How much of the Mix can Renewables be?

[ding]

What do you need to know about your 2 totally different questions?

If you can’t figure out that making money and generating profits are the same thing, then I’m not interested in any answer you could provide.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All electricity that is converted into kinetic energy and potential energy.

What percentage does not get converted into heat? Post a study or a link.

 

[ding]

What percentage does not get converted into heat? Post a study or a link.

You are funny.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you can’t figure out that making money and generating profits are the same thing, then I’m not interested in any answer you could provide.

If you can't see that the first question didn't mention money or profit, you
are drinking too much.

 

[ding]

If you can't see that the first question didn't mention money or profit, you
are drinking too much.

That’s nice.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are funny.

Not as funny as your FLoT denying claims.

 

[ding]

Not as funny as your FLoT denying claims.

Again…. A study was conducted at six solar farms comparing the infrared radiation before and after PV cells were installed. The study found that infrared radiation was less after PV panels were installed. The study found that the incremental cooling occurred during daytime hours when the PV cells were generating electricity. The study found that nighttime temperatures were similar. The study concluded that the cause of the incrementally cooler daytime temperatures was because solar radiation was being converted into electricity.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...farm_deployment_on_surface_longwave_radiation

A different study modeled the potential climate impact of solar farms. Their model predicted a regional cooling effect should occur at solar farms. The authors of this study also concluded that any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation which cannot heat the surface of the planet.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283975603_Impact_of_solar_panels_on_global_climate

Electricity usage which is converted into kinetic energy and potential energy does not produce heat and must be subtracted from the total and only the friction created from doing that work produced heat. Furthermore what heat that is created from electricity usage doesn’t heat the surface of the planet. It heats the surrounding air. And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do which strikes the surface of the planet. Waste heat from electricity usage radiates in all directions. So a good portion of that heat does not heat the surface of the planet.

And lastly even if waste heat from electricity usage heated the surface in exactly the same way as photons do that there would still be an incremental cooling effect because the waste heat is the same in both cases. Replacing fossil fuels with solar does not increase the amount of waste heat generated. But the generation of electricity effectively reduces the incoming solar radiation by converting photons into electricity that would have otherwise produced heat.

 

[Woodznutz]

A large portion of electricity usage is used to perform work and the amount of energy used to perform that work must be subtracted from the total and that only the friction created from doing that work created heat. Furthermore what heat that is created from electricity usage doesn’t heat the surface of the planet. It heats the surrounding air. And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do which strikes the surface of the planet. Waste heat from electricity usage radiates in all directions. So a good portion of that heat does not heat the surface of the planet.

But much of the heat that falls on the earth's surface is radiated back into the atmosphere, thus heating the 'surrounding air'. Also, much of the light/heat that falls onto the collectors is also radiated back into the atmosphere. The upside is that solar energy doesn't produce co2.

 

[ding]

But much of the heat that falls on the earth's surface is radiated back into the atmosphere, thus heating the 'surrounding air'.

Correct but converting solar radiation into electricity reduces the solar radiation warming the surface of the planet and reduces the back radiation you are talking about. In fact it was the reduced back radiation the satellites measured at six solar farms which led to their conclusion that converting photons into electricity caused the incremental cooling effect at six solar farms.

 

[ding]

The upside is that solar energy doesn't produce co2.

I don’t believe CO2 is the problem some people think it is.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I don’t believe CO2 is the problem some people think it is.

That's nice.

 

[ding]

That's nice.

Sometimes

 

[abu afak]

abu afak: 50-80% looks very possible to me.

Toddster: Only if we have 50% to 80% nuclear.

Looks like we are headed/Already there in some states (and increasing) with No more nuclear.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Looks like we are headed/Already there in some states (and increasing) with No more nuclear.

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Without more nuclear and natural gas, we'll see California's rolling blackouts
spreading to more states.

 

[abu afak]

Without more nuclear and natural gas, we'll see California's rolling blackouts
spreading to more states.

That's odd because we Haven't seen it spread to the big percent Wind states mentioned recently (Iowa, South Dakota, Oklahoma, etc,) as they've approached and gone over 50% Wind!
How come?

California's (you were forced to strawman) problems are incompetence from Govt to providers. The main electric utility co etc.
Ironically too, it was the Excess W!nds that caused the biggest problem/fires for PP&L.

I fully expect 100:1 your usual Trolling-from-mental-institution wisecrack but no meat in reply... again... but I want the bump back up.
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[Grumblenuts]

Pacific Gas and Electric Company - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Went bankrupt, but it apparently ain't dead yet.

 

[sparky]

Was Emperor Biden’s Electric Vehicle Decree Concocted by Leprechauns? (dailysignal.com)

 

[abu afak]

Was Emperor Biden’s Electric Vehicle Decree Concocted by Leprechauns? (dailysignal.com)

The suggetson/challenge was:
""You are welcome to discuss to what degree/percent you think renewables will be viable.
Most RWers don't even want to acknowledge any.""

But you didn't
You didn't say a G-D word.
It Was a RW basher from RW DailySignal who is owned by RW Heritage-org...
and the title was Not encouraging ""Emperor Biden..."

And even before he took office this country was basically going 85% Renewable on new power gen.
Increasing from 2016's 2/3 to 1991's 85%.
And it's still Booming.

Iowa is 63% Renewable, mostly Wind. S Dakota 55%, Oklahoma 45%.
The biggest adder of Renewables in 1991 was OIL-TEXAS adding 3x what California did.
ALL RED STATES.
Because it's Cheaper and loved especially in the Midwest Plains/Farm states as they get 3k-12K per turbine.

What an epic disaster, as I suppose it had to be considering your other posts in the section.
Not a Word.

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[sparky]

"You are welcome to discuss to what degree/percent you think renewables will be viable.

As much as the tax payer would like to subsidize , only to find they're holding the bag on a sisyphean goal that wont really do what they're being told it will

You didn't say a G-D word.

I opted for well written commentary , which you've played the 'shoot the messenger' card against.

But if you want MY opinion , Big Green is globalism cloaked in the guise of salvation.

There is no issue that comes close to the mis-info , propaganda , collusion or Congressional clown show

Epic disaster indeed......

~S~

 

[Crick]

As much as the tax payer would like to subsidize , only to find they're holding the bag on a sisyphean goal that wont really do what they're being told it will

I opted for well written commentary , which you've played the 'shoot the messenger' card against.

But if you want MY opinion , Big Green is globalism cloaked in the guise of salvation.

There is no issue that comes close to the mis-info , propaganda , collusion or Congressional clown show

Epic disaster indeed......

~S~

Do you believe published climate science and the assessment reports of the IPCC to be a "clown show"?