How to keep some humans alive from a few people that WANTED to kill them...

[Kilroy2]

Now from your frequent comments I assume you believe in "science"


The 21 grams experiment refers to a study published in 1907 by Duncan MacDougall, a physician from Haverhill, Massachusetts. MacDougall hypothesized that souls have physical weight, and attempted to measure the mass lost by a human when the soul departed the body. MacDougall attempted to measure the mass change of six patients at the moment of death. One of the six subjects lost three-quarters of an ounce (21.3 grams).
Songs entitled "21 Grams" which reference the weight of a soul have been released by Looptroop Rockers (2005), Niykee Heaton (2015),[18] Fedez (2015), August Burns Red (2015), Thundamentals (2017) and Arena (2022).

21 grams experiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So only one of the six patients showed this change.

the measurement is equal to 3/4 of a tablespoon.

So this is proof of what?

done over a century ago.

Still when close to death the body may do a lot of movement, also constipation, bowel movements , the death rattle etc. which could also explain it.

Probably is different for everyone.

also air has weight and mass.

Still if the soul can escape physical body it would suggest that it has no weight.

12 Signs That Someone Is Near Death

Recognize end-of-life signs, including pain, decreased appetite, breathing problems, constipation, and bowel movement changes, so you can help a loved one cope.

www.verywellhealth.com

 

[Dragonlady]

AND so the "health of the woman" is not an issue according to your examples?
FACTS: pregnancy loss can occur before a person even knows that they are pregnant.
After an ultrasound detects a healthy heartbeat, the chance of pregnancy loss is significantly lower.
If a person knows about the pregnancy, the chance of loss is about 15%.
In the United States, a miscarriage describes the loss of a fetus that occurs before 20 weeks of gestation.
A stillbirth is a pregnancy loss that happens any time after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Miscarriage rates by week

The chance of a miscarriage, or a pregnancy loss, decreases after the first trimester. In this article, learn more about average miscarriage rates by week.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The miscarriage rate for women ages 20 to 30 years old is 9 to 17%; for womenages 31 to 35, it's 20%. At age 40, the miscarriage rate is 40%, and on average, 80% of pregnancies in women ages 40 and older will end in miscarriage.

How Common Is Miscarriage?

Miscarriage is often hidden, but it happens more often than you might think.

www.healthgrades.com

AND again though understandably you are personalizing the issue.
The issue is NOT the health of the mother... it is OK
Not the rape of the mother... not part of the equation.
The issue is women getting pregnant AGAIN after having an abortion because they were sexually motivated before they had protection. Are you the type of woman that would have casual sex without any protection?
That's irresponsible and you probably have had more than one abortion! YOU would be IRRESPONSIBLE!

How is a poor woman's health impacted if she is forced to give birth to a child she couldn't afford? It's not just the health of the woman, but that of her infant, and her other children. It turns out, that forcing the woman to have the child, isn't good for ANY of them.

What Happens to Women Who Are Denied Abortions? (Published 2013)

A study that explores abortion’s impact by looking at women who get to the clinic too late.

www.nytimes.com

 

[healthmyths]

So only one of the six patients showed this change.

the measurement is equal to 3/4 of a tablespoon.

So this is proof of what?

done over a century ago.

Still when close to death the body may do a lot of movement, also constipation, bowel movements , the death rattle etc. which could also explain it.

Probably is different for everyone.

also air has weight and mass.

Still if the soul can escape physical body it would suggest that it has no weight.

12 Signs That Someone Is Near Death

Recognize end-of-life signs, including pain, decreased appetite, breathing problems, constipation, and bowel movement changes, so you can help a loved one cope.

www.verywellhealth.com

Don't disagree with any of your observations. But the point is life has a point of beginning.
That's what the video shows.

 

[Kilroy2]

It's called the Socratic method. Ever hear of it?

I presume so. Unlike you, I do not mock other people's religious beliefs.

Well despite religious beliefs, I do have a computer.

So it just a debate method where questions are asked and argumentative dialogue. Nothing new or that I was unaware of.

Why would I mock religious beliefs? Isn't that your interpretation in order for you to provide an answer. The good thing about religious beliefs is that people can have different religious beliefs.

Do you agree?

 

[healthmyths]

How is a poor woman's health impacted if she is forced to give birth to a child she couldn't afford? It's not just the health of the woman, but that of her infant, and her other children. It turns out, that forcing the woman to have the child, isn't good for ANY of them.

