Zone1 How much of what you defend is just fear of collapse?

[frigidweirdo]

Our purpose is to love and to be loved. We are here for two things: To learn and to have fun. (Both centered around love)

It's not that I think individuals use God for his/her own individual purpose. It's more like someone needs a ready-made group--and those who love and have faith in God are a ready-made group. For example, people will risk their lives for God, but not so much for a person who is simply using both God and them to attain power and wealth.

I disagree, mostly because if you go back 4,000 years, would it still be the same? The Bible didn't seem to think so.

And what is "love", we can barely define it ourselves.

Definition of LOVE

strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties; attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers —often used before another noun; affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

9 different versions of "love" in this dictionary, okay, we can discount the tennis one, but when someone says "I love you", what do they mean? Often people just lie, say it automatically because it's what's expected.

And when you die, do you get a "love score"? Probably not. At the end of the day we're biological beings made up of energy who go from conception to death and then all our atoms start leaving us.

Sure, a church can be a good social network, especially in the modern era. But this is humans coming together, rather than God doing anything.

I'd say people risk their lives for people who manipulate them well enough, like those who join the armed forces and go to war, most of them have a different mindset than those who would refuse.

 

[Meriweather]

I disagree, mostly because if you go back 4,000 years, would it still be the same? The Bible didn't seem to think so.

And what is "love", we can barely define it ourselves.

Definition of LOVE

strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties; attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers —often used before another noun; affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

9 different versions of "love" in this dictionary, okay, we can discount the tennis one, but when someone says "I love you", what do they mean? Often people just lie, say it automatically because it's what's expected.

And when you die, do you get a "love score"? Probably not. At the end of the day we're biological beings made up of energy who go from conception to death and then all our atoms start leaving us.

Sure, a church can be a good social network, especially in the modern era. But this is humans coming together, rather than God doing anything.

I'd say people risk their lives for people who manipulate them well enough, like those who join the armed forces and go to war, most of them have a different mindset than those who would refuse.

Love is wanting and working towards the good of the other. Church is not just about worshiping together. Many churches have ministries--everything from tending children to visiting, working with the elderly. Worship also prepares and shapes us to love and serve those we meet up with in daily life. We are here to love and serve God and one another. This is the eternal kingdom of God which begins in the here and now and extends into the afterlife.

 

[ding]

Many people don’t defend their beliefs because they’re true. They defend them because if they didn’t, their whole sense of self would collapse. That’s not conviction. That’s psychological survival mode.

If you’ve never asked what it would cost you to be wrong, then maybe you’re not defending a truth. You’re defending identity. Can you imagine holding the opposite view without feeling existential panic? If not, that panic is where your real belief lives.

Many people say “I believe this because it’s right.” when in reality it's “I believe this because I don’t know who I’d be without it.”

That’s captivity.

Evil Morty would disagree.

 

[Anomalism]

Evil Morty would disagree.

How so? Lol

For what it's worth, I don't directly identify with evil Morty, other than feeling like a stranger in a sea of people.

 

[ding]

How so? Lol

For what it's worth, I don't directly identify with evil Morty, other than feeling like a stranger in a sea of people.

Evil Morty see things as they are and not how he wants them to be. He has no need of making rationalizations because that’s what people who are subjective need to do.

 

[Failzero]

Marxists & their useful idiots of all stripes are pushin for a collapse .

 

[ding]

Many people don’t defend their beliefs because they’re true. They defend them because if they didn’t, their whole sense of self would collapse. That’s not conviction. That’s psychological survival mode.

If you’ve never asked what it would cost you to be wrong, then maybe you’re not defending a truth. You’re defending identity. Can you imagine holding the opposite view without feeling existential panic? If not, that panic is where your real belief lives.

Many people say “I believe this because it’s right.” when in reality it's “I believe this because I don’t know who I’d be without it.”

That’s captivity.

My take on this is that people believe what they believe not so much because what they believe is true but because they don’t believe they can ever be wrong about anything.

 

[Anomalism]

Evil Morty see things as they are and not how he wants them to be. He has no need of making rationalizations because that’s what people who are subjective need to do.

It’s not about seeing him as some objective truth-seer. That interpretation risks turning him into just another rationalized symbol. What I related to isn't his ideology or sense of superiority, it was the feeling of being alien in a world where everyone else seems to be looking in another direction.

Evil Morty is disillusioned with systems. With the status quo.

 

[ding]

It’s not about seeing him as some objective truth-seer. That interpretation risks turning him into just another rationalized symbol. What I related to isn't his ideology or sense of superiority, it was the feeling of being alien in a world where everyone else seems to be looking in another direction.

Evil Morty is disillusioned with systems. With the status quo.

That’s because he’s objective. If one is objective one will see things as they are.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Love is wanting and working towards the good of the other. Church is not just about worshiping together. Many churches have ministries--everything from tending children to visiting, working with the elderly. Worship also prepares and shapes us to love and serve those we meet up with in daily life. We are here to love and serve God and one another. This is the eternal kingdom of God which begins in the here and now and extends into the afterlife.

Not really. When a baby loves its mother, is it working towards the good of the other? No

 

[ding]

Not really. When a baby loves its mother, is it working towards the good of the other? No

Do you usually try to define rules through exceptions? But to your point, are you discounting the mother child bond that occurs very early on?

 

[Meriweather]

Not really. When a baby loves its mother, is it working towards the good of the other? No

Ever have a baby smile or giggle at you? It can brighten up an entire day. Does the baby need to know it brought good to the mother? Hard to predict. Yet, maybe s/he does know due to Mom's reaction.

 

[Grumblenuts]

As far back as 1772, Baron d'Holbach said that "All children are born Atheists; they have no idea of God."

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ever have a baby smile or giggle at you? It can brighten up an entire day. Does the baby need to know it brought good to the mother? Hard to predict. Yet, maybe s/he does know due to Mom's reaction.

Humans are emotional beings. We feel good for this, and it's a biological thing. We know this. Cats purr when they're happy. Other animals might do things we don't notice when they're happy.

Our bodies encourage us to have sex because they bribe is with a positive feeling which is induced through drugs flowing through our bodies.

If God is love, does that mean drugs are love?