How long can/will the Democrats ignore/deny the data they know to be true?

[P@triot]

I've posted volumes of indisputable information on this in the past. In the 2010 mid-terms, America turned to conservatives to save them from the cliff that Obama was pushing us over.

Since that time, states which have implemented conservative policy (low taxes, free from union coercion, harvesting energy, etc.) are thriving while states utilizing the tired and failed socialist policies of the left continue to flounder.

California and New York have lost billions of tax dollars in residents and businesses fleeing their states. And here is yet another example of that...

Toyota move to Texas is latest blow to Southern California | Reuters

 

[P@triot]

The data is overwhelming...

Fifteen years' worth of data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that net adjusted gross incomes (net AGI) move from states that levy high income taxes to those with low or no income tax. Our analysis of more than 134 million individual taxpayer records revealed that, between 1995 and 2010, more than $2 trillion dollars moved between the states. Using this unimpeachable data, we can see – down to the county level – which areas are gaining wealth and residents, and which are losing them.

Successful people and businesses flee from states with harsh tax environments. They flock to states with benign, progrowth tax structures that allow them to save and invest. This is why a state like California, with its top income tax rate of 13.3 percent, saw a loss of more than $31.7 billion over 15 years. Texas, which taxes its residents at the very agreeable rate of zero, gained more than $22 billion over that same time period.

High Tax States Are Losing Taxpayers - US News

 

[Mr. H.]

Illinois is dying a slow and painful death for these very reasons.

To top it off, the state is effectively shutting down any hope of developing a play in the New Albany shale via high volume high pressure hydraulic fracturing.

 

[P@triot]

Illinois is dying a slow and painful death for these very reasons.

To top it off, the state is effectively shutting down any hope of developing a play in the New Albany shale via high volume high pressure hydraulic fracturing.

You can't help but laugh at the Democrats plan for America - cripple the nation by preventing all energy production, be completely reliant on foreign enemies for what little energy they will allow, tax job producers until they leave, regulate businesses out of business, and once you've decimated the economy to the point where there is nearly nothing left, spread that minuscule amount out among everyone. Brilliant...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrats want to turn the USA into Detroit

 

[edthecynic]

I've posted volumes of indisputable information on this in the past. In the 2010 mid-terms, America turned to conservatives to save them from the cliff that Obama was pushing us over.

Since that time, states which have implemented conservative policy (low taxes, free from union coercion, harvesting energy, etc.) are thriving while states utilizing the tired and failed socialist policies of the left continue to flounder.

California and New York have lost billions of tax dollars in residents and businesses fleeing their states. And here is yet another example of that...

Toyota move to Texas is latest blow to Southern California | Reuters

What a complete crock! Any time the Right says something is "indisputable" the exact opposite is true! According to studies of states that switched from Dem Governors to GOP and vice versa, the Liberal policies out performed the CON$.

Menzie Chinn looked at two states where, in 2011, a Republican governor replaced a Democratic one and ushered in a radical rightward shift in state policy (Wisconsin and Kansas), and compared them to two states that did the opposite in 2011, i.e. elected a Democratic governor to replace a Republican one (California and Minnesota). It's worth noting that, of the latter two, California saw the most significant shift in policy as a Democratic legislature combined with Gov. Jerry Brown to enact an even greater leftward shift starting in 2011 than Minnesota's Mark Dayton was able to accomplish with a legislature that remained Republican after he took office.

Surprise! 'Pro-business' policies hurt state economic growth*-*Los Angeles Times

"Kansas and Wisconsin, ranked 15th and 17th in terms of the ALEC-Laffer Economic Outlook Rankings, are doing equally badly relative to US employment growth. In contrast, Minnesota (ranked 46th) is outperforming the United States and those two states...What about California? It is ranked 47th by ALEC-Laffer, and yet is doing the best in terms of employment amongst the four states."...the most radical pro-ALEC governor is Walker, whose tax-cutting and anti-union zeal has propelled him into the race for the GOP Presidential nomination for 2016. His state's economic performance has been dismal, as ALEC's own figures show. Walker predicted that his policies would result in job growth of 250,000; so far he's fallen short by more than 94,000.

What's worst about these ALEC policies, Chinn reports, is that the relentless budget-cutting they require leave crucial state services, particularly education, gasping for breath. That's a formula for long-term decline, not growth.

