How To Start Real Change

[Unkotare]

Sorry son the right hasn't melted like the left has
did you scream at the moon on the 1 year anniversary of Trump becoming president?

Yes you did. You've cried about civil rights laws for the past 53 years. You've been crying for 5 decades about how you have lost your country. Your meltdown is apparent in the fact you guys are still trying to investigate and imprison Obama for things you are making up.

you are really confused

Nobody's confused but you.

Another brilliant retort from Prime Time.

He lashes out at all white people even liberals, and liberals say nothing to him about it?

Of course not. If they did, someone might call them...you know...

 

[Unkotare]

Whites created and control the race grievance industry.

Yep.

The biggest race grievance huckster, Bill O'Reilly, finally got his ass booted and has been relegated to the far fringes of media.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

As I recall, that was not a race related matter.

 

[Unkotare]

I believe that when it comes to racial issues that we should listen to each other because only through listening instead of knee-jerk reaction can the gap be bridged. I have read some of these threads and have seen both sides slinging shit at each other...neither one bothering to taking the high road and I wanted no part of that. Yeah, I have seen some shit flung by white posters here that have caused me to think less of them but the black posters here haven't exactly endeared themselves for calm and reason and seem to revel in division.

I like MarcATL, I like Asclepias and have had some decent conversations over the last three years with them. The fact of the matter is that we are all indentured debt slaves where our labor was pledged as surety against a debt before we were ever born we are not responsible for and that is a fact. They used the ancient system of "pledging" as a model by monetizing the birth certificate after the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the real money of the people was confiscated in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes of debt. Here is a question I know that you can answer....would you turn over any gold or silver you have for a paper I.O.U unless it was done under the threat of imprisonment? That is exactly what happened to the American people when FDR changed a few things in the "Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917". We are considered "chattel property"...black, white, red, brown, etc, etc. That is what we should be focusing on.

Obama was just like all the other "presidents" before him since the murder of JFK. Every president since has been handpicked by the global elites. Obama did as he was told including the Porkulus package that was put on our credit card bill. He was just a shade darker in skin tint than the prior presidents but a puppet nonetheless but the strings were still easy to see. He did have the advantage of having his minions use his skin tint to deflect criticism. Obama put the NSA on steroids, expanded their power to spy, signed off on the NDAA that gave "da gubermint" the power to include Americans for indefinite detention with no due process that also did away with the Smith-Mundt Act making it legal for this corporate entity to legally lie to us using the media. Obama continued the PNAC plan by continuation of taking out Middle Eastern countries that are not under the control of the same central bankers that control us. Lots of things you don't know because you haven't spent the time I have and I am STILL learning...but I have put a great many pieces of this puzzle together.

Is Trump legit or not? I haven't gotten a good enough read yet either way...but if he wasn't put in by the white hats, basically saying, we will be FUBAR'd.

Whites want to tell us not to be angry about what we have every right to be angry about. If you can't understand why we could be angry then you aren't worth consideration. Whites can be angry about whatever they chose even when it's made up and at no time do thy tell each other that you won't change anybodys hearts and minds by being angry. I was not in support of the Tea Party because what they were angry about they created by their election an support of the republican policies that created the problem. The anti Iraq war protesters were angry and I agreed with them because their anger as justified. We as black have the right to be angry about hat whites keep doing. All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whites. If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump.

Be mad, be angry...I'm white and I am not telling you to not be angry. I think it's wasted energy and wasted emotion because if you want change, you have to be the change you want to see. I don't get mad about things based on the tint of my skin. What I do resent (and especially since I had my epiphany) is this massive corporate entity disguising itself as a governmental body that continues to encroach on our liberties and right to exist on this planet while picking our pockets to do it...that was the reason for the TEA Party movement. People in the TEA Party crossed all racial and political lines. We were pissed about the expense of a bogus war on terror while the southern border remained unsecured, the banker bailout that was put on our tab. Then we had Obama wanting to force a monstrosity of a healthcare bill that was pork-laden with 50K's worth of rules and regulations with more taxes, fees and penalties for those that could not comply. Just because Bush was a POS doesn't give Obama a pass for being a POS.

"All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whitese "

Are you including myself? What have I done to "black people" and be specific. Tell me what magical power that you believe I personally possess that will make your life better? Because honestly? I simply don't have it...wish I did, but I don't. I am interested in what solutions you believe would "right the ship" and be specific. It's easy to complain but complaining isn't going to accomplish anything without a plan.

" If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump."

Could be but perhaps the white hats within the alphabet agencies and the military recruited Trump and made sure that voter fraud could be overcome in order to steer the country off of the proverbial cliff? What gives me pause for thought is how he is being attacked by the deep state lackeys working on behalf of the shadow government. That is what I am hoping for since I need something to hope for because you have NO idea as to how fucked we ALL are if it fails or if Trump is a puppet. Only time will tell but so far, so good.

