How Marxists got control of the Dems

[Dragon]

Democrats are clearly to the left of real Communists yet he insists that I'm a "liar" and his reason is that the Communists in Vietnam and China are no longer real Communists.

Exactly. And they are not. And you know they are not. Which makes your statement a lie.

Therefore, even though Democrats adhere to their failed economic model it is a "lie" for me to say that the Chinese and Vietnamese are really Communists.

Actually, the above contains THREE lies:

1) That Democrats adhere to Communism or ever have;
2) That the economic model Democrats do adhere to has "falied," and
3) That the Chinese and Vietnamese are Communists.

The American left is to the left of real Communists but the "lie" apparently is to refer to them as Communists.

Exactly. I'm not entirely sure I'd agree that the American left is to the left of the current Chinese policies, either, but certainly to call them "real Communists" is a lie.

How's this: the American left is economically to the left of the Vietnamese and Chinese who are Communists except in their new embrace of free markets and entrepreneurship?

That's the exact equivalent of saying that they are "Communists except that they are not Communists."

And you're still a liar.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"A rising tide lifts all boats" -- JFK. Economic Conservative, Supply sider

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On the basis of what I have found, the famous rising tide metaphor appeared in two Kennedy speeches, neither of which had anything to do with wealth or taxation. One was a speech on August 17, 1962, in Pueblo, Colorado, on the Fryingpan-Arkansas Project, a TVA-like federal public works program of dams, reservoirs, and power plants. Kennedy said:

he second speech was occasioned by a similar public works project--“Remarks in Heber Springs, Arkansas, at the Dedication of Greers Ferry Dam,” October 3, 1963:

These projects produce wealth, they bring industry, they bring jobs, and the wealth they bring wealth to other sections of the United States. This State had about 200,000 cars in 1929. It has a million cars now. They weren't built in this State. They were built in Detroit. As this State's income rises, so does the income of Michigan. As the income of Michigan rises, so does the income of the United States. A rising tide lifts all the boats and as Arkansas becomes more prosperous so does the United States and as this section declines so does the United States. So I regard this as an investment by the people of the United States in the United States.

It is richly ironic that both of these speeches celebrated the kind of governmental pump-priming that are anathema to supply-siders like Laffer, and that the context of the rising tide metaphor is more socialistic than capitalistic. So if these are in fact the only occasions on which Kennedy used the phrase, Laffer, along with countless other conservatives who equate it with enabling the rich to get richer, would seem to be egregiously dishonest in twisting it into a rationalization for the skyrocketing disparity between the wealthiest individuals and everyone else in America over the past three decades.

Or, in other words, they were lying. As are you.

Know what the biggest loss was for Progressives?

Your media monopoly. You were able to lie about the "Greatness" of FDR, McCarthy's "Red Scare" and a million other things large and small.

JFK cut taxes because he recognized, like the Communists in Vietnam, that a growing private sector is the best way to prosperous nation. You can try to rewrite and explain it away but at the end you look like a Decline Hiding ManMade Global Warming scientist who says that the world is so because he says so

 

[Dragon]

JFK cut taxes because he recognized, like the Communists in Vietnam, that a growing private sector is the best way to prosperous nation.

I just proved you wrong in claiming that JFK was an economic right-winger compared to today's Democrats; the opposite is true. You are also wrong in claiming that Vietnam today is run by Communists. About all you can really claim here is that Kennedy was not a Communist, which is of course true.

He was still an economic liberal. Which means that economic liberalism is not Communism. Which means that you are lying.

 

[jillian]

Poor Frankie.

 

[Toro]

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

At no time in history has the media been as concentrated and controlled by corporate interests.

And communists control the media?

 

[Toro]

Anyone want to remind him of the geographic and demographic makeup of the democratic party in 1963?

JFK advocated tax cuts, Obama advocated State control and redistribution.

We're you trying to underscore the OP? Thank you

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, cut payroll taxes, signed free trade agreements, and told you to buy stocks.

And he's a communist?

 

[AquaAthena]

In 1963 the Communists went on record as to how they were going to get control of the Democrat Party and its apparent they've succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. It's important we review their successful takeover, great victories are always worthy of study and praise.