Indeed, when Chinn mapped the ALEC rankings for all 50 states against their economic growth, he found that, if anything, a higher index score correlates with a worse economic performance. That won't come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the ALEC follies over time: The Iowa Policy Project found the same negative correlation in 2012.

Say this for the ALEC-Laffer Index: It's a consistently accurate predictor of economic growth, but in a bad way.

"Pro-business" states did worst in private nonfarm jobs growth, compared to those with "anti-business" policies (Menzie Chinn, University of Wisconsin)

 

[mudwhistle]

bullshit

 

[edthecynic]

I've posted volumes of indisputable information on this in the past. In the 2010 mid-terms, America turned to conservatives to save them from the cliff that Obama was pushing us over.

Since that time, states which have implemented conservative policy (low taxes, free from union coercion, harvesting energy, etc.) are thriving while states utilizing the tired and failed socialist policies of the left continue to flounder.

California and New York have lost billions of tax dollars in residents and businesses fleeing their states. And here is yet another example of that...

Toyota move to Texas is latest blow to Southern California | Reuters

What a complete crock! Any time the Right says something is "indisputable" the exact opposite is true! According to studies of states that switched from Dem Governors to GOP and vice versa, the Liberal policies out performed the CON$.

Menzie Chinn looked at two states where, in 2011, a Republican governor replaced a Democratic one and ushered in a radical rightward shift in state policy (Wisconsin and Kansas), and compared them to two states that did the opposite in 2011, i.e. elected a Democratic governor to replace a Republican one (California and Minnesota). It's worth noting that, of the latter two, California saw the most significant shift in policy as a Democratic legislature combined with Gov. Jerry Brown to enact an even greater leftward shift starting in 2011 than Minnesota's Mark Dayton was able to accomplish with a legislature that remained Republican after he took office.

Surprise! 'Pro-business' policies hurt state economic growth*-*Los Angeles Times

"Kansas and Wisconsin, ranked 15th and 17th in terms of the ALEC-Laffer Economic Outlook Rankings, are doing equally badly relative to US employment growth. In contrast, Minnesota (ranked 46th) is outperforming the United States and those two states...What about California? It is ranked 47th by ALEC-Laffer, and yet is doing the best in terms of employment amongst the four states."...the most radical pro-ALEC governor is Walker, whose tax-cutting and anti-union zeal has propelled him into the race for the GOP Presidential nomination for 2016. His state's economic performance has been dismal, as ALEC's own figures show. Walker predicted that his policies would result in job growth of 250,000; so far he's fallen short by more than 94,000.

What's worst about these ALEC policies, Chinn reports, is that the relentless budget-cutting they require leave crucial state services, particularly education, gasping for breath. That's a formula for long-term decline, not growth.

Indeed, when Chinn mapped the ALEC rankings for all 50 states against their economic growth, he found that, if anything, a higher index score correlates with a worse economic performance. That won't come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the ALEC follies over time: The Iowa Policy Project found the same negative correlation in 2012.

Say this for the ALEC-Laffer Index: It's a consistently accurate predictor of economic growth, but in a bad way.

"Pro-business" states did worst in private nonfarm jobs growth, compared to those with "anti-business" policies (Menzie Chinn, University of Wisconsin)

bullshit

Nope, that's the real data, the OP is bullshit.

 

[mudwhistle]

I've posted volumes of indisputable information on this in the past. In the 2010 mid-terms, America turned to conservatives to save them from the cliff that Obama was pushing us over.

Since that time, states which have implemented conservative policy (low taxes, free from union coercion, harvesting energy, etc.) are thriving while states utilizing the tired and failed socialist policies of the left continue to flounder.

California and New York have lost billions of tax dollars in residents and businesses fleeing their states. And here is yet another example of that...

Toyota move to Texas is latest blow to Southern California | Reuters

What a complete crock! Any time the Right says something is "indisputable" the exact opposite is true! According to studies of states that switched from Dem Governors to GOP and vice versa, the Liberal policies out performed the CON$.

Menzie Chinn looked at two states where, in 2011, a Republican governor replaced a Democratic one and ushered in a radical rightward shift in state policy (Wisconsin and Kansas), and compared them to two states that did the opposite in 2011, i.e. elected a Democratic governor to replace a Republican one (California and Minnesota). It's worth noting that, of the latter two, California saw the most significant shift in policy as a Democratic legislature combined with Gov. Jerry Brown to enact an even greater leftward shift starting in 2011 than Minnesota's Mark Dayton was able to accomplish with a legislature that remained Republican after he took office.