You don't tell whites it's wasted energy so you will not tell me. And don't even try that silly white "what did I do" bullshit.

You don't tell white? what about liberal whites you may hurt their feelings if you exclude them from your club.

Grow [sic] folk were talking in that conversation.

What kind of seeds do you use to “grow folk,” Prime Time?

 

[MarcATL]

Be mad, be angry...I'm white and I am not telling you to not be angry. I think it's wasted energy and wasted emotion because if you want change, you have to be the change you want to see. I don't get mad about things based on the tint of my skin. What I do resent (and especially since I had my epiphany) is this massive corporate entity disguising itself as a governmental body that continues to encroach on our liberties and right to exist on this planet while picking our pockets to do it...that was the reason for the TEA Party movement. People in the TEA Party crossed all racial and political lines. We were pissed about the expense of a bogus war on terror while the southern border remained unsecured, the banker bailout that was put on our tab. Then we had Obama wanting to force a monstrosity of a healthcare bill that was pork-laden with 50K's worth of rules and regulations with more taxes, fees and penalties for those that could not comply. Just because Bush was a POS doesn't give Obama a pass for being a POS.

...

Its simply not honest to suggest that there were lots of various races in the Tea Party, it was a sea of MOSTLY white people.

And if they were so pissed about the bail out, why did they invest SO MUCH energy (read anger) in screaming "We want out country back!!" instead of PUSHING President Obama to PUNISH the banksters?

To my recollection, every time that the left brought up the idea of punishing the banksters or even suggesting the banksters be punished were met by laughter and derision from Tea Party types.

And you know I'm not lying.

 

[MarcATL]

As I recall, that was not a race related matter.

I never stated, nor suggested it was. I stated that the biggest race huckster was off the air. And good riddance too.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite I see.

 

[Unkotare]

As I recall, that was not a race related matter.

I never stated, nor suggested it was. I stated that the biggest race huckster was off the air. And good riddance too.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite I see.

You most certainly DID suggest it. If you can’t understand what you’re writing, maybe you should stop until you’ve gained a greater facility with the language.

 

[Dale Smith]

Be mad, be angry...I'm white and I am not telling you to not be angry. I think it's wasted energy and wasted emotion because if you want change, you have to be the change you want to see. I don't get mad about things based on the tint of my skin. What I do resent (and especially since I had my epiphany) is this massive corporate entity disguising itself as a governmental body that continues to encroach on our liberties and right to exist on this planet while picking our pockets to do it...that was the reason for the TEA Party movement. People in the TEA Party crossed all racial and political lines. We were pissed about the expense of a bogus war on terror while the southern border remained unsecured, the banker bailout that was put on our tab. Then we had Obama wanting to force a monstrosity of a healthcare bill that was pork-laden with 50K's worth of rules and regulations with more taxes, fees and penalties for those that could not comply. Just because Bush was a POS doesn't give Obama a pass for being a POS.

...

Its simply not honest to suggest that there were lots of various races in the Tea Party, it was a sea of MOSTLY white people.

And if they were so pissed about the bail out, why did they invest SO MUCH energy (read anger) in screaming "We want out country back!!" instead of PUSHING President Obama to PUNISH the banksters?

To my recollection, every time that the left brought up the idea of punishing the banksters or even suggesting the banksters be punished were met by laughter and derision from Tea Party types.

And you know I'm not lying.

All I can tell you is my experience in Dallas...of course the Taxed Enough Already movement was hijacked by neocons that had no intention of trying to reverse the socialist/globalist agenda and expose the criminal institution that is the foreign owned Federal Reserve central bank that "loans" fiat currency from an account that contains nothing of an intrinsic value. Obama was simply carrying water for those before him. I know that you don't want to hear this but it is the truth. Reagan, Clinton, George H Bush, George W Bush and Obama simply did as they were instructed as the figurehead of USA.INC. I am watching Trump and I am waiting on him to be "JFK" like and expose this debt slavery system. He has has given me a few breadcrumbs that he knows....only time will tell.

 

[IM2]

Hearts and minds aren't going to be swayed in places like this were whites think they can insult you then complain about how you are the only one insulting people. That's very insulting when you think about it.

Don't lie to us about how you didn't oppose Obama based on his skin color. Because he was trying to save us from a depression created by the very people the tea party supported. You really don't even know what socialism is. And if you really thought, you'd understand that system based upon the accumulation of capital ends up creating the 2 classes you are saying socialism does.

The tea party had rallies with pictures of Obama with bones in his nose, and other things. It was a racist based movement period. Whites such as yourself need to understand that blacks see, observe and learn just like everyone else. We know racist behavior because we've seen it our entire lives, been taught how it manifests itself by our elders when young. Yet every single time someone black here states something is racist, a white person wants to tell us how it's not so. Well a white person is probably the last person we are going to listen to telling us what's not racist.

