and control the race grievance industry.

Wow, you made it just in at the end of the day. The stupidest thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

 

[PredFan]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Blacks know somebody like pred fan is a waste of time so they won't talk about race seriously with them. So we limit our talk with them to sport, movies and TV etc., because if we get serious someone like pred fan is going to say something stupid.

Oh, something stupid like: "Whites control the race grievance industry" something stupid like that?

 

[dave p]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Blacks know somebody like pred fan is a waste of time so they won't talk about race seriously with them. So we limit our talk with them to sport, movies and TV etc., because if we get serious someone like pred fan is going to say something stupid.

Oh, something stupid like: "Whites control the race grievance industry" something stupid like that?

Im2 is an idiot of epic proportions. He claims running businesses. Chances are he was a fry cook at Burger King.

 

[dave p]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

Wow are you wrong.

 

[dave p]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

You’re an idiot. You suppose things to support your narrative. Moron!

 

[MizMolly]

Whites mistreating blacks, blacks mistreating Asians , hispanics mistreating whites, vice versa.....pick a group and switch it around. The fact of the matter is that I am only responsible for myself. I have VERY good friends happen to be black that I would gladly lay down my life for that have been with me from the beginning on this journey and have helped guide me on my quest for the truth. They are certainly more aware of this debt slavery system and those behind it than whites because they have been the most hurt by it. Malcolm X is someone I respect tremendously and he knew about the powers behind this system . He was the most intelligent and articulated man of his time and a grave threat to those he spoke out against. He said that he would welcome anyone of any skin tint that wanted to join in the fight. I would have gladly stood by him....he knew.

I understand where you are coming from but you will never sway hearts and minds with anger and there are some that you will never sway because they are either shackled by guilt (which accomplishes nothing constructive) or they are not capable of empathy if the shoe was on the other foot or they are simply yanking your change. I simply know that venting anger and throwing out insults is a waste of time....but it's your cyber dime

Quote the words that depicted "my anger" to you.

BTW, weren't you in full agreement with the open display of anger the Tea Party folks displayed for years during their prominence?

Be honest.

Whites mistreating blacks, blacks mistreating Asians , hispanics mistreating whites, vice versa.....pick a group and switch it around. The fact of the matter is that I am only responsible for myself. I have VERY good friends happen to be black that I would gladly lay down my life for that have been with me from the beginning on this journey and have helped guide me on my quest for the truth. They are certainly more aware of this debt slavery system and those behind it than whites because they have been the most hurt by it. Malcolm X is someone I respect tremendously and he knew about the powers behind this system . He was the most intelligent and articulated man of his time and a grave threat to those he spoke out against. He said that he would welcome anyone of any skin tint that wanted to join in the fight. I would have gladly stood by him....he knew.

I understand where you are coming from but you will never sway hearts and minds with anger and there are some that you will never sway because they are either shackled by guilt (which accomplishes nothing constructive) or they are not capable of empathy if the shoe was on the other foot or they are simply yanking your change. I simply know that venting anger and throwing out insults is a waste of time....but it's your cyber dime

Quote the words that depicted "my anger" to you.

BTW, weren't you in full agreement with the open display of anger the Tea Party folks displayed for years during their prominence?

Be honest.

I haven't gone through the entire thread but you can be very combative at times because you are one of the posters I read here when I see you have written something. I am not saying that you are right or wrong about how you feel or wish to portray your arguments, I am simply saying that those like IM2, Asceclipes (sorry for the spelling) will never sway hearts and minds with angry retorts and insults is all.

And yes, I was part of the Taxed Enough Already Party and we have people of all races that believed that socialism is just another step toward the one world, totalitarian, feudalistic state that has only two classes...the poor and the elites. The tint of Obama's skin had nothing to do with me opposing the socialist agenda that he was being told to push. Obama could have been as white as Larry Bird and I would have felt the same way. I despise the Clintons and Bush crime family as well and they should be tried as traitors along with Obama.

Hearts and minds aren't going to be swayed in places like this were whites think they can insult you then complain about how you are the only one insulting people. That's very insulting when you think about it.

Don't lie to us about how you didn't oppose Obama based on his skin color. Because he was trying to save us from a depression created by the very people the tea party supported. You really don't even know what socialism is. And if you really thought, you'd understand that system based upon the accumulation of capital ends up creating the 2 classes you are saying socialism does.

The tea party had rallies with pictures of Obama with bones in his nose, and other things. It was a racist based movement period. Whites such as yourself need to understand that blacks see, observe and learn just like everyone else. We know racist behavior because we've seen it our entire lives, been taught how it manifests itself by our elders when young. Yet every single time someone black here states something is racist, a white person wants to tell us how it's not so. Well a white person is probably the last person we are going to listen to telling us what's not racist.

A white person knows whether or not they are racist. Virtually everything a white person says on these threads you consider racist if you dont agree with it

 

[MizMolly]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

Who is oppressed now and being forced?

 

[dave p]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

Who is oppressed now and being forced?

No one

 

[Unkotare]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Blacks know somebody like pred fan is a waste of time so they won't talk about race seriously with them. So we limit our talk with them to sport, movies and TV etc., because if we get serious someone like pred fan is going to say something stupid.

Again this clown presumes to speak for all black Americans.