What Happens to Women Who Are Denied Abortions? (Published 2013)

A study that explores abortion’s impact by looking at women who get to the clinic too late.

www.nytimes.com

But why did she have sex in the first place? She must pay the penalty of her irresponsibility NOT the life of a human!
AGAIN you keep commenting ON ALL abortions and MY simple point is and I'll repeat it again and again!!!
Abortion legal in case of
1) Health of mother at risk
2) Rape
3) First Abortion.

BUT if the abortionist i.e. Planned Parenthood DOESN"T educate, monitor the woman and the woman irresponsibly gets pregnant again... Planned Parenthood i.e. abortionist, must PAY to the state a penalty. Put the human up for adoption.
BUT NOT kill one more human being. AGAIN REMEMBER my point is 60% of abortions are by totally irresponsible women who's health or weren't raped, are causing the nearly 600,000 abortions per year by women who've had an abortion before.

 

[mamooth]

But why did she have sex in the first place? She must pay the penalty of her irresponsibility NOT the life of a human!

^^^
Weird and creepy punishment freak.

 

[Kilroy2]

The only argument is choice. Some want to choose for others. Yet one can only choose for himself or herself.

If another country attacks a country. The choice is to fight for one's country or not. One's religious beliefs can sway the person on what they will do.

The Holy wars was a war based on religious beliefs.?

The arab/Israeli conflict is based on religion.

A country based on religious beliefs drop an atomic bomb on people. "In God we trust"

The war is over

 

[jwoodie]

Why would I mock religious beliefs? Isn't that your interpretation in order for you to provide an answer.

That was my interpretation of your statement, which seemed to mock a belief in human souls by insincerely concluding that physical life should not be important to people with this belief:

How about this does a fetus have a soul, if yes then it should automatically go to heaven.

If that was not your intention, I retract my inference.

 

[MarcATL]

Hey... I truly don't care what the style of sex which is what you are accusing me of!
I'm simply pointing out the woman and man having UNPROTECTED sex especially when she's already had an abortion are the issue that most people like you have no problem with!
What it comes down to is reality that 38 million babies killed by women who previously killed babies, i.e. had an abortion and these women should be more responsible. I know your answer but share your opinion... If a woman car driver had driven careless the first time killing a person... ok that's an accident... but if she drove a car killing another person the judge declares careless, reckless and will sentence the woman.
So my question... what's the difference between the woman driver and the woman having her 2nd abortion?

So you support arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning women for having abortions?

 

[healthmyths]

So you support arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning women for having abortions?

NO you are doing what most ignorant people do!
A) I'm in favor of abortion for Health of the mother
B) I'm in favor if the pregnancy was due to rape or incest.
C) I'm in favor if this was the first time abortion.
What I think is logical and appropriate is with the training, etc. for the first abortion IF IF a woman is so
dumb as to ignore all the precautions to keep from pregnancy including controlling her sex drive and she
has a pregnancy she needs to pay a price.
Community service, etc. but with 60% of abortions done by women who've had a previous abortion there is NO
EXCUSES! Just totally irresponsible! Taking a human life because you couldn't control your body? Unacceptable!

 

[Leo123]

What happened to some women? They seem to have become heartless killers of their own offspring.

 

[Leo123]

So you support arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning women for having abortions?

Those women who have abortions for only convenience sake, will live to regret it unless they are psychopaths, time will tell. Men should never date or marry a woman who has such a disregard for human life.

 

[Moonglow]

And nobody thinks EJ Carroll was raped.

 

[DukeU]

OP, if you visited a farmer's market, bought a dozen fresh eggs and took them home and put them in your refrigerator would you then say you bought a dozen chickens and put them in your refrigerator?"

Why is it illegal to destroy an Eagle's egg?

 

[Dragonlady]

AND so the "health of the woman" is not an issue according to your examples?
FACTS: pregnancy loss can occur before a person even knows that they are pregnant.
After an ultrasound detects a healthy heartbeat, the chance of pregnancy loss is significantly lower.
If a person knows about the pregnancy, the chance of loss is about 15%.
In the United States, a miscarriage describes the loss of a fetus that occurs before 20 weeks of gestation.
A stillbirth is a pregnancy loss that happens any time after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Miscarriage rates by week

The chance of a miscarriage, or a pregnancy loss, decreases after the first trimester. In this article, learn more about average miscarriage rates by week.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The miscarriage rate for women ages 20 to 30 years old is 9 to 17%; for womenages 31 to 35, it's 20%. At age 40, the miscarriage rate is 40%, and on average, 80% of pregnancies in women ages 40 and older will end in miscarriage.

