How much of the Mix can Renewables be?

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Solving problems is the best way to make a profit.

Is it better than solving problems that don’t exist?

 

[Calypso Jones]

I can’t think of a better way to usher in the next glacial cycle other than the widespread use of solar which converts solar radiation - which would have produced heat on the earth’s surface - into electricity.

It will only take 1% of the earth’s landmass surface area being covered with solar panels to change the earth’s energy budget from net warming to net cooling.

That's ridiculous. that can't and won't happen. well...it may very well happen if the left gets its way but it will only further compromise life on earth.

 

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That's ridiculous. that can't and won't happen. well...it may very well happen if the left gets its way but it will only further compromise life on earth.

I agree it’s ridiculous. Widespread use of solar power is a bad idea.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is it better than solving problems that don’t exist?

When liberals solve problems that don't exist, they cause real problems.

 

[Calypso Jones]

I couldn't tell which way you were going for a moment. Good to see you recognize the scam.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I agree it’s ridiculous. Widespread use of solar power is a bad idea.

And it warms the planet.

 

[ding]

When liberals solve problems that don't exist, they cause real problems.

Built the question was which one is better at making money; solving a problem that doesn’t exist or solving a problem that does exist.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Built the question was which one is better at making money; solving a problem that doesn’t exist or solving a problem that does exist.

Where was that question asked?

Link?

 

[ding]

And it warms the planet.

A study was conducted at six solar farms comparing the infrared radiation before and after PV cells were installed. The study found that infrared radiation was less after PV panels were installed. The study found that the incremental cooling occurred during daytime hours when the PV cells were generating electricity. The study found that nighttime temperatures were similar. The study concluded that the cause of the incrementally cooler daytime temperatures was because solar radiation was being converted into electricity.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...farm_deployment_on_surface_longwave_radiation

A different study modeled the potential climate impact of solar farms. Their model predicted a regional cooling effect should occur at solar farms. The authors of this study also concluded that any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation which cannot heat the surface of the planet.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283975603_Impact_of_solar_panels_on_global_climate

 

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Where was that question asked?

Link?

How much of the Mix can Renewables be?

Solving problems is the best way to make a profit. Is it better than solving problems that don’t exist?

www.usmessageboard.com

The post you replied to.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much of the Mix can Renewables be?

Solving problems is the best way to make a profit. Is it better than solving problems that don’t exist?

www.usmessageboard.com

The post you replied to.

Is it better than solving problems that don’t exist?

^
This question is different than.....

Built the question was which one is better at making money;

^
This question.

 

[ding]

Is it better than solving problems that don’t exist?

^
This question is different than.....

Built the question was which one is better at making money;

^
This question.

Only if you don’t equate making money with profits.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A study was conducted at six solar farms comparing the infrared radiation before and after PV cells were installed. The study found that infrared radiation was less after PV panels were installed. The study found that the incremental cooling occurred during daytime hours when the PV cells were generating electricity. The study found that nighttime temperatures were similar. The study concluded that the cause of the incrementally cooler daytime temperatures was because solar radiation was being converted into electricity.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...farm_deployment_on_surface_longwave_radiation

A different study modeled the potential climate impact of solar farms. Their model predicted a regional cooling effect should occur at solar farms. The authors of this study also concluded that any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation which cannot heat the surface of the planet.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283975603_Impact_of_solar_panels_on_global_climate

Did the study mention the much lower albedo of the PV panels?
Or the increase in infrared radiation where the electricity was used?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Only if you don’t equate making money with profits.

You said "better" and then you said "better at making money".

Starting your Friday drinking early today?

 

[ding]

Did the study mention the much lower albedo of the PV panels?
Or the increase in infrared radiation where the electricity was used?

A large portion of electricity usage is used to perform work and the amount of energy used to perform that work must be subtracted from the total and that only the friction created from doing that work created heat. Furthermore what heat that is created from electricity usage doesn’t heat the surface of the planet. It heats the surrounding air. And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do which strikes the surface of the planet. Waste heat from electricity usage radiates in all directions. So a good portion of that heat does not heat the surface of the planet.

And lastly even if waste heat from electricity usage heated the surface in exactly the same way as photons do that there would still be an incremental cooling effect because the waste heat is the same in both cases. Replacing fossil fuels with solar does not increase the amount of waste heat generated. But the generation of electricity effectively reduces the incoming solar radiation by converting photons into electricity that would have otherwise produced heat.

 

[ding]

You said "better" and then you said "better at making money".

Starting your Friday drinking early today?

It’s ok that you couldn’t answer the question. I forgive you.

 

[Woodznutz]

Long story short, turns out solar panels have grown so cheap that no distant generation makes economic sense. Produce electricity locally using rooftops and farms in need of shade. This is the future, like it or not. Cheap, simple, minimal maintenance, drag based windmills need to be reconsidered as well since winds often blow at night.

I like the vertical axis generators. They produce less electricity but are cheaper to build and last longer, and are not so imposing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A large portion of electricity usage is used to perform work and the amount of energy used to perform that work must be subtracted from the total and that only the friction created from doing that work created heat. Furthermore what heat that is created from electricity usage doesn’t heat the surface of the planet. It heats the surrounding air. And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do which strikes the surface of the planet. Waste heat from electricity usage radiates in all directions. So a good portion of that heat does not heat the surface of the planet.

And lastly even if waste heat from electricity usage heated the surface in exactly the same way as photons do that there would still be an incremental cooling effect because the waste heat is the same in both cases. Replacing fossil fuels with solar does not increase the amount of waste heat generated. But the generation of electricity effectively reduces the incoming solar radiation by converting photons into electricity that would have otherwise produced heat.

A large portion of electricity usage is used to perform work and the amount of energy used to perform that work must be subtracted from the total

How much? Link?

and that only the friction created from doing that work created heat.

Only? When you look at the work a Tesla does with a charged battery, how much results in heat?

And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do which strikes the surface of the planet.

Your study of the solar farms measured IR. That's heat that left the surface.
Like the waste heat from your solar sourced electricity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It’s ok that you couldn’t answer the question. I forgive you.

What do you need to know about your 2 totally different questions?

 

[ding]

A large portion of electricity usage is used to perform work and the amount of energy used to perform that work must be subtracted from the total

How much? Link?

and that only the friction created from doing that work created heat.

Only? When you look at the work a Tesla does with a charged battery, how much results in heat?

And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do which strikes the surface of the planet.

Your study of the solar farms measured IR. That's heat that left the surface.
Like the waste heat from your solar sourced electricity.

All electricity that is converted into kinetic energy and potential energy.