They succeeded because they got control of how Democrats think of themselves. Their state goal was to get control of the schools and media. With that, they gradually were able to turn enough of the Dem Party away from basic idea of what it means to be an American and turn them into a Party of useful idiots who still don't realize what's happened to them

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

Now, of course, this will be greeted by ridicule, because a key component to the successful takeover is that the host does not realize it was invaded and abducted. "we're smart!" dems will respond, "not like every one says, like Communists!" and of course they will think they are "Interdependent thinkers" (who always think the EXACT SAME THINGS) and are "intellectuals" (have you see Rdean posts?)

The Democrat Party is in complete agreement that a centrally planned economy is the best way. This is in totally 100% disagreement with all evidence, but because they have been co-opted, they still do not see, cannot see how they are now economically to the left of genuine Communists who have rejected the failed redistribution model.

it happened in my lifetime and I was powerless to stop it.

So sad.

Maxine Waters Threatens to Socialize Big Oil - YouTube

Congressman John Dingell: Control The People - YouTube

Obama-Spread the wealth around - YouTube

Francis Fox Piven, for those unaware of her despicable background, was one of the authors of the "Cloward-Piven Strategy". Put simply, Piven helped create an architecture for collapsing capitalistic economic systems through the exploitation of their social welfare systems.

It is this strategy that many astute observers believe that Barack Obama is executing as he follows through on his promise to "fundamentally transform" America.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIaUFdbW8X4&feature=related]Frances Fox Piven: "We Got Obama - that's not bad at all" - YouTube[/ame]

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[Toro]

"A rising tide lifts all boats" -- JFK. Economic Conservative, Supply sider

If Obama said this, you'd call him a communist.

John F. Kennedy - The Presidency

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Anyone want to remind him of the geographic and demographic makeup of the democratic party in 1963?

JFK advocated tax cuts, Obama advocated State control and redistribution.

We're you trying to underscore the OP? Thank you

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, cut payroll taxes, signed free trade agreements, and told you to buy stocks.

And he's a communist?

In 2011, you can't campaign as a Communist in the USA, but you can as a Democrat. Pointing to the few areas where Obama does not appear to be a proponent of state controlled redistribution is falling for a head fake. He has control of the car companies, banks and financial institutions...is that Free Enterprise as you understand it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

SNIP

The real OP is how the termites got into CrusaderFrank's head.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Bin Laden dead.

Gaddafi dead.

The economy, roaring back.

Name calling is all you guys have left.

Obama will be re-elected.

The economy is not roaring back, more lefty delusional lies. Bin Laden is dead on standing orders from Bush, giving a fool like obamaturd credit for that is stupid. Qaddafi would have died with out obamaturds unconstitutional intervening anyway. You are lying not crusaderfrank.

21 straight months of private sector job growth.

Obama is the job creator.

Very small growth. If he really was the job creator jobs would grow at a faster rate.

 

[Dragon]

In 2011, you can't campaign as a Communist in the USA, but you can as a Democrat.

True, but the problem with campaigning as a Communist lies in the ideas, not just the name.

Pointing to the few areas where Obama does not appear to be a proponent of state controlled redistribution is falling for a head fake.

So is confusing "state-controlled redistribution" with Communism.

He has control of the car companies, banks and financial institutions...is that Free Enterprise as you understand it?

The point here is that it's not Communism as I understand it, nor as anyone understands it who has a clue what Communism really is.

What you're complaining about, in fact, is that Obama is not a purist devotee of laissez-faire capitalism. But since most Americans aren't, either, you're tying that in to Communism for purposes of guilt by association.

Or, in other words, lying.

 

[grunt11b]

Next you're going to give us the list of hyper christian right wing radicals that have hijacked your own party right?


No, you wouldn't do that. It wouldn't serve your purpose.

So you have no intellectual input on this subject then right?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Next you're going to give us the list of hyper christian right wing radicals that have hijacked your own party right?


No, you wouldn't do that. It wouldn't serve your purpose.

So you have no intellectual input on this subject then right?

You are projecting your own inner nuttiness, grunt11b, onto Photonic.

 

[Toro]

JFK advocated tax cuts, Obama advocated State control and redistribution.

We're you trying to underscore the OP? Thank you

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, cut payroll taxes, signed free trade agreements, and told you to buy stocks.