I believe that when it comes to racial issues that we should listen to each other because only through listening instead of knee-jerk reaction can the gap be bridged. I have read some of these threads and have seen both sides slinging shit at each other...neither one bothering to taking the high road and I wanted no part of that. Yeah, I have seen some shit flung by white posters here that have caused me to think less of them but the black posters here haven't exactly endeared themselves for calm and reason and seem to revel in division.

I like MarcATL, I like Asclepias and have had some decent conversations over the last three years with them. The fact of the matter is that we are all indentured debt slaves where our labor was pledged as surety against a debt before we were ever born we are not responsible for and that is a fact. They used the ancient system of "pledging" as a model by monetizing the birth certificate after the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the real money of the people was confiscated in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes of debt. Here is a question I know that you can answer....would you turn over any gold or silver you have for a paper I.O.U unless it was done under the threat of imprisonment? That is exactly what happened to the American people when FDR changed a few things in the "Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917". We are considered "chattel property"...black, white, red, brown, etc, etc. That is what we should be focusing on.

Obama was just like all the other "presidents" before him since the murder of JFK. Every president since has been handpicked by the global elites. Obama did as he was told including the Porkulus package that was put on our credit card bill. He was just a shade darker in skin tint than the prior presidents but a puppet nonetheless but the strings were still easy to see. He did have the advantage of having his minions use his skin tint to deflect criticism. Obama put the NSA on steroids, expanded their power to spy, signed off on the NDAA that gave "da gubermint" the power to include Americans for indefinite detention with no due process that also did away with the Smith-Mundt Act making it legal for this corporate entity to legally lie to us using the media. Obama continued the PNAC plan by continuation of taking out Middle Eastern countries that are not under the control of the same central bankers that control us. Lots of things you don't know because you haven't spent the time I have and I am STILL learning...but I have put a great many pieces of this puzzle together.

Is Trump legit or not? I haven't gotten a good enough read yet either way...but if he wasn't put in by the white hats, basically saying, we will be FUBAR'd.

Whites want to tell us not to be angry about what we have every right to be angry about. If you can't understand why we could be angry then you aren't worth consideration. Whites can be angry about whatever they chose even when it's made up and at no time do thy tell each other that you won't change anybodys hearts and minds by being angry. I was not in support of the Tea Party because what they were angry about they created by their election an support of the republican policies that created the problem. The anti Iraq war protesters were angry and I agreed with them because their anger as justified. We as black have the right to be angry about hat whites keep doing. All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whites. If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump.

Be mad, be angry...I'm white and I am not telling you to not be angry. I think it's wasted energy and wasted emotion because if you want change, you have to be the change you want to see. I don't get mad about things based on the tint of my skin. What I do resent (and especially since I had my epiphany) is this massive corporate entity disguising itself as a governmental body that continues to encroach on our liberties and right to exist on this planet while picking our pockets to do it...that was the reason for the TEA Party movement. People in the TEA Party crossed all racial and political lines. We were pissed about the expense of a bogus war on terror while the southern border remained unsecured, the banker bailout that was put on our tab. Then we had Obama wanting to force a monstrosity of a healthcare bill that was pork-laden with 50K's worth of rules and regulations with more taxes, fees and penalties for those that could not comply. Just because Bush was a POS doesn't give Obama a pass for being a POS.

"All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whitese "

Are you including myself? What have I done to "black people" and be specific. Tell me what magical power that you believe I personally possess that will make your life better? Because honestly? I simply don't have it...wish I did, but I don't. I am interested in what solutions you believe would "right the ship" and be specific. It's easy to complain but complaining isn't going to accomplish anything without a plan.

" If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump."

Could be but perhaps the white hats within the alphabet agencies and the military recruited Trump and made sure that voter fraud could be overcome in order to steer the country off of the proverbial cliff? What gives me pause for thought is how he is being attacked by the deep state lackeys working on behalf of the shadow government. That is what I am hoping for since I need something to hope for because you have NO idea as to how fucked we ALL are if it fails or if Trump is a puppet. Only time will tell but so far, so good.

You don't tell whites it's wasted energy so you will not tell me. And don't even try that silly white "what did I do" bullshit.

Is that the best that you can come back with after my very detailed reply? That's a very sad indictment and proof that you are not here to discuss this issue but simply rant and rave. You are not part of the answer to the problem but simply part of the symptom that is the "divide and conquer" agenda. Communication is the key but it takes two that are willing to listen. I have been very open to what you have had to say but you haven't reciprocated in kind.

I still wish you well..........

Wrong. I gave you a short concise answer. Because you don't say the same things to whites and I'm tired of the double standard.

 

[IM2]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America?

No.

Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I already told you.

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

So?

