How is Jesus the Messiah?

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the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

The book of Isaiah is WHERE they get the details for their messiah... He didnt fulfill them.

If you didn't get the idea that Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecy's from an atheist website, were did you get this belief from?

Which prophecies did he not fulfill?

What prophecies did he fulfill?

I'm not the OP that says he didn't.

I'm actually proving a different point right now.

 

[Indeependent]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

I would say he is being remarkably respectful.

Objective...TN is reading the actual words, not seeing what he wants to see.

We must have different standards of what objective means. Objective means to look at both sides without bias. Have you ever heard TN say anything positive about Christianity? I haven't. It's ax grinding against the dominant religion. Nothing new there. Been going on for centuries. Especially by socialists. I'm not saying TN or you are one of them, but you sure do make it easy for them.

TN is reading what's written, not what he wants to see.
Ergo, TN is being objective.

 

[Indeependent]

the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

The book of Isaiah is WHERE they get the details for their messiah... He didnt fulfill them.

If you didn't get the idea that Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecy's from an atheist website, were did you get this belief from?

Which prophecies did he not fulfill?

What prophecies did he fulfill?

I'm not the OP that says he didn't.

I'm actually proving a different point right now.

You're not proving any point because the world's been a mess since Yeshua walked the earth.
Any other claim is intellectually dishonest.

 

[ding]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

You are sitting there saying Jews have it wrong. That is WHERE you guys came up with Jesus being the messiah you big fucking hack!

Interesting. You, a person who believed they both got it wrong claiming that me thinking Jews got it wrong is a bad thing.

But yes, I think I made it pretty clear in a recent post to Indeependent that I believe that what they thought they were waiting for wasn't what they were waiting for and it probably needed to happen that way. Honest men can have honest differences of opinion.

But you seeing me as a hack doesn't register.

 

[ding]

the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

The book of Isaiah is WHERE they get the details for their messiah... He didnt fulfill them.

If you didn't get the idea that Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecy's from an atheist website, were did you get this belief from?

Which prophecies did he not fulfill?

What prophecies did he fulfill?

I'm not the OP that says he didn't.

I'm actually proving a different point right now.

You're not proving any point because the world's been a mess since Yeshua walked the earth.
Any other claim is intellectually dishonest.

Intellectually dishonest? It is a fundamental belief of my worldview. Read my signature line.

It is well documented throughout history. Socialism has always and will always subordinate religion. How can you not know this?

 

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I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

I would say he is being remarkably respectful.

Objective...TN is reading the actual words, not seeing what he wants to see.

We must have different standards of what objective means. Objective means to look at both sides without bias. Have you ever heard TN say anything positive about Christianity? I haven't. It's ax grinding against the dominant religion. Nothing new there. Been going on for centuries. Especially by socialists. I'm not saying TN or you are one of them, but you sure do make it easy for them.

TN is reading what's written, not what he wants to see.
Ergo, TN is being objective.

You already said that. Should I repeat my response to it too? C'mon, man.

Believe whatever you want. I know better.

 

[ding]

the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

The book of Isaiah is WHERE they get the details for their messiah... He didnt fulfill them.

If you didn't get the idea that Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecy's from an atheist website, were did you get this belief from?

Which prophecies did he not fulfill?

What prophecies did he fulfill?

I'm not the OP that says he didn't.

I'm actually proving a different point right now.

...the world's been a mess since Yeshua walked the earth...

It is my uninformed ignorant as shit Christian belief that we are rebels. Jesus defeated death, he didn't fix man. We are still broken.

TN thinks it's all shit.

 

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God in the flesh defies what a human actually is, doesnt it?

Actually, it defies what God is.
God is not at all understandable.
We can only attempt to grasp at what God means by His manifestations.

TN doesn't believe in God so it is natural that he wouldn't believe God could be in flesh.

You yourself say God is not understandable so you would be foolish to say anything good would be beyond his ability.

 

[ding]

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

He fulfilled the first...”King David”. A

Could you explain, using human logic, how he fulfilled it?

Can you explain how he didn't? The OP has yet to do so.

He doesn't know the first thing about this.

 

[Indeependent]

God in the flesh defies what a human actually is, doesnt it?

Actually, it defies what God is.
God is not at all understandable.
We can only attempt to grasp at what God means by His manifestations.

TN doesn't believe in God so it is natural that he wouldn't believe God could be in flesh.

You yourself say God is not understandable so you would be foolish to say anything good would be beyond his ability.

TN read the verses that supposedly describe why Christians believe Jesus was the messiah.
His reaction to those verses is appropriate.
Either Jesus fulfilled the prophecies (He didn't) or He didn't.

 

[ding]

God in the flesh defies what a human actually is, doesnt it?

Actually, it defies what God is.
God is not at all understandable.
We can only attempt to grasp at what God means by His manifestations.

TN doesn't believe in God so it is natural that he wouldn't believe God could be in flesh.

You yourself say God is not understandable so you would be foolish to say anything good would be beyond his ability.