And he's a communist?

In 2011, you can't campaign as a Communist in the USA, but you can as a Democrat. Pointing to the few areas where Obama does not appear to be a proponent of state controlled redistribution is falling for a head fake. He has control of the car companies, banks and financial institutions...is that Free Enterprise as you understand it?

You mean selling the government's stock in GM, C and AIG back to the public?

Where in Das Kapital does it say that the government should sell its stock in publicly-traded companies back to the public?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In 2011, you can't campaign as a Communist in the USA, but you can as a Democrat.

True, but the problem with campaigning as a Communist lies in the ideas, not just the name.

Pointing to the few areas where Obama does not appear to be a proponent of state controlled redistribution is falling for a head fake.

So is confusing "state-controlled redistribution" with Communism.

He has control of the car companies, banks and financial institutions...is that Free Enterprise as you understand it?

The point here is that it's not Communism as I understand it, nor as anyone understands it who has a clue what Communism really is.

What you're complaining about, in fact, is that Obama is not a purist devotee of laissez-faire capitalism. But since most Americans aren't, either, you're tying that in to Communism for purposes of guilt by association.

Or, in other words, lying.

Form Over Substance Boy makes his reappearance!

Obama used government power to take property that properly belonged to the Senior Secured creditors of GM and Chrysler under hundreds of years of bankruptcy law and GAVE it to his Marxist brothers in the UAW...is that pure unadulterated Communist? Of course not! But that is State control of private enterprise. Benito and Adolf would be proud!

 

[Uncensored2008]

I hereby officially greet you with ridicule.

Dude, you're a Shitter. Ridicule by bums in back allies and by Shitters is something no rational person pays heed to.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A marxist is what a Republican calls someone who is smarter than they are.

Goddammit Chris, ONE LAST TIME.

You are a MORON - notice that MARXIST has an "X" in it?

Say it after me - MOR ON.

I knew you could...

In reality Obama is barely to the left of George Bush.

In reality, you have the IQ of a gnat.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, cut payroll taxes, signed free trade agreements, and told you to buy stocks.

And he's a communist?

In 2011, you can't campaign as a Communist in the USA, but you can as a Democrat. Pointing to the few areas where Obama does not appear to be a proponent of state controlled redistribution is falling for a head fake. He has control of the car companies, banks and financial institutions...is that Free Enterprise as you understand it?

You mean selling the government's stock in GM, C and AIG back to the public?

Where in Das Kapital does it say that the government should sell its stock in publicly-traded companies back to the public?

Again, your State Control Defense Reflex is fully functioning.

You can't win as a Communist in name in America... that's the point of the OP, they now function through their wholly owned Democrat Party subsidiary. If you check the homepage of the Communist Party USA its identical in substance with the Democrat Party. There's no real reason to have a Communist Party USA anymore since its goals have been subsumed by the Dems, it's there as another head fake

Can we get back the ownership that was given to the UAW? Can we get off the hook for the UAW pensions now?

 

[Toro]

In 2011, you can't campaign as a Communist in the USA, but you can as a Democrat. Pointing to the few areas where Obama does not appear to be a proponent of state controlled redistribution is falling for a head fake. He has control of the car companies, banks and financial institutions...is that Free Enterprise as you understand it?

You mean selling the government's stock in GM, C and AIG back to the public?

Where in Das Kapital does it say that the government should sell its stock in publicly-traded companies back to the public?

Again, your State Control Defense Reflex is fully functioning.

You can't win as a Communist in name in America... that's the point of the OP, they now function through their wholly owned Democrat Party subsidiary. If you check the homepage of the Communist Party USA its identical in substance with the Democrat Party. There's no real reason to have a Communist Party USA anymore since its goals have been subsumed by the Dems, it's there as another head fake

Can we get back the ownership that was given to the UAW? Can we get off the hook for the UAW pensions now?

Simply because you believe the government should be active in the economy does not make you a Marxist nor a communist. If it does, then every single country in the world is Marxist/Communist.

Marxists don't control the Democrat Party. Sorry.

Communists do not sign free trade agreements.
Communists do not extend tax cuts.
Communists do not sell stock back to the public.
Communists do not tell people that "it's a good time to buy stocks."

But conservatives who say that this is what communists do discredit themselves.