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with.

And for most of them they only need to look in the mirror.

And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all.

They do, constantly.

I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Bull shit. They do it because division, hate, and animosity are their stock and trade. Without it, they'd have to get a real job and they wouldn't get their faces on TV anymore. It's called the "Race Grievance Industry.​

Whites created and control the race grievance industry.

Wow, you made it just in at the end of the day. The stupidest thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

Too bad for you it's true.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Whites want to tell us not to be angry about what we have every right to be angry about. If you can't understand why we could be angry then you aren't worth consideration. Whites can be angry about whatever they chose even when it's made up and at no time do thy tell each other that you won't change anybodys hearts and minds by being angry. I was not in support of the Tea Party because what they were angry about they created by their election an support of the republican policies that created the problem. The anti Iraq war protesters were angry and I agreed with them because their anger as justified. We as black have the right to be angry about hat whites keep doing. All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whites. If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump.

Be mad, be angry...I'm white and I am not telling you to not be angry. I think it's wasted energy and wasted emotion because if you want change, you have to be the change you want to see. I don't get mad about things based on the tint of my skin. What I do resent (and especially since I had my epiphany) is this massive corporate entity disguising itself as a governmental body that continues to encroach on our liberties and right to exist on this planet while picking our pockets to do it...that was the reason for the TEA Party movement. People in the TEA Party crossed all racial and political lines. We were pissed about the expense of a bogus war on terror while the southern border remained unsecured, the banker bailout that was put on our tab. Then we had Obama wanting to force a monstrosity of a healthcare bill that was pork-laden with 50K's worth of rules and regulations with more taxes, fees and penalties for those that could not comply. Just because Bush was a POS doesn't give Obama a pass for being a POS.

"All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whitese "

Are you including myself? What have I done to "black people" and be specific. Tell me what magical power that you believe I personally possess that will make your life better? Because honestly? I simply don't have it...wish I did, but I don't. I am interested in what solutions you believe would "right the ship" and be specific. It's easy to complain but complaining isn't going to accomplish anything without a plan.

" If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump."

Could be but perhaps the white hats within the alphabet agencies and the military recruited Trump and made sure that voter fraud could be overcome in order to steer the country off of the proverbial cliff? What gives me pause for thought is how he is being attacked by the deep state lackeys working on behalf of the shadow government. That is what I am hoping for since I need something to hope for because you have NO idea as to how fucked we ALL are if it fails or if Trump is a puppet. Only time will tell but so far, so good.

You don't tell whites it's wasted energy so you will not tell me. And don't even try that silly white "what did I do" bullshit.

You don't tell white? what about liberal whites you may hurt their feelings if you exclude them from your club.

Grow [sic] folk were talking in that conversation.

What kind of seeds do you use to “grow folk,” Prime Time?

I didn't have the heart I was going to let that one slide lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes you did. You've cried about civil rights laws for the past 53 years. You've been crying for 5 decades about how you have lost your country. Your meltdown is apparent in the fact you guys are still trying to investigate and imprison Obama for things you are making up.

you are really confused

Nobody's confused but you.

Another brilliant retort from Prime Time.

He lashes out at all white people even liberals, and liberals say nothing to him about it?

Of course not. If they did, someone might call them...you know...

I'm sorry I spoke out of turn lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America?

No.

Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I already told you.

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

So?

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with.

And for most of them they only need to look in the mirror.

And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all.

They do, constantly.

I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Bull shit. They do it because division, hate, and animosity are their stock and trade. Without it, they'd have to get a real job and they wouldn't get their faces on TV anymore. It's called the "Race Grievance Industry.​

Whites created and control the race grievance industry.

Wow, you made it just in at the end of the day. The stupidest thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

Too bad for you it's true.

Crack is whack

 

[PredFan]

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America?

No.

Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I already told you.

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

So?

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with.

And for most of them they only need to look in the mirror.

And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all.

They do, constantly.

I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

Bull shit. They do it because division, hate, and animosity are their stock and trade. Without it, they'd have to get a real job and they wouldn't get their faces on TV anymore. It's called the "Race Grievance Industry.​

Whites created and control the race grievance industry.

Wow, you made it just in at the end of the day. The stupidest thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

Too bad for you it's true.

Trying to win today too? It’s early but that will be hard to top. Good luck.

 

[MarcATL]

You most certainly DID suggest it. If you can’t understand what you’re writing, maybe you should stop until you’ve gained a greater facility with the language.

What ELSE hast thine crystal ball revealed to thee, ye great and mighty Svengali?

 

[Unkotare]

You most certainly DID suggest it. If you can’t understand what you’re writing, maybe you should stop until you’ve gained a greater facility with the language.

What ELSE hast thine crystal ball revealed to thee, ye great and mighty Svengali?

Don’t use language you don’t understand and it won’t hurt you.