TN read the verses that supposedly describe why Christians believe Jesus was the messiah.
His reaction to those verses is appropriate.
Either Jesus fulfilled the prophecies (He didn't) or He didn't.

And that was just as fascinating as the other 89 times you told me that.

So far, no one has actually even attempted to make that case.

The OP certainly doesn't make it. It doesn't even try.

 

[Indeependent]

God in the flesh defies what a human actually is, doesnt it?

Actually, it defies what God is.
God is not at all understandable.
We can only attempt to grasp at what God means by His manifestations.

TN doesn't believe in God so it is natural that he wouldn't believe God could be in flesh.

You yourself say God is not understandable so you would be foolish to say anything good would be beyond his ability.

TN read the verses that supposedly describe why Christians believe Jesus was the messiah.
His reaction to those verses is appropriate.
Either Jesus fulfilled the prophecies (He didn't) or He didn't.

And that was just as fascinating as the other 89 times you told me that.

So far, no one has actually even attempted to make that case.

The OP certainly doesn't make it. It doesn't even try.

According to the NT, man has zero free will.
So how did Jesus fail when man has zero free will?
I'm sorry, my friend, the Church never made sense and never will.

 

[ding]

God in the flesh defies what a human actually is, doesnt it?

Actually, it defies what God is.
God is not at all understandable.
We can only attempt to grasp at what God means by His manifestations.

TN doesn't believe in God so it is natural that he wouldn't believe God could be in flesh.

You yourself say God is not understandable so you would be foolish to say anything good would be beyond his ability.

TN read the verses that supposedly describe why Christians believe Jesus was the messiah.
His reaction to those verses is appropriate.
Either Jesus fulfilled the prophecies (He didn't) or He didn't.

And that was just as fascinating as the other 89 times you told me that.

So far, no one has actually even attempted to make that case.

The OP certainly doesn't make it. It doesn't even try.

According to the NT, man has zero free will.
So how did Jesus fail when man has zero free will?
I'm sorry, my friend, the Church never made sense and never will.

Why do you, a Jew, believe the NT, which is a Christian religious text, say that "according to the NT, man has zero free will?"

Because I don't know any Christian who believes that the NT tells them that they have no free will.

 

[admonit]

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

He fulfilled the first...”King David”. A

Could you explain, using human logic, how he fulfilled it?

Can you explain how he didn't? The OP has yet to do so.

Yes, I can. According to the Gospels Jesus had no human father. It means that king David is not his ancestor.

 

[admonit]

Hebrew words and grammar haven’t changed.

Biblical Hebrew and modern Hebrew are not identical.

 

[ding]

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

He fulfilled the first...”King David”. A

Could you explain, using human logic, how he fulfilled it?

Can you explain how he didn't? The OP has yet to do so.

Yes, I can. According to the Gospels Jesus had no human father. It means that king David is not his ancestor.

Except that King Davis is his ancestor through his mother Mary.

Next.

 

[TNHarley]

IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?

Jesus plainly admitted He was King of the Jews. You really need to read the New Testament.

Tn is better with audio books or lots of pictures....

The irony of this post is, he didnt admit it

 

[TNHarley]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

I would say he is being remarkably respectful.

Objective...TN is reading the actual words, not seeing what he wants to see.

We must have different standards of what objective means. Objective means to look at both sides without bias. Have you ever heard TN say anything positive about Christianity? I haven't. It's ax grinding against the dominant religion. Nothing new there. Been going on for centuries. Especially by socialists. I'm not saying TN or you are one of them, but you sure do make it easy for them.

I think the Christian Faith helps some people overcome voids in their lives. Which is a good thing. Of course, every religion does that. But still.
Its better than opium or sucking a different dick every night

 

[TNHarley]

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

I would say he is being remarkably respectful.

Objective...TN is reading the actual words, not seeing what he wants to see.

We must have different standards of what objective means. Objective means to look at both sides without bias. Have you ever heard TN say anything positive about Christianity? I haven't. It's ax grinding against the dominant religion. Nothing new there. Been going on for centuries. Especially by socialists. I'm not saying TN or you are one of them, but you sure do make it easy for them.

TN is reading what's written, not what he wants to see.
Ergo, TN is being objective.

im a militant atheist because i read stuff and dont imagine things that arent there

 

[TNHarley]

God in the flesh defies what a human actually is, doesnt it?

Actually, it defies what God is.
God is not at all understandable.
We can only attempt to grasp at what God means by His manifestations.

TN doesn't believe in God so it is natural that he wouldn't believe God could be in flesh.

You yourself say God is not understandable so you would be foolish to say anything good would be beyond his ability.

TN read the verses that supposedly describe why Christians believe Jesus was the messiah.
His reaction to those verses is appropriate.
Either Jesus fulfilled the prophecies (He didn't) or He didn't.

And that was just as fascinating as the other 89 times you told me that.

So far, no one has actually even attempted to make that case.

The OP certainly doesn't make it. It doesn't even try.

Do we need to discuss what the bible says? Do you not read your own holy book?
I know you have. If you were honest, you wouldnt even need me to make the case.