Surprise! 'Pro-business' policies hurt state economic growth*-*Los Angeles Times

"Kansas and Wisconsin, ranked 15th and 17th in terms of the ALEC-Laffer Economic Outlook Rankings, are doing equally badly relative to US employment growth. In contrast, Minnesota (ranked 46th) is outperforming the United States and those two states...What about California? It is ranked 47th by ALEC-Laffer, and yet is doing the best in terms of employment amongst the four states."...the most radical pro-ALEC governor is Walker, whose tax-cutting and anti-union zeal has propelled him into the race for the GOP Presidential nomination for 2016. His state's economic performance has been dismal, as ALEC's own figures show. Walker predicted that his policies would result in job growth of 250,000; so far he's fallen short by more than 94,000.

What's worst about these ALEC policies, Chinn reports, is that the relentless budget-cutting they require leave crucial state services, particularly education, gasping for breath. That's a formula for long-term decline, not growth.

Indeed, when Chinn mapped the ALEC rankings for all 50 states against their economic growth, he found that, if anything, a higher index score correlates with a worse economic performance. That won't come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the ALEC follies over time: The Iowa Policy Project found the same negative correlation in 2012.

Say this for the ALEC-Laffer Index: It's a consistently accurate predictor of economic growth, but in a bad way.

"Pro-business" states did worst in private nonfarm jobs growth, compared to those with "anti-business" policies (Menzie Chinn, University of Wisconsin)

bullshit

Nope, that's the real data, the OP is bullshit.

Only an idiot believes that communist propaganda.

Consider the source of your link story:

In 2006, Hiltzik was suspended without pay from the LA Times for sockpuppeting on his blog "The Golden State". Hiltzik admitted to posting under false names on multiple sites, using the pseudonym "Mikekoshi" to criticize Hugh Hewitt and L.A. prosecutor Patrick Frey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hiltzik

 

[edthecynic]

What a complete crock! Any time the Right says something is "indisputable" the exact opposite is true! According to studies of states that switched from Dem Governors to GOP and vice versa, the Liberal policies out performed the CON$.

Menzie Chinn looked at two states where, in 2011, a Republican governor replaced a Democratic one and ushered in a radical rightward shift in state policy (Wisconsin and Kansas), and compared them to two states that did the opposite in 2011, i.e. elected a Democratic governor to replace a Republican one (California and Minnesota). It's worth noting that, of the latter two, California saw the most significant shift in policy as a Democratic legislature combined with Gov. Jerry Brown to enact an even greater leftward shift starting in 2011 than Minnesota's Mark Dayton was able to accomplish with a legislature that remained Republican after he took office.

Surprise! 'Pro-business' policies hurt state economic growth*-*Los Angeles Times

"Kansas and Wisconsin, ranked 15th and 17th in terms of the ALEC-Laffer Economic Outlook Rankings, are doing equally badly relative to US employment growth. In contrast, Minnesota (ranked 46th) is outperforming the United States and those two states...What about California? It is ranked 47th by ALEC-Laffer, and yet is doing the best in terms of employment amongst the four states."...the most radical pro-ALEC governor is Walker, whose tax-cutting and anti-union zeal has propelled him into the race for the GOP Presidential nomination for 2016. His state's economic performance has been dismal, as ALEC's own figures show. Walker predicted that his policies would result in job growth of 250,000; so far he's fallen short by more than 94,000.

What's worst about these ALEC policies, Chinn reports, is that the relentless budget-cutting they require leave crucial state services, particularly education, gasping for breath. That's a formula for long-term decline, not growth.

Indeed, when Chinn mapped the ALEC rankings for all 50 states against their economic growth, he found that, if anything, a higher index score correlates with a worse economic performance. That won't come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the ALEC follies over time: The Iowa Policy Project found the same negative correlation in 2012.

Say this for the ALEC-Laffer Index: It's a consistently accurate predictor of economic growth, but in a bad way.

"Pro-business" states did worst in private nonfarm jobs growth, compared to those with "anti-business" policies (Menzie Chinn, University of Wisconsin)

bullshit

Nope, that's the real data, the OP is bullshit.

Only an idiot believes that communist propaganda.

It is real data, not your CON$ervoFascist propaganda.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nope, that's the real data, the OP is bullshit.

