How long before we get negative interest rates, hyper inflation, and a total economic collapse?

[pknopp]

..they are giving BILLIONS to foreign countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...total idiocy -----during the pandemic and when we are in debt!!!! the Capitol NEEDS to be invaded and every politician hit in the head with a frying pan
.....it's like putting your hand in the fire---over and over ---and then jumping in

ALL of the foreign intervention needs to stop.

 

[Siberian]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

As the overall markets slow thing like oil will increase because investors know people have little choice but accept the higher costs.

it is never a reason, in energy demand is not elastic, i. e. consumption does not depend on prices much. you buy gas whatever a price..

I tend to think money emission contribution in CPI has finally become visible, and will keep growing

Of course it isn't a good reason but it happens. Oil should return to the way it worked for decades where we had stable prices. Only end users get to bid on oil. There is no reason to allow Hedge Funds to bid up something like oil.

oil and other raw material are artificially kept low, when we approach hyperinflation they will be the first to explode

 

[Siberian]

..they are giving BILLIONS to foreign countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...total idiocy -----during the pandemic and when we are in debt!!!! the Capitol NEEDS to be invaded and every politician hit in the head with a frying pan
.....it's like putting your hand in the fire---over and over ---and then jumping in

US is robbing other countries much more.
if the US gives anything at all, it's mostly cents compared to trillions pumped out of other countrirs.

starting with printing money, which is a way to rob all holders of Dollars since dollars they have depreciate...

 

[harmonica]

..they are giving BILLIONS to foreign countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...total idiocy -----during the pandemic and when we are in debt!!!! the Capitol NEEDS to be invaded and every politician hit in the head with a frying pan
.....it's like putting your hand in the fire---over and over ---and then jumping in

US is robbing other countries much more.
if the US gives anything at all, it's mostly cents compared to trillions pumped out of other countrirs.

starting with printing money, which is a way to rob all holders of Dollars since dollars they have depreciate...

hahhahahahhahahahahahahah
1. we take in hundreds of THOUSANDS of immigrants/illegals/workers/etc--per YEAR!!!!
2. we help more than any other country in natural disasters including BILLION $ carriers/etc
3. many illegals/immigrants send $$$$ BACK to their home countries
4. you are full of shit
we just gave BILLIONS $$ for Covid to other countries !!!!
5. Americans give to charities and their personal time to foreign countries
6. etc

Billions in foreign aid, pet projects stuffed into COVID relief bill

Uncle Sam is about to play Santa for America — and the world. Congress passed a $2.3 trillion COVID-19 relief and government funding bill that gives just $600 to most Americans strugglin…

nypost.com

 

[colfax_m]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

 

[Mac1958]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

 

[Siberian]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

no, you view at it in incorrect way.

what we have now in the World is a giant crisis of overproduction, since public demand since Reagan was artificially supported and expanded with credit expansion, and credit expansion supported with money emission.

at some point you cannot expand your debt any more because increasing interests paid on your debt take increasing part of your income, decreasing your consumption


i. e. at some point your growing debt stops increasing your consumption and starts decreasing it. so, cknsumption shrinks, extra supply aka extra production must get bankrupt.

overproduction - > deflation.

severe overproduction - > severe deflation.

Deflation is so severe that even billions of dollars can only compensate fall of prices, creating minimal inflation in consumer goods.

While in stocks, housing, education, healthcare inflation is growing fast.

look at stock exchange indicies, production falls, stocks prices double.

it is hyperinflation as it is.

if you have stocks and still keep them - you are unlikely go get your money out of them.
when everybody rush into a narrow door stock market will halve st least...

 

[Siberian]

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

S&P , you are welcome

 

[Mac1958]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

S&P , you are welcome

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

2 yrs ago a 4x8x7/16 OSB was 8 bucks now they are over 30,, a 2x4 stud was under 3 now hey are almost 10 bucks,,,

across the board all basic construction materials have done more than doubled and some by 4,,,

I could go on all day,,,

 

[Siberian]

stocks prices hyperinflate

 

[Mac1958]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

2 yrs ago a 4x8x7/16 OSB was 8 bucks now they are over 30,, a 2x4 stud was under 3 now hey are almost 10 bucks,,,

across the board all basic construction materials have done more than doubled and some by 4,,,

I could go on all day,,,

Construction materials are one thing, and are associated with supply and demand brought on by the strong spike in real estate over the last several years.

Overall, inflation has remained quite tame.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

2 yrs ago a 4x8x7/16 OSB was 8 bucks now they are over 30,, a 2x4 stud was under 3 now hey are almost 10 bucks,,,

across the board all basic construction materials have done more than doubled and some by 4,,,

I could go on all day,,,

Construction materials are one thing, and are associated with supply and demand brought on by the strong spike in real estate over the last several years.

Overall, inflation has remained quite tame.

dont even get me started on food and medical costs,,

 

[Siberian]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

2 yrs ago a 4x8x7/16 OSB was 8 bucks now they are over 30,, a 2x4 stud was under 3 now hey are almost 10 bucks,,,

across the board all basic construction materials have done more than doubled and some by 4,,,

I could go on all day,,,

Construction materials are one thing, and are associated with supply and demand brought on by the strong spike in real estate over the last several years.