How Common Is Miscarriage?

Miscarriage is often hidden, but it happens more often than you might think.

www.healthgrades.com

AND again though understandably you are personalizing the issue.
The issue is NOT the health of the mother... it is OK
Not the rape of the mother... not part of the equation.
The issue is women getting pregnant AGAIN after having an abortion because they were sexually motivated before they had protection. Are you the type of woman that would have casual sex without any protection?
That's irresponsible and you probably have had more than one abortion! YOU would be IRRESPONSIBLE!

Imagine having YOU mansplain the complication of pregnancy to a woman who has been pregnant 5 times and had 2 miscarriages.

20% of all miscarriages occur in the second trimester you dolt. That’s approximately 200,000 miscarriages per year. Those are the women who are bleeding out in bathrooms and dying without care.

200,000 more are stillborn. These are the “late term abortions” you want to ban.

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BEING PREGNANT AND YOU NEVER WILL.

 

[Dragonlady]

And nobody thinks EJ Carroll was raped.

Still parroting the lies and the hate are you Hollie? Supporting a liar, a rapist and a thief?

Actually, everyone knows it happened because Trump confessed to it multiple times.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[sapphiregirl]

Your post shows your total indifference to the plight of low income people, with few resources and no labour protections at all. As soon as her boss finds out she's pregnant, she'll be fired, because he doesn't want to deal with light work loads etc.

According to Guttmacher 75% of abortions that are given to women who are living below or just above the poverty line. 60% of the women getting an abortion are married or in a committed relationship, and already have one or more children. And half of all women who get abortions were using birth control when they got pregnant.

Last but not least 41% of ALL pregnancies in the USA are unintended. Kinda puts the lie to Republican assertions that it's easy to prevent pregnancy.

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/factsheet/fb-unintended-pregnancy-us_0_4.pdf

Unintended Pregnancy

Overview of what CDC is doing to increase equitable access to contraception and useful resources.

www.cdc.gov

Other first world countries have job protections for pregnant women, and paid maternity leave for new mothers. The richest nation in the world has neither. But you're really quick to call such people "irresponsible" if they have more children than they can reasonably afford. They have half the number of abortions compared to the USA.

Abortion is not a moral issue, it's an economic issue, and if the USA really wanted to reduce abortions, they'd pass universal health care, paid maternity leave, job protections for pregnant women, and a universal child tax credit.



.

Exactly. So this whole "choice" and "life of the mother" and "rape" talk is oversold and disingenuous.

 

[sapphiregirl]

It's not your business.

Shall I rob you?

 

[healthmyths]

Imagine having YOU mansplain the complication of pregnancy to a woman who has been pregnant 5 times and had 2 miscarriages.

20% of all miscarriages occur in the second trimester you dolt. That’s approximately 200,000 miscarriages per year. Those are the women who are bleeding out in bathrooms and dying without care.

200,000 more are stillborn. These are the “late term abortions” you want to ban.

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BEING PREGNANT AND YOU NEVER WILL.

AND NOT one of my comments discussed "MISCARRIAGES!" as it is considered the "health of the woman".
I am very specific and obviously you totally ignore this number:
In 2023 To be precise, researchers estimate there were 1,026,700 abortions in 2023. "That's the highest number in over a decade, [and] the first time there have been over a million abortions provided in ...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/19/1238293143/abortion-data-how-many-us-2023

• 57% of U.S. women who had induced abortions in 2021, it was the first time they had ever had one,
• For nearly a quarter (24%), it was their second abortion.
• For 11% of women who had an abortion that year, it was their third, and
• for 8% it was their fourth or more.

These CDC figures include data from 41 states and New York City, but not the rest of New York.

What the data says about abortion in the U.S.

The U.S. abortion rate has generally declined since the 1980s, but there have been slight upticks in the late 2010s and early 2020s.

www.pewresearch.org

43% is the number I'm concerned about, i.e. one or more abortions. WHY are we not punishing women who are so irresponsible to have unprotected sex. Totally irresponsibility!

 

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