Only an idiot believes that communist propaganda.

It is real data, not your CON$ervoFascist propaganda.

Yeah.....a guy that uses socks to **** with people's minds online is not exactly an honest person.

 

[edthecynic]

Only an idiot believes that communist propaganda.

It is real data, not your CON$ervoFascist propaganda.

Yeah.....a guy that uses socks to **** with people's minds online is not exactly an honest person.

What the **** are you babbling about?

 

[mudwhistle]

It is real data, not your CON$ervoFascist propaganda.

Yeah.....a guy that uses socks to **** with people's minds online is not exactly an honest person.

What the **** are you babbling about?

Look up asshole.

I posted the wikilink......

 

[edthecynic]

Yeah.....a guy that uses socks to **** with people's minds online is not exactly an honest person.

What the **** are you babbling about?

Look up asshole.

I posted the wikilink......

The study is by Menzie Chinn.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I've posted volumes of indisputable information on this in the past. In the 2010 mid-terms, America turned to conservatives to save them from the cliff that Obama was pushing us over.

Since that time, states which have implemented conservative policy (low taxes, free from union coercion, harvesting energy, etc.) are thriving while states utilizing the tired and failed socialist policies of the left continue to flounder.

California and New York have lost billions of tax dollars in residents and businesses fleeing their states. And here is yet another example of that...

Toyota move to Texas is latest blow to Southern California | Reuters

Cat toy lacks any understanding of the economic history of the US. California does not wish to be Texas, the US does not wish to be Texas, but many of the places you like are happy to be large states with lots of undocumented workers, low wages, low taxes, low graduation rates, and no unions. To a capitalist, see Toyota, those are all pretty good things if your desire is to keep wages and costs down. That works for some, mainly the capitalists, but it's not good for the country as a whole, which is why it isn't happening in most places. California has no desire to become like Texas, for very good reasons. You don't get that but most do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How long can/will the Democrats ignore/deny the data they know to be true?

Rott either can't analyze or simply fabricates.

The culture is changing; it won't go backwards. Only forwards.

If the GOP does not want to go the way of the Whigs and the Federalists, or as the TPM as a flash in the pan go the way of the Know Nothings, it must reach out to women, Hispanics, and other minorities in a meaningful, honest manner.

The Rotts are the past with no future.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

How long can/will the Democrats ignore/deny the data they know to be true?

Rott either can't analyze or simply fabricates.

The culture is changing; it won't go backwards. Only forwards.

If the GOP does not want to go the way of the Whigs and the Federalists, or as the TPM as a flash in the pan go the way of the Know Nothings, it must reach out to women, Hispanics, and other minorities in a meaningful, honest manner.

The Rotts are the past with no future.

Cat toy wants to live in 1950. It's no surprise that he "thinks" that way.

 

[mudwhistle]

How long can/will the Democrats ignore/deny the data they know to be true?

Rott either can't analyze or simply fabricates.

The culture is changing; it won't go backwards. Only forwards.

If the GOP does not want to go the way of the Whigs and the Federalists, or as the TPM as a flash in the pan go the way of the Know Nothings, it must reach out to women, Hispanics, and other minorities in a meaningful, honest manner.

The Rotts are the past with no future.

Actually the abrupt change is going to cause a backlash you're not going to be happy with.

You want this country to become a cesspool. I don't think anyone here wants to live in that.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I've posted volumes of indisputable information...

Actually not.

You’ve only posted ignorant partisan nonsense and stupidity.

You’re a tedious rightwing partisan hack, you and your inane threads are completely devoid of any credibility.

 

[OKTexas]

The data is overwhelming...

Fifteen years' worth of data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that net adjusted gross incomes (net AGI) move from states that levy high income taxes to those with low or no income tax. Our analysis of more than 134 million individual taxpayer records revealed that, between 1995 and 2010, more than $2 trillion dollars moved between the states. Using this unimpeachable data, we can see – down to the county level – which areas are gaining wealth and residents, and which are losing them.

Successful people and businesses flee from states with harsh tax environments. They flock to states with benign, progrowth tax structures that allow them to save and invest. This is why a state like California, with its top income tax rate of 13.3 percent, saw a loss of more than $31.7 billion over 15 years. Texas, which taxes its residents at the very agreeable rate of zero, gained more than $22 billion over that same time period.

High Tax States Are Losing Taxpayers - US News

Now that's redistribution I can live with.