Overall, inflation has remained quite tame.

real estate does not hyperinflate, yet, but is one of sectors where inflation is high.
in consumer goods prices don't grow much because our Chinese comrades supply you with goods almost for free..

 

[Siberian]

Well, if we listen to conservatives, we should see hyperinflation right around 2010.

Precisely. Inflation was supposed to explode due to the Fed intervention to bail us out of the Meltdown. And it didn't happen.

We don't know for sure. People can make all the ignorant prognostications they want -- that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

inflation in consumer goods did not explode because due to carantine and big increase in unemployment public demand collapsed, causing deflation.

but in stocks there is massive inflation.

in housing, health care, education - there is big inflation.
real estate prices started growing all over the World, people feel inflation coming and transfer savings into something material

and soon or even now raw materials started to groe, look at oil..

We just finished nearly a decade of large federal deficits, quantitative easing and declining unemployment.

Inflation was minimal.

At some point, you need to reconsider your assumptions of how the economy works. This ain’t Weimar.

how is inflation minimal when most prices have gone up 50% and some have almost doubled???

OH wait,,never mind I forgot who I was talking too,,,

Most prices?

List a few for us, please.

2 yrs ago a 4x8x7/16 OSB was 8 bucks now they are over 30,, a 2x4 stud was under 3 now hey are almost 10 bucks,,,

across the board all basic construction materials have done more than doubled and some by 4,,,

I could go on all day,,,

Construction materials are one thing, and are associated with supply and demand brought on by the strong spike in real estate over the last several years.

Overall, inflation has remained quite tame.

real estate does not hyperinflate, yet, but is one of sectors where inflation is high.
in consumer goods prices don't grow much because our Chinese comrades supply you with goods almost for free..

 

[ReinyDays]

We bailed out our economy in 2009 and emerged with an economy dependent of these bail-outs ... no surprise here in 2020 we need to bail-out our economy again ... and again we'll emerge with an economy dependent of more bail-outs ... the next recession will push our national debt over $50 trillion ... this is unsustainable ...

The 2009 Recession would have been worse except for "giving" BankAmerica $5 trillion ... but BankAmerica would have emerged from backruptcy and the economy we would have gotten would be more robust ... business practices that failed in 2009 would not have failed as often in 2020 ...

The simple solution is to end the bail-outs, let the economy crash-and-burn to remove all the useless stuff ... the problem is that those who are required to initiate this are the very ones who have the most to profit by continuing the bail-outs ... Congress ...

Those who complain about foreign aid should be ashamed of themselves ... that amount pales compared to the graft and bribes paid in Washington DC ... talk about "pence wise and pound foolish" ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

you don't have 10 years.

Quanitative easing is at an all time high. (Libs, if you dont know what that is, ask a conservative friend) The M1 money supply curve looks like the face of El Capitan. We are spending and spending. (Yes, Trump spent too....I get it...he should have vetoed every budget.)

I think we have at most 10 years......AT THE CURRENT PACE.

We can change things...but we likely will not.

My guess is the Fed is trying to devalue the dollar to make our debt worthless. If the dollar has no value...our 30 trillion dollar debt has no value to our lenders.

I don't think you have 10 years.
China will overcome the US as the biggest World economy in 5-7 years, I think by that time Dollar will not be the World trade currency... It is going to introduce digital Yuan soon, as well the US ran out of options trying to subdue Russia, the only 2 options left - military conflict, which will destroy World finances and Dollar in the course, or exlusion of Russia from World finances, which will effecfively establish Rouble-nominated oil trade and destroy Petrodollar again...

I think 5 years at most, if you are extremely lucky.
More likely a couple of years...

I think by that time Dollar will not be the World trade currency... It is going to introduce digital Yuan soon

But who wants to hold the Yuan or the Ruble or the Peso as their reserve currency?

as well the US ran out of options trying to subdue Russia

Why do we need to subdue them, they do that to themselves just fine.

establish Rouble-nominated oil trade

No one who has a choice wants to hold their crappy currency.

 

[Utilitarian]

My Conservative friends tell me that Q.E. is a great thing.

They must be neoconservatives (or more accurately, neoliberals).

Could you show where "conservatives" said a word here the last four years?

That would take some searching on my part, but I've only started being active here again for a few weeks. I was active for a few months in 2011 and early 2012, but there's a long period of which I haven't been here. Maybe the conservatives here haven't talked about it, but plenty of them I know in real life have.

 

[Utilitarian]

My Conservative friends tell me that Q.E. is a great thing.

They must be neoconservatives (or more accurately, neoliberals).

Could you show where "conservatives" said a word here the last four years?

They were just fine with just everything.

Quantitative easing was certainly something that politicians of both parties were fine with, but a lot of the public on either side wasn't ok with it.

Many liberals and conservatives recognized it as